Who one the 1st president debate?

davidmc

Does this mean Cheney will be the only 1, left, believing this "fairytale"?

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davidmc

Any questions should be directed to the thread:
George Bush: Former Drunkard, Cocaine-user, War-dodger becomes War President

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

limerickman

You have to be smart to be a good liar and - if proof were ever needed - Rumsfeld certainly isn't smart.

Rumsfeld comments about there being no evidence to link Al Qaeda to Iraq
typifies the double standard, lying, duplicitious, putrid, and incompetent
Bush administration.

Do the right thing on November 2nd - consign this useless, lying goverment to the bin of history.

davidmc

I've already planned it out, i'm going to tell all the pollsters, i see, that "I'm here to vote for the "combat war vetreran".

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

limerickman

Pray tell us - what subliminal message do you think Kerry was making, ifhe did use the expression, Treblinka ?

DOC69

There's a difference here. A reasonable person could accept mis-using Triblenka with Luyankaya as a mistake, a verbal flub. However, could you really call Dubya's claims that "SH was a collaborator with the 9/11 attackers and Iraq has WMD that can attack us in 45 minutes" a verbal flub? No! Those were flat-out LIES, propogated again and again by the Bush Administration. You say something like that and you better bet those words will be taken at face value.

Of course, this all hinges on someone being a "reasonable person," something idealogues around here are not prone to being!

davidmc

True, caught w/ thier hand in the "cookie (oil)jar". The only thing is, the war is detracting from thier nonexistent domestic agenda. This will be covered in one of the next debates. I suspect it will be a K.O., as the last debate turned out to be. Makes me want to feel sorry for Shrub-not !!! I don't believe Dubya will have a chance, in this next one, because it's on substance; something this admin. is bereft of.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

limerickman

So what subliminal message do you think Kerry was allegedly trying to convey
when he used the expression Treblinka ?

lokstah

It's a funny question, but if he's lying about the visit, there will be better evidence for that than his use of the word "Treblinka" in a debate. Who knows? Maybe it is a tall tale, which will be uncovered at some point. Maybe he didn't make it to the basement; he just hung out in the lobby.

As far as reading differently into mistakes made by each man -- well, of course we do that. We've each got preconceptions of these guys, and those naturally involve biases. In matters of astrophysics, I hold a bias towards the brains and credibility of Stephen Hawking over my Uncle Peter as well. If both Hawking and Peter made the same flubs in a series of chatty dinner parties, I'd be inclined to give Hawking the benefit of the doubt -- but my uncle would simply look stupid.

That's how it goes. I personally believe Kerry is a more articulate, more knowledgable, more thoughtful and altogether brighter man than Bush, so like anyone else, I'd read differently into Kerry referencing Treblinka than Bush commenting on "hard work" 12 times in 30 minutes. Human nature, my friend.

limerickman

Indeed.

I don't mean this as an insult to you but I find it incomphrehensible that someone would make a point about a mispronounciation of the name of a square in Moscow - and completely ignore the fact that a goverment lied and
lied utterly about the biggest foreign affairs decision for at least two generations.
If this subject wasn;t so serious, it would be comical.

The liar throughout Iraq - has been Bush.
The decision to go to war - was Bush's.
The fact of the matter is that neither Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Albright or Jack Shit made the decision to go to war, Bush did.
And responsibility for the decision resides with Bush and Bush alone - as far as
this election goes.

As they say "you're rearranging the deckchairs, as the Titanic sinks".

stephbc

I think a lot of people will gravitate toward "their" candidate, but I have to say that a lot of the people who were "on the fence" before would agree that Kerry was better prepared, more professional and a heckuva lot better at stating what he came there to state. Bush fumbled around, got stuck and did a few too many blank stares to impress anyone but his die-hard followers.

Aside from that, I found Bush's demeanor and his facial expressions often to be condescending and arrogant.