**** Breaking News: Hamilton Tested Positive? ***

Brian Cotgrove

G'day brunswick_kate, Isn't this such fun, lets all go down the pub and get really plastered, it might just then begin to make sense

One doesn't need to be mad to understand all the Bull Sh*t but it definitely helps

By the way, can I use the bit about, "Insanity has it's price" "HOW MUCH" and do you accept "VISA" or does it have to be cash?

Love it and can't wwwwait to get to use it someday soon? TBC

limerickman

Like you, I have two contacts currently racing within the peloton in Europe and they tell me that doping is still prevalent and like, BradMcGee, everyone who is not doping, knows who the dopers are.

My two contacts tell me that they fully realise that they will never get to the top of the sport because (1) they are not as physically gifted as the top men
(2) that they don't want to have to take drugs.
It is known that to be at the top, you have to be either phenomanally gifted,
or have talent but use drugs to make up for the talent shortfall.

Neither of my contacts are "bitter little men who never had the ability to compete" as they say.
Both had gliterring amateur careers and were able to compete.
They're simply happy now to work as part of a team for the team's top riders.

Interestingly, one of them competed against Ullrich as an amateur and is now competing as a professional against him.
My contact says that Jan, in relative terms, was as far ahead of the field as an amateur, as he is as a pro.
In other words, he was/is consistently good.

My other good friend in the media Paul Kimmage appears to concur with this thinking.
If a rider is consistent - and his results show consistency or consistant progression, that this is a sign of perhaps a rider who does not need to dope
(of course, they could be dopers but it is possible/probable, that they're not).

jhuskey

First of all this is unofficial but I believe it is good info considering the source.
It looks like Phonak will not get their license based on the fact that Hamilton was still on the team when they apparently made a decision 2 weeks ago.

Yes I know they held a hearing ,I believe last week, on the matter,why? I don't follow their logic here but thats the way they did it.

Phonak could still put a team in the big three next year plus the tour since these races have not joined the pro league as yet, however without Tyler and Perez they don't have enough points to be elligible.

Bottom line ,the Phonak team may,and I quote "may" be history. That is from the horse's mouth so to speak.
I really like Tyler and enjoyed watching the Phonak Team in the first stages of the tour last summer.
Terrible shame, all that money invested!

On a lighter note Ullrich is skiing right now. That's it for my Suisse News connection.

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Perro Loco

What you say echos what I have heard from other scources. It also makes you think long and hard about Santi Perez in the Vuelta. A talented rider probably, but suddenly he is "ripping the legs off" one of the best contemporay climbers (Heras). I was amazed at how easy he made it look, and probably should have been suspicious at the time.

Further info of note
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php...dec04/dec01news
there is a link to a copy of the UCI report on Phonak
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php...dec01newsphonak

It turns out the early reports are true that the U.C.I. warned Phonak about abnormal blood results during the season.
From the U.C.I. ....
While I had initialy been supportive of Tyler, the weight of evidence is accumulating- I will await his formal hearing- but at present things do not look good for him.

Brunswick_kate

Down to the pub....Finally someone on this thread who has a lick of sense left. Trust an Australian to keep the priorities straight.

As far as the cost of insanity....IN GOD WE TRUST, ALL OTHERS CASH. Other than that, plagiarize at will...Heavens know I did.

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jhuskey

All the problems and troubles in the world and your first thought is about having a BEER.......... yes I can see that to be a logical conclusion also.

Prost!

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Brunswick_kate

<Grin> and like this doesn't make YOUR head swim...by the way, did you get a chance to read the article on Velonews about laboratory concerns brought up by Joey D'Antoni and his allegations of deficient laboratory practices. Makes a person think twice, no?

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jhuskey

No I haven't, but will give it a look.

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James Felstead

seems Phonak are no longer disputing the validity of the test

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=733

"Highlighting a change of strategy within the team, Freuler said they are 100 per cent sure that the test for blood doping is valid and said that the team would not be aiding Hamilton and Perez in their respective fights against blood doping charges."

So yet again the sport demonstrates a complete lack of ethics and principles.

What a joke.

Brian Cotgrove

G'day James Felstead, once again everyone bails out when the going get tuff?

I watched on TV or heard more like it whilst cooking breakfast today, that the Ceo of WADA, Dick Pound, is looking to collect a few scalps very soon as the "supplyer of steriods"? one "Victor Conti" who is supposd to be assisting a trial or enquiry at present will blow the whistle and is going to shoot a few names their way, very soon.

Mentioned, were Marion Jones, another USA track and field sprinter, didn't get that name but Victor Conti says he has supplied to more than a dozen athletes and cycling was also mentioned but nothing or no one specific as yet.
I'm sure the "Ship will Hit the Sand" very soon, so keep watching the news spots, that's if you can stand any more crap mongering?
Keep the wheels turning

James Felstead

[QUOTE=Brian Cotgrove]G'day James Felstead, once again everyone bails out when the going get tuff?

I think it's a more a case that everyone lies their ass off to suit their own agenda.

Brian Cotgrove

I think this is a job for "Judge Dredd", hang on to yer bonnets fellow cybernaughts, I'll give him a call, he'll sort it out, well, he does elsewhere, why not here and now

On yer bikes everyone, don't look back, TBC

GuyStevens

Can someone give an outline of the appeal process open to Hamilton and the sort of timescales involved?

Am I right in saying it is down to the United States Anti-Doping Agency to impose any sanction? Have they commented on the case?

Brian Cotgrove

G'Day Guy Stevens, It would appear that all have gone to sleep on this one, I noticed that there were no replies to your question. Unfortunately I cannot proffer an answer either, but fear not, someone out there in cyberspace will eventually come up with something. Usually Beastt is very quick to get stuck in when it comes to insinuation regarding the drug takers, of which there are far too many, unfortuntely? Maybe this will stir his Beastty nest, if so, watch out, he bites real hard, don't say you've not ben warned? I'm writing this from behind the couch, just incase he jumps out at me, that should give me a bit of protection.

This may not be an answer, but on the trusty TV last evening the problem of drugs in sport seems to be heading towards the uncontrolable giddy heights.

A researcher (doctor) in the USA (I was half asleep waiting for something else to be shown, so I did not pay full attention to where he was from but a university) and he is developing a "Gene" based Drug? or what ever therapy you want to call it, anyway he has come up with a new substance. He has tested it on mice and found that the Mice were they able to climb a ladder "lift weights atattched to their tails" with tape, of more then twice their body weight after recieving an injection of this very substance. They appeared to be muscle bound little suckers too, well, at least much bigger than the other mice in the experiment, with bulging shoulders and legs. Watch out Arnie?

Scary stuff to say the least, it is supposed to be completely undetectable with present testing protocol. The doctor said even then it would be undetectable even with smarter tests. He said he has been inundated by sports people who have said they want some. He also said that he informed them that it could cause cancer or have other detrimental health effects as it has done with the mice in the experiment.

However it did not deter them, as they still said they were prepared to give it a go for the advantage of setting new goals. No matter where you go it will always be that way, because of the certain members of our human race are always trying to gain an unfair advantage over others, by whatever means at their disposal. Sad isn't it? Well, I think it is, because there are so many other honest good folk who will never taint themselves this way. we live in a sick society, In the words of "Anthony Newly", "Stop the World I Wanna Get Off".

Apart from that mate, have a god day, wheel's a be seein' yer round! TBC