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22-09.-2004, 09:22 AM

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Jakebrake

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

Okay, i know, its democracy, but i am from the UK and i am praying the G. Dubyah Bush does not get back into office. The current elections in the US and the subsequent 'winner' has an effect over the entire world. Because Bush won last time, my country (UK) went to war. Some of my friends went to fight in a war that had nothing to do with them, my govt spent millions on the war effort and our boys are dying all the time in a foriegn land in a foreign war that has nothing to do with us.

If Bush gets in will our boys be forced into Korea or Iran.

I would like a say in order to keep this baffoon out of politics, never mind the Presidents chair.

I love the american people...but for the love of God, think what your actions are leading to.

On a serious note, when people such as the US president (or anyone who weilds such power) are up for election. The world should be able to vote if the person insists upon such an aggressive international policy. Its plain dictatorship Jim, but not as we know it.

It would be fine if the man kept his affairs inside the US but that is rarely the case. He thinks and acts as if he is president of the world.

No need to sound so discouraged. I would hazzard a guess that thousands of illegal aliens vote in our elections. Hell, dead people vote here, so anything is possible. I'm sure there is some Democrat hack abroad who would only be delighted to register you so you could cast an absentee ballot.

22-09.-2004, 09:58 AM

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lokstah

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by Jakebrake

I'm sure there is some Democrat hack abroad who would only be delighted to register you so you could cast an absentee ballot.

It's software, actually. If you can't find DemDonkey 2.4, no worries; CrusdaderHack v.2004, the GOP favored version, is already in wide distribution.

22-09.-2004, 10:18 AM

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Jakebrake

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by lokstah

It's software, actually. If you can't find DemDonkey 2.4, no worries; CrusdaderHack v.2004, the GOP favored version, is already in wide distribution.

Yes, if MountainPro had mentioned that he was eager to see President Bush re-elected instead of stating his preference for the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee I would have suggested where to locate the nearest Republican plodder in order to receive his ballot.

22-09.-2004, 02:18 PM

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lokstah

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by Jakebrake

I'll find the DemDonkey and CrusaderHack download links and post them, shortly. They're both based in New Mexico, oddly enough.

22-09.-2004, 04:45 PM	#20
jmat Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8	Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections? “its democracy” Correction: The United States is a constitutional republic with strong democratic values. We were originally formed as a union of states with a common Constitution that provides certain protections against government encroachment into our lives. It provided a very limited (read: not powerful) federal Congress that dealt with interstate commerce and state disputes. Eventually, after the union won the civil war, all the democrats (old) were banned/kicked from office and republicans from the North entered the South, and with the aid of the Union army’s occupation, ruled the South. This is where our strong federal system comes from. It was at this time that the social contract previously between the citizenry and states was more or less changed to a federal government / citizenry relationship. In this sense we moved closer to a direct democracy. However, states still remain as managers of local and regional affairs with the permission and money of the federal government. So, technically, there is a social contract between the citizens* of the United States of America and the government (that is the politicians and civil servants that are entrusted with serving the citizenry). Moreover, in more practical terms, US citizens pay taxes, constitute the government and civil service apparatus, receive all services rendered by the government, and are therefore directly affected by the functioning of the said government. It’s the citizenry’s money in effect, and the citizenry’s rights at stake – not those of people from different parts of the world that are not citizens. Clearly, the United States projects power through military force, political establishment, and financial dealings throughout the world so as to maximize the benefit to its citizens (those who it is compelled by ‘contract’ to serve). This is the aim of all nation-states. To maximize self-interest. In the case of a democracy of some sort (like our representative democracy), the government seeks to maximize the interest of the government and the citizenry. However, in other states (specifically communist dictatorships, various totalitarian dictatorships etc) the states serve the political class or ruling elite. So, in summation, those who vote for the President of the United States (or any Congressional / local government position, mayor whatever) must be citizens of that region so as to assure sovereignty and the rule of the people (*that is, not the rule of those outside the political entity). It is self-determination, you have to right to vote here because you do not live here, you do not pay taxes here, you did not grow up here, your children will not grow up here and you will not have any conception of what is truly best for the citizenry of this nation! You may seek to redress any grievances you have with your own government (provided it is democratic in nature) , or if it is despotic, overthrow the government and then have your grievances heard. It is up to your nation to safeguard and project its own self-interest. And it is only through the advantage (mutual or otherwise) that other nations may seek to work in concert with you and in achieving your goals. (note: this applies mostly to trade, projection of military power, protection of natural recourses, ideological similarities etc etc) So vote in your own goddamn country!

