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03-05.-2008, 10:37 AM

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Wainwright had some work to do.

Running up the white flag?

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05-05.-2008, 06:44 AM

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Running up the white flag?

If you consider holding a hundred thousand of the Japanese armed forces' finest occupied from March 12 to May 6 with an underequipped and starving force a case of "running up the white flag".

BTW General Blamey attacked Buna with the U.S. 32nd division, which was green rather than yellow. Allied intel expected 1200 malarial convalescents to be defending it. They also expected no fortification. They found half a division of Japan's finest troops who had managed to build highly effective bunkers despite the swampy ground.

After the 32nd was repulsed, Douglas Macarthur replaced many of its commanders. They went on to take Buna and then to serve in front line combat longer than any other US infantry division.

I must say, for a nechaevist, you seem to be unclear on the concept of class warfare. They're not talking about the kind of class that would prevent one from spouting off ignorant insults in lieu of something to say, and you're not engaging in class warfare by trying to lure your opponent in a race for the bottom.

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05-05.-2008, 06:57 AM

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While not the most effective tank buster in the sky (the Colt gun frankly sucked), the Aircobra was used in many roles, as can be expected of a desperate user.

From troop straffing runs to air cover/force protection to soft target penetration to recon, the Iron Dog served the commies well.

"Any port in time of storm!" At least the P-39 enabled the Russians to avoid taking the proverbial knife to a gunfight.

Fighter groups armed with the P-39, both Soviet and otherwise, actually held their own against the latest German fighters of the time provided the fighting was at low to medium altitude.

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05-05.-2008, 10:37 AM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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Why were they underequipped and starving?
That was surely Macarthur's responsibility.
BTW, US forces outnumbered the Japanese.

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05-05.-2008, 11:13 AM

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Why were they underequipped and starving?
That was surely Macarthur's responsibility.
BTW, US forces outnumbered the Japanese.

They actually didn't. Like it or not, the Philippines were moving toward independence and did not have a large enough economy to provide for a top notch military, but only if you count the Philippine Army did the combined allied forces outnumber the Japanese.

Our navy had suffered a bit of a setback and was unable to adequately defend a resupply effort or an evacuation when the end was near, especially since the ships would have been within reach of land planes from Formosa as well as the Imperial Navy.

You may not be aware of this, but in 1942 our nation was still severely economically depressed and many of the voters and their representatives had strong isolationist and pacifist feelings. Our military ranked something like 20th in the world in terms of size and the pre-Pearl Harbor army budget was, I think, smaller than Romania's.

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06-05.-2008, 10:49 AM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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And who was the Commander-in Chief of the Philippine Army?
The $500,000 "gift" that Macarthur took with him may have gone some way to supplying the troops.

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06-05.-2008, 12:39 PM	#2422
garage sale GT Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,092	Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment? How was he supposed to redress the fact that there wasn't enough time or money to prepare, besides working without pay? __________________ Your mouthwash ain't makin' it.

06-05.-2008, 05:50 PM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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Originally Posted by Irish Indurain

AHH terrorists!!!! Protect your Country by carrying firearms during your leisure activities!! Help win the war on terror! Turn your road bike into a mobile field unit. Your country needs you!

Seriously though, its sad to think that some people cant go out on a leisurely cycle without carrying a live, and potentially lethal firearm. Its a shame to see america becoming so paranoid about homeland security. When i cycle its an opportunity to forget everything and just push myself to my limits, placing all my concentration on each stroke.
I could never feel comfortable carrying a gun on a cycle. But i live in a different cuclture i suppose..

The quick answer is "No".
My cycling equipment consists of -
1 spare inner tube.
2 tire levers, also known as tyre levers.
A chain breaker tool - Never used since I broke a chain seven years ago, when I didn't carry one.
An Allen key set thingy.
A long pump.
That's about it really, if you don't count food and drinks.
I did carry a knife once, but a spoon was better for eating tinned rice puddings.

07-05.-2008, 07:20 AM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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I completely agree. I have never carried a firearm with me when I was riding, but I also beleive that any responsible person who feels the need to carry one should be allowed to carry one within the limits of the law, of course. Now anyone in the US who does not like the current situation needs to work to change the law and the way that it is enforced. For those who reside outside of the US, it is interesting to hear your opinons but you appear to have wildly skewed views of our situation here. The US is not a large lawless land. It is very peaceful here and most people don't feel that they have a need for a firearm and the majority of the population does not own firearms. You only hear about shootings because it is news. The news media does not report that "no one got shot today" because this is not news, it is the norm.

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07-05.-2008, 09:43 AM

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Oops, I had it wrong. Roosevelt signed an order in July of 1941 which made the PA a part of the US armed forces. Our efforts from July until December simply weren't enough, but it was still a tall order. Plus, we had previous lend-lease commitments, which was one of the reasons the war department gave Macarthur for why he couldn't get all the supplies he asked for.

