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How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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Old 12-04.-2008, 11:11 AM   #2386
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I ride the rail trail here for exercise and have been thinking about carrying one of my smaller guns. I"ve had a carry permit for years, but never gave carrying a gun while biking a thought till recently due to the rising crime rate and the proximity of parts of the trail to the city. Its a real sad state of affairs when you need to be armed during a bike ride.
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Old 12-04.-2008, 11:38 AM   #2387
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When does Giro come out with their version of those helmets? Not so aero but with a cape and one of those helmets I'd be stylin'.
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When does Giro come out with their version of those helmets? Not so aero but with a cape and one of those helmets I'd be stylin'.
PM Bro and we will rustle up an original Bersaglieri helmet and cape for ya'. No need to wait for the new-fangled made in China stuff. Get the original stuff!
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Old 29-04.-2008, 02:39 PM   #2389
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France...Slovenia...

We always have to ask...which part of Europe are you from?

The part whose ass we saved?

Or the part whose ass we kicked?

Twice!
In WW1 an Australian General(John Monash) commanded two divisions of US troops.
He did not have a very high opinion of them.
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Old 29-04.-2008, 02:47 PM   #2390
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[b]The French




America did nothing .

Period.

Belleau Wood.(a very,very minor action)




Blahblahblah.
The American troops who were under the Australian General Blamey's command in New Guinea were YELLER!
Blamey told MacArthur not to send him any more American troops if they weren't prepared to fight.
Against the Japanese,it was the Chinese and Indian armies who bore the brunt of the fighting...and the losses.Take a look at a map of Asia sometime. All the yanks ever did was capture a fey coral atolls and their own colony of the Philippines (naturally,with Australian assistance).
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Old 29-04.-2008, 03:56 PM   #2391
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Gosh SB, I'm using the same data source you recommended on this thread in an earlier post, although now updated to include 2005 data.

http://aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2006/index.html

(p25) "The trend in assaults shows an average growth of 6% each year between 1995 and 2005. This is three times the annual growth of the Australian population over the same period."

(p29) "Reported sexual assaults have increased by an average 4% each year since 1995."

It seems that 61% of robberies and 69% of both assaults and attempted break-ins went unreported to police in 2005 (p48) compared to 47%, 62% and 63%, respectively, the prior year http://aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/index.html

Why the drop in reporting?

(p85) "The percentage of prisoners sentenced for violent offences increased from 38% in 1986 to 47% in 1995 and has continued to remain steady since then."

So, since the latest round of gun laws were enacted, rates of violent crime have been on the increase but rates of jailing violent criminals have remained constant.

Perhaps, as violent crime continues to increase steadily, year-after-year, since 1995, the failure to lock-up violent criminals has left people despondent, considering the arrest & prosecutorial system without effect?

Theft and such appears to have dropped over recent years, but it would seem curious that laws enacted since Port Arthur, meant to address mass shootings, had secondary effects of reducing theft but increasing violent crime.

... and Christopher Lockwood, the US Editor of the Economist quoted above - is he lying too about increased violent crime in the UK?


gee, we were burgled a few months ago whilst we were at the beach. The burglar just happened to be walking by and saw us all get into the car. I suppose if we had all climbed into an Abrams tank whilst armed to the teeth with automatic weapons and grenade launchers, he may have been deterred, but I can't see how taking a gun to the beach or even going to the beach whilst leaving our guns at home would have deterred the robbery.

I think that you have to be careful to differentiate between association and causation when you selectively quote statistics about a culture that you know little about. The Government that changed the gun laws in Australia has also been responsible for 'social' policies that have widened the gap between the haves and have-nots, emphasised materialism and consumption of consumer goods as a core Australian value, fostered racism, fear, hatred and envy for electoral advantage, and contributed to the social environment that only fuels poverty and disadvantage and crime. One 'solution' to this is to arm ourselves to the teeth to repel the enemy (our neighbours and fellow citizens) and enjoy our lifestyle inside our armed bunkers, the other was to vote the slimy little turd out of office - this is the path that we took, thank goodness we have compulsory voting here. Of course a change of government is not a panacea for social ills, and anti-social behaviour is just a part of human nature so it will always be with us, but when you choose a solution that means that you can't even go for a bike ride in parts of the country without taking a weapon with you, then something is really seriously amiss. Have you travelled?
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Old 30-04.-2008, 03:48 AM   #2392
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A handful of young thugs walked into a school in Sydney the other day wielding bats and machettes. They smashed some windows and broke some furniture. Noone was seriously injured and the thugs were apprehended and charged.

Imagine the carnage if one of them or one of the students or teachers was carrying a gun.
I'm imagining what might have happened if a victim was armed - what might be called "carnage" in Australia would be called "just self defense" in the US.
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I think that you have to be careful to differentiate between association and causation when you selectively quote statistics about a culture that you know little about.
I assume you make the same criticism of AUS/UK posters who venture an opinion on how we choose to exercise our freedom, liberty and rights in the US - or are they all qualified experts and those of us from the US not?

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thank goodness we have compulsory voting here.
A major example of the cultural gap, which is much wider than we are apart on the globe. In the US, voting is considered a personal freedom or libertry that one could not be compulsorily forced to exercise by the government. If it were, it would be considered government encroachment on personal freedom.
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He did not have a very high opinion of them.

His opinion matters only slightly less than yours.
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Old 30-04.-2008, 07:27 AM   #2395
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PM Bro and we will rustle up an original Bersaglieri helmet and cape for ya'. No need to wait for the new-fangled made in China stuff. Get the original stuff!
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Old 30-04.-2008, 07:35 AM   #2396
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[QUOTE=mitosis]A handful of young thugs walked into a school in Sydney the other day wielding bats and machettes. They smashed some windows and broke some furniture. Noone was seriously injured and the thugs were apprehended and charged.
Imagine the carnage if one of them or one of the students or teachers was carrying a gun.[/QUOTE]That's right. It's well known a gun would have affected a teacher's brain, causing them to want to murder every one of them even if they dropped their weapons. We can't let common folk defend themselves; they're not responsible enough. They are bloodthirsty to boot. Also, there surely wouldn't be any scrutiny after the fact but if there were, the witnesses i.e. schoolchildren, would surely lie to the police to protect the teachers if the teachers used excessive force.

Most self-defense incidents involving firearms end without a shot being fired. Do you really think the thugs would have had the discipline to continue their attack if a teacher pulled out a gun?

Would you really kill someone if you could just save your own life until the police arrived?
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Thank you garage sale GT and Campy Bob! You have saved me a lot of keyboarding!
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Blamey told MacArthur not to send him any more American troops if they weren't prepared to fight.

To be fair, the Australian and British leaders in the Pacific theatre hated MacArthur to a man. He had a Julius Caesar personality. It's quite possible that Blamey's digs at MacArthur didn't have much to do with the qualities of the American troops that he was sent. It's also possible that the American officers didn't like being ordered around by a "British" general, which is how they would have regarded Blamey.
American troops did not have a reputation for ineptness anywhere else.
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I'm imagining what might have happened if a victim was armed - what might be called "carnage" in Australia would be called "just self defense" in the US.
You want to kill a 15 year old kid for breaking a few windows?
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To be fair, the Australian and British leaders in the Pacific theatre hated MacArthur to a man. He had a Julius Caesar personality. It's quite possible that Blamey's digs at MacArthur didn't have much to do with the qualities of the American troops that he was sent. It's also possible that the American officers didn't like being ordered around by a "British" general, which is how they would have regarded Blamey.
American troops did not have a reputation for ineptness anywhere else.
The American troops didn't care much for him either, after he ran out on them in the Philippines.
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