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Old 15-09.-2004, 11:11 PM   #16
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The no helmet situation is with a shaved head. Gentlemen, you are misordering. Wearing a crappy non aero helmet > no helmet, hair > no helmet, shaved head > aerodynamic helmet. This means that a aero helmet could carry 10% aero advantage over a standard helmet.


I think you've got it the wrong way around..

From the site mentioned above:
"The wide-spread ANSI approved helmet Bell V1 Pro gains around 9.8% compared to a bald head"

The context is "increasing aero drag", so it basically states that wearing an approved aero helmet is aerodynamically worse than a bald head by 9.8%.

Also, you can't calculate a performance increase/decrease of x% based on the drag increase/decrease of x%. The drag percentage isn't directly related to speed. So 5% better aerodynamics isn't necessarily 5% faster..

Also quoting that site:
"New wheels offer the largest aerodynamic advantage with the bicycle"
but it goes on to mention front disc problems in winds and the cost.

So, maybe you could get a better helmet if you can afford it and swap your spokes for bladded ones and maybe some deep, aero rims?

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Old 20-09.-2004, 06:41 PM   #17
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Hippy.. no a standard helmet has worse aero drag than a bald head, a good aero helmet has much better drag than a bald head. As for speed increases, since drag is proportional to velocity cubed, a 10% reduction in drag would cause a 3% increase in speed at constant power. air drag (watts)= VA*VA*VG*0.5*air density (in kg per cubic meter) *frontal area (in meters squared)*drag coefficient (dimensionless number) Va is air velocity, Vg is ground velocity, in meters-sec of course.
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Old 21-09.-2004, 11:03 PM   #18
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Hippy.. no a standard helmet has worse aero drag than a bald head, a good aero helmet has much better drag than a bald head. As for speed increases, since drag is proportional to velocity cubed, a 10% reduction in drag would cause a 3% increase in speed at constant power. air drag (watts)= VA*VA*VG*0.5*air density (in kg per cubic meter) *frontal area (in meters squared)*drag coefficient (dimensionless number) Va is air velocity, Vg is ground velocity, in meters-sec of course.


Yep, as per: "The Bell Stratos, an ANSI approved helmet, increases the
aero drag by approximately 1.3 % over a bald head."

and: "Aero helmets, as they are used for racing, which do not however
meet the ANSI safety requirements, reduce the aero drag by approximately 2% compared to a bald head or a rubber cap over the hair."

But I'm not sure I'd call 2% drag reduction "much better" than a bald
head. Maybe at the elite level 2% is a lot, but not for me

Anyway, 2% less drag is MUCH less benefit than the 5% _time_ benefit
some people were calculating. It's only a 2% _drag_ decrease which is
NOT 2% speed increase.

Ahh.. too much maths not enough riding!

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Old 27-09.-2004, 07:47 AM   #19
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That Bell (razor?) that the Kiwi rode in the pursuit is cool. You don't see many of those around anymore. I've always been curious why Bell stopped making them. Also, why Troxel stopped making the radius titanium. Both really cool lids from the mid 90's.
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Old 04-10.-2004, 12:49 AM   #20
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At the Junior Worlds, some of the German team members had some pretty cool lids. I wasn't able to catch the brand, but they looked more like skate helmets but had no vents and a visor. Not so much aero as a classic round helmet. They really looked ideal for the mass-start track events. Can anyone shed any more info (brand names, retail ordering, etc)?
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