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16-05.-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cbjesseeNH

About guns and government control

By Chuck Brooks

Courier Mail http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23515915-5007146,00.html#

April 10, 2008 09:50am

JUST as the sign of the cross tends to discombobulate vampires, stopping them in their tracks, equivalent creatures – such as the hysterically paranoid, anti-personal-responsibility fraternity – go completely apoplectic and phobic at the sight of an autonomous citizen armed with the "great equaliser"of a firearm.

This hysteria has been reawakened in many with the recent death of Charlton Heston. Much has been made of his affiliation with the National Rifle Association, muddying the memory of a man who was a great actor and activist.

"Kill the gun culture", scream the historically ignorant. Our political betters have signed on for the responsibility of "taking care " of us and all they ask in return is that we surrender the devices they seek to employ unilaterally – and that we are loyal to whatever they want to do with our lives, fortunes and sacred honour. But have you observed, that when danger threatens you and your family, the police are always someplace else?

The Gauleiters of the superstate may not like it, but the absolute right of the individual citizen to protect himself, his family and the wider community is not obviated by the absence of the constabulary.

In Shane, arguably the greatest western film, Alan Ladd pointed out to Jean Arthur that: "A gun is a tool, no better and no worse than an axe or any other tool; a gun is as good as the man using it."

Today it is considered too dangerous for most citizens to own a gun, but it is apparently viewed as not too dangerous to release child molesters, rapists and murderers into the community.

After a recent child murder in California, we were informed 400,000 perverts are listed on a government "sex register" in that state alone.

Closer to home, much has been made recently of the release of sex offenders into the community. It is not too difficult to imagine state governments releasing funnel-web spiders and crocodiles into cities, while whispering sweet nothings into our ears that there is nothing to worry about – because each creature is on a register somewhere.

People acquire firearms for the same reason they have created a growing industry of private security and alarm systems. Government is quite simply not performing its primary function of protecting life, liberty and property.

Some examples here in Australia:

An elderly woman is murdered by an illegal immigrant – smothered to death with a pillow. An old Digger is murdered by a 14-year-old youth recently escaped from a government "secure" facility. The murder weapon: a knife. A baby is snatched from the bedroom of her deaf parents by a man with a bus ticket in his hand provided by a government department. That ticket was to allow the disadvantaged youth to visit his family and was given to him by the same type of bureaucrats who have been given responsibility for "controlling" firearms – which are permitted to farmers to control pests, but absolutely denied for personal protection in Australia.

So we must consider the manifest failure of government departments and the prison system to protect victims.

Governments and police regulate those who might legally possess firearms more than they act to prevent guns ending up in the hands of violent criminals. It's easier. Governments can't stop violence, so they go after those who can. To be seen to be doing something they have decided to beat up on inanimate objects; disarming the honest and the brave while doing little against the criminals and crazies. What a primitive mindset; a bit like blaming the pot for burning the beans.

Hopefully you are only visiting Autralia from your native usa.

16-05.-2008, 02:27 PM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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I never argue with an idiot. However, I do want to make a statement that no one I know of has so far suggested arming schoolchildren. If you cannot accept that remark, be advised I intend to ignore you rather than argue.

so it's not an absolute human right to be armed then? Why exclude school children?

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16-05.-2008, 05:17 PM

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I still won't argue with you but I want to remind you that nowhere did anyone advocate giving law abiding citizens the right to run rampage with their guns, restrained only by their conscience. In addition to the fact that a law abiding citizen is by definition more responsible and law abiding than a criminal, there are civil and criminal penalties for the use of excessive force.

I'd just like to know why some of you seem to want to protect the criminals to the point of criminalizing self-defense, while assuming that a non-criminal would, in the words of Stevebaby, kill someone for breaking a few windows. That a gun owner would go to jail for doing so is beside the point at hand.

I don't want to protect criminals. I want them in jail not armed to the teeth and having shootouts with 'law-abiding citizens' who are also armed to the teeth. That doesn't make anyone safer otherwise the USA would be the safest country in the world along with Somalia and Iraq. I want to be able to ride my bike without wondering which piece I need to pack from the gun locker before I leave. That seems to happen in many countries without protecting criminals.

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16-05.-2008, 10:12 PM	#2429
hammex Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment? I think that gun manufacture world wide would go down significantly if one of the biggest "legal" mkts disappreared if the US banned handguns...just a thought. The gun maker has to sell it legally to someone, before it gets inot the "wrong" hands. I love the yank attitude: "you gotta have a gun...in case someone with a gun attacks you..." Hilarious.

17-05.-2008, 06:48 AM

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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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I think that gun manufacture world wide would go down significantly if one of the biggest "legal" mkts disappreared if the US banned handguns...just a thought. The gun maker has to sell it legally to someone, before it gets inot the "wrong" hands.

I love the yank attitude: "you gotta have a gun...in case someone with a gun attacks you..." Hilarious.

Hammex, having a gun saved my life and the lives of my family. It is not so hilarious and actually makes sense when you are in this situation. I know it is an old, tired saying, but it is true that if guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns. Give it some more thought.

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