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Old 25-12.-2004, 01:17 AM   #586
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Touching on the topic, but also very interesting is the velonews interview with Dick Pound.http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7332.0.html
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Old 28-12.-2004, 07:33 AM   #587
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ProTour teams sign Ethical Charter! Bad news for Hamilton, Perez and others, especially older riders like Tyler..
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Old 28-12.-2004, 11:42 AM   #588
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ProTour teams sign Ethical Charter! Bad news for Hamilton, Perez and others, especially older riders like Tyler..


But looks like a good move for the sport of cycling.
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Old 28-12.-2004, 11:47 AM   #589
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First of all this is unofficial but I believe it is good info considering the source.
It looks like Phonak will not get their license based on the fact that Hamilton was still on the team when they apparently made a decision 2 weeks ago.

Yes I know they held a hearing ,I believe last week, on the matter,why? I don't follow their logic here but thats the way they did it.

Phonak could still put a team in the big three next year plus the tour since these races have not joined the pro league as yet, however without Tyler and Perez they don't have enough points to be elligible.

Bottom line ,the Phonak team may,and I quote "may" be history. That is from the horse's mouth so to speak.
I really like Tyler and enjoyed watching the Phonak Team in the first stages of the tour last summer.
Terrible shame, all that money invested!

On a lighter note Ullrich is skiing right now. That's it for my Suisse News connection.


Terrible shame is to spend so much money on riffraff. I'm glad to see they're probably getting the boot. Serves them right.
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But looks like a good move for the sport of cycling.
Of course! Only longer penalties are solution! E.g. one year and some money are nothing, while four years are nearly half of pro career! But without good tests and controls that`s still not enough.
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Of course! Only longer penalties are solution! E.g. one year and some money are nothing, while four years are nearly half of pro career! But without good tests and controls that`s still not enough.

If that's the case you would have had to call it a day in 1998. 4 years is retarded.
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Old 05-01.-2005, 09:18 PM   #592
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If that's the case you would have had to call it a day in 1998. 4 years is retarded.


HammerZ, please explain the ambiguous satement, maybe then we could all have an idea to which you refer!

Your post sounded retarded?

Keep the wheels in motion, and don't look back unless it's to see who you dropped on the last climb? TBC
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Terrible shame is to spend so much money on riffraff. I'm glad to see they're probably getting the boot. Serves them right.


And now of course Phonak has fired it's trainer and coach. It could be the team will dissolve soon. I understand the that owner is very dismayed over the amazing amount of aggravation in cycle racing.
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And now of course Phonak has fired it's trainer and coach. It could be the team will dissolve soon. I understand the that owner is very dismayed over the amazing amount of aggravation in cycle racing.


And who the hell could blame him for bailing? One confirmed doper, 2 under suspicion and one great huge pain in the arse for his troubles and money.
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HammerZ, please explain the ambiguous satement, maybe then we could all have an idea to which you refer!

Your post sounded retarded?

Keep the wheels in motion, and don't look back unless it's to see who you dropped on the last climb? TBC

Richard Virenque was thrown out of the 1998 tour with the linkage to the Festina doping scandals. He was back riding the tour again in 1999. So the person I was quoting would have had basically no career if they don't hire anyone for 4 years per the pro tour charter.
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Richard Virenque was thrown out of the 1998 tour with the linkage to the Festina doping scandals. He was back riding the tour again in 1999. So the person I was quoting would have had basically no career if they don't hire anyone for 4 years per the pro tour charter.


HammerZ, Thank you for that, I was under that impression, yes Richard Virenque was well and truly castigated for his involvement in the "Festina Affair" and it is well documented. With hindsight I'm sure he and many others would not have gone down that track, and although I'm in no way condoning their actions, you have to appreciate the pressure that can be and is applied to riders who are expected to perform?

Hopefully we will see things turn around for the better, with everything being done with the natural talent and sheer guts effort that should be the norm in every sport.

I personally look foreward to the days when there is never a shadow of a doubt with anyones performance, whether it be "Le Tour" or the Olympics. Seeing a man or woman athlete giving their all and producing world breaking records is something I'm sure we all aspire to.

On the subject of Richard Virenque, was that or was that not stiring sight, seeing him climb the way he did, when he was in top form. For my money he was excellent value despite his transgression in 1998. Yes I'm a fan of his and many others, too many in fact to name here and now, including the 6 times winner of "Le Tour".

Keep the wheels in motion, and don't look back, unlesss it's to see who you dropped on that last climb? TBC
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And who the hell could blame him for bailing? One confirmed doper, 2 under suspicion and one great huge pain in the arse for his troubles and money.


I don't know him personally but he is a friend of a friend and I know he loves cycling. It is a big interest of his and that is why he has invested so much time and money into it.
For the sake of us that love the sport I hope all the investors interest doesn't die due to doping scandals.
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I don't know. I'm on the fence so to speak.
Also I wish I could see the primary data (yeah like that would happen) talk to the test developers etc..
So far the people who developed the test and perform it seem confident that it is accurate and in 300+ samples his is the only positive.
I am also a little bothered by Dick Pounds overzealous comments. I wan't "cheats" caught too, but not at the expense of sullying the innocence.

I admit I am a fan of Tylers- if I wasn't or if it had been a Euro pro who I knew nothing about I might say probably.
But 2 failed tests from 2 different labs ? If the story attributed to L'Equipe is true that the U.C.I. warned Hamilton about flucuations in blood counts at Romadie and Dauphine is true my opinion might change.

So I'am copping out and saying I don't know, but hope this definitively resolved for the sake of cycling.


Hey Perro Loco, what is the latest with Tyler. Do You know? on the Cycling news magazine there was a small article about him, nothing new really.....

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right - so what is he appealing then? If a decision hasn't been made surely it can't be appealed? I would have thought the word itself was a bit of a giveaway.

I'd be interested to know on what 'technical' grounds I was wrong? Is this something you have specialised knowledge in? From my fairly limited understanding of the UCI's rules he's been found in breach of their rules having failed three tests for doping control with a fourth being inadmissible due to the way it was handled.

It's strange because you seem so sure I'm wrong but then don't seem too sure of the exact process?


Did you guys finally find out more about Tyler? the last thing I read he was fighting or appealing ......is he on hold?
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The only new thing I've heard about Tyler is that he has two new puppies, named Anchor and Tanker. Cute.

http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

I don't think there's anything new on his case. Isn't his hearing scheduled for this month?
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