22-09.-2004, 07:35 PM

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by Weisse Luft

If you want to vote, BECOME A CITIZEN.

Life is hard. Life is harder when you are dumb. With these sage words of Marion Morrison (John Wayne), you should be able to find a way out of fighting for some country you know nothing about.

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Then I suggest you either become a citizen or run for office...

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

How does it feel to want things?

You wanna vote in the U.S. elections, move here and become a citizen. Otherwise, forget it.

Matt

IT WAS A JOKE!...lighten up...the US election is a gawd awful situation

okay, i'm maybe just a little bit serious.

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22-09.-2004, 08:14 PM

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wanderer390000

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

What about england, look at what they did all over the world

,england lost any say in what USA did when they kicked your ass out of there. what if they wanted to vote for your PM. you would be the first one complaneing .if it was not for USA you would be under nazi control or japan. wake up some time to get freedom you have to figth. i am australian and i can't waite untill we are a republic

or may be you would be more happy living under muslim law let hope for you sisters and daughers sake you don't have a vote in england

22-09.-2004, 08:50 PM

#23

MountainPro

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by wanderer390000

What about england, look at what they did all over the world

or may be you would be more happy living under muslim law let hope for you sisters and daughers sake you don't have a vote in england

what utter shite..

very few aussies want to be a replublic, they love us and wouldnt survive without us. You're in for a long wait my friend.

PS. quick geography lesson...England is not Scotland. Perhaps you are referring to the British Empire, its very hard to tell.

22-09.-2004, 09:20 PM

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wanderer390000

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

Yeah i was talking about the British Empire, as for loving you yeah rigth we would be one now only most of us wanted to vote for our leader like the USA
Scotland was just another county you took over, along with lots of others

i see you did not say a WORD about the USA coming to your defenve in the second world war????? are you ashameeeeeeeee

GOD BLESS USA

22-09.-2004, 10:28 PM

#25

MountainPro

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by wanderer390000

Scotland was just another county you took over, along with lots of others

no, seriously though, you really really need to go back to school.

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Originally Posted by wanderer390000

i see you did not say a WORD about the USA coming to your defenve in the second world war????? are you ashameeeeeeeee

GOD BLESS USA

No, I am not ashameeeee, I dont think anyone in Great Britian can be ashamed of thier contribution in WW1 and WW2.

what point are you trying to make?

23-09.-2004, 01:49 AM

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lokstah

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

what point are you trying to make?

Enjoying your taste of noisy American nationalism? I think you've gravely insulted the less rational conservatives in our midst. This guy'll calm down once he's barked enough about freedom.

23-09.-2004, 02:20 AM

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lokstah

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by zapper

Turn your speaker volume down if you don't like it...

If I simply couldn't stand the lowest caliber conservatives (not reasonably thought-capable blokes like you and Jake, of course), I wouldn't hang out here. I'm sure the same goes for you and wildman libs, no?

23-09.-2004, 02:27 AM

#29

cheapie

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Re: Why should only Americans vote in the US Elections?

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

no, seriously though, you really really need to go back to school.

No, I am not ashameeeee, I dont think anyone in Great Britian can be ashamed of thier contribution in WW1 and WW2.

what point are you trying to make?

i think he's confusing you with france

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