How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

Joe West

I suspect you are choosing to sacrifice freedom for safety... something I'm not willing to do.

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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....ract_id=1090441

There are 59 nations for which data about per capita gun ownership are available. This Working Paper examines the relationship between gun density and several measures of freedom and prosperity: the Freedom House ratings of political rights and civil liberty, the Transparency International Perceived Corruption Index, the World Bank Purchasing Power Parity ratings, and the Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom. The data suggest that the relationships between gun ownership rates and these other measures are complex. The data show that (although exceptions can be found) the nations with the highest rates of gun ownerhsip tend to have greater political and civil freedom, greater economic freedom and prosperity, and much less corruption than other nations. The relationship only exists in for high-ownership countries. Countries with medium rates of gun density generally scored no better or worse than countries with the lowest levels of gun rates.

Jeff Vader

You know. I am so happy to live in a country where I have the constipational right to bare arms. With todays crime and the cost of my bike, I think I am going down to the K-Mart tomorrow and buying a shotgun to carry with me. Anybody have any recommendations on the one I should buy. I've never owned a gun and don't know much about them. Any ultra light shotguns available?

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RedRider2009

Are you sure you mean constipational? If you want to use methane to defend yourself go for it...

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Joe West

From Mossberg's webpage:

"A Mossberg 500 cycle-pro fits perfectly on most road bikes over 50cm and available in carbon fiber with ultra lightweight stock and pistol grip for close range encounters. At a mere 423g, the Mossberg 500 cycle-pro is sure to enhance your bicycling safety with a style and flair all its own. NOTE: The Mossberg 500 cycle-pro is not available in California or in the District of Columbia"

Joe

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artemidorus

Quick, we need a technician! We've had another irony radar failure!
(The 534th amendment is the right to freedom from ability to detect all kinds of irony. Mr Vader is waiving his rights under that amendment).

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mitosis

I haven't read who wrote the report but i suspect he had sympathy for the usa. When it comes to corruption the usa wrote the book and the citizens of the us only think they have freedom because that is the propaganda they are fed. Can you really think the us is free when a significant number of the population feel the need to carry a gun?

cbjesseeNH

Typical...

1. Anti-gun proponent makes an unsupported statment
2. Pro-gun proponent counters with peer-reviewed, published studies and statistics
3. Anti-gun proponent doesn't look at the study/data, dismissing it as biased and unreliable
4. Anti-gun proponent insults pro-gun proponent, all pro-gun proponents, their whole city/state/country.
5. Anti-gun proponent figures they won the debate.

Biker Joe

Joe West

It is very nice to have our US Supreme Court solidify the beliefs of many Americans and Constitutional scholars; that the right to keep and bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL right.

Now comes the gleeful task of overturning all the states (and DC) laws that limit our individual rights!

Today is a monumental day for American freedom!!!



Joe

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kdelong

The Supreme Court finally got one right!

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CAMPYBOB

Hooray for Heller! But...FOUR of the damned libtard justices need to go back for remedial constitutional law 101.

"The right of the people shall NOT be infringed."!!!!

I'm halfway thru the 157-page .PDF file that is the majority opinion handed down by SCOTUS. It's well worth wading thru.

Not only did Heller go our way...as our Founding Fathers would have had it!, but also we Ohioans got an additional bonus:

This and OH Castle in the same month!


http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=DC_v._Heller


Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.


The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks.

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.




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SB184 Analysis: Significant practical improvements for ALL Ohioans


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• Submitted by jirvine on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 14:40. Ohio Legislation

By Jim Irvine
What changes will SB184 make to Ohio law? How do they apply to the average hunter, target shooter, and concealed carry license holder?
The Act does not go into effect for three months after it is signed into law (the Governor's office has the signing scheduled for Tuesday, June 10th), but we have received many requests for a list of what this bill does. To that end, here is a summary of the changes in SB184.
For all law-abiding citizens (Not just gun owners)

• <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Castle Doctrine: If someone breaks into your occupied home or temporary habitation, or your occupied car, you have an initial presumption that you may act in self defense. The prosecutors may overcome this presumption if illegal activity was happening or other extenuating circumstances, such as a husband and wife domestic violence situation. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Civil Immunity: Crime victims will be immune from civil actions from their attackers and their families for actions that cause a criminal to be harmed or killed. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Previously, it was up to YOU, AT YOUR EXPENSE AND UNDER THREAT OF IMPRISONMENT, (and sometimes while actually imprisoned) to prove you were acting in self-defense. Now, when the Act becomes law, and as long as there are not any extenuating circumstances, the case ENDS and the healing begins. No hauling off to jail. No worries about criminal trial and the whims of a jury. No civil suit from the bad guy�s family. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Duty to Retreat: A person who is lawfully in their residence or vehicle has no "duty to retreat" before using force in self-defense or defense of another.
• PROBLEM SOLVED: Previously in a motor vehicle, the actor, not the prosecutor, at the actor�s own jeopardy and expense, had the burden of proof to establish that they COULD NOT run away.

For all gun owners:

• <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Definition of a "loaded" gun. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">SB184 will eliminate all the vague "ready at hand" language that has been bastardized in our courts and provide a simple way you can be sure you can legally transport your firearm. Simply put, the gun must be unloaded. An unloaded gun has no bullet in the chamber or cylinder. You may not have any loaded speed loaders or magazines for the gun in question anywhere in the motor vehicle. There are no longer any rules about where the gun or the ammo must be, or their relation to each other. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Court rules there is no legal transportation of an unloaded handgun in Ohio!! <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Section 2923.16 will be the only section controlling firearms transported in cars. Restrictions in other sections will apply outside of vehicles. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Woman convicted for having an unloaded handgun in a case in her own car!! <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Carrying concealed weapons in one's own home will not require a concealed handgun license (CHL). <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Man convicted for having a concealed handgun in his own home!! <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">If a gun is seized and later ordered to be returned to the owner, and the police refuse to return the property and legal action is successful in getting property returned, it is mandatory that legal fees be reimbursed.
• PROBLEM SOLVED: Damon Wells wants his gun - and his life - back and CHL-holder "wins case" against Toledo police, gets his gun back and Judge Junkin reverses; returns illegally confiscated gun to CHL-holder

Concealed Handgun License (CHL) changes:

• <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">A CHL holder will be permitted to carry in a government owned building that is not a government facility where business is generally conducted. A CHL will be able to posses firearms in government owned parking garages, rest areas, and shelters. Carry in a BMV is prohibited. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: State-mandated victim zones: College student gang-raped and ODOT's "no-guns" signs in PARKING LOT at rest stop where rape occurred and Woman Reports Rape At I-77 Rest Stop <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">The criminal penalty for a CHL carrying in a "no guns" parking lot is eliminated. The property owner retains a cause for an action for civil trespass. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM ADDRESSED: Police: Woman Raped In Downtown Parking Garage and Defenseless Toledo "mall employee raped twice in 4-hour ordeal" and Thief cuts man, 79, during assault in hospital garage <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">A CHL holder will be permitted to pick-up/ drop-off a child in a the designated area of a school safety zone. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Ohio License Holders Helplessly Confused by Contradictory School Safety Zone Statute!! <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">A CHL holder will be permitted to carry in retail facilities that sell alcohol for consumption off premises. (Giant Eagle, Wal-Mart, carry-out) as long as the license holder is not consuming alcohol and is not under the influence of alcohol or drugs. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Ohio License Holders Helplessly Confused by Liquor Premises Statute!! Even Division of Liquor Control Declines to Express Opinion! <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">The holder of a liquor permit for consumption on premises who has a CHL will be permitted to carry in his/her own establishment, and will be permitted to hire police to provide security, including inside the liquor establishment. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Disarmed CHL-holder & security watched helplessly as people died <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">Sealed and expunged records will no longer be disqualifying offenses and will not preclude persons from obtaining an Ohio CHL. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM SOLVED: Zanesville man denied CHL over beer theft as teenager <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">If a person fails to notify a police officer that they are armed during an official stop, and the license holder can prove that the officer had information that he was a CHL, the penalty will be reduced. NOTE: It is still required to notify police that you are armed and this change does NOT change or reduce your obligation to inform law enforcement when you are armed. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 17px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">PROBLEM ADDRESSED: Failure to Inform: CHL-holders taking a big risk on Ohio roadways <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">A CHL holder will be permitted to have a loaded handgun in an unlocked glove compartment and a center console in an automobile. <LI style="MARGIN: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px">A landlord may not evict a tenant for owning a lawful firearm or possessing a concealed carry license.
• The requirement for a written test during the re-qualification process is eliminated. A practical test is still required.

We will do a more detailed analysis on parts of the bill and illustrate how Buckeye Firearms Association with your support worked to educate the legislature about problems and provide workable solutions that have been enacted. As important as this bill is, we want you to understand the process too. Our laws are still not perfect, and the better Ohio gun owners understand the process, the quicker we can address problems in the future.
Thanks for being a part of our team.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled whining of the libtard wastes of oxygen.

An unarmed man is a subject.
An armed man is a citizen!

Jeff Vader

Can anybody show me one case where Scalia found that the constitution actually granted a civil right? What a great man to realize that the only right the framers wanted us citizens to have is the right to carry a gun. Yes. Scalia is a genius whose decisions are not in any way tainted by his own political beliefs.

Has anybody here ever read the text of the second amendment? What the heck does the "well regulated militia" part mean. Does that mean the state governments get to control the militia and can regulate guns? No way. It must mean, as Scalia says, that the private militia in this great country are supposed to be "well trained." Just like the Michigan Militia. He is a genius. I would never have equated "well regulated" with "well trained." Thank god we have smart thinkers like him.

Can't wait till he cracks down on those married homos in California.

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Joe West

Hi Jeff,

I'm guessing by your response below that you completely disagree with the Supreme Court ruling. I'm not sure what relevance California's gay marriage laws has to this discussion, and I am sure that your question regarding who has actually read the second amendment is rhetorical... what isn't clear to me is what your point is.

To answer your first question below... take a look at our first amendment... one might easily conclude that our first amendment (Freedom of speech just in case you aren't familiar with it) is very closely linked to our second amendment (freedom to keep and bear arms).

I'm not sure if you have read the entire opinion of the court (all 157 pages) but I have. If you read it, I think you'll find that the majority opinion by Scalia is incredibly well layed out and extremely logical, while the minority opinion is a weak hodge-podge of misinformation with little substantive basis.

Do me a favor if you wish to continue this discussion... please read the entire opinion of the court (I'll send it to you if you shoot me an email to joew@diveaz.com) and then come back and ask questions. I'd be willing to bet that we could have a somewhat lively debate on the specifics.

Kind Regards,

Joe

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