2004 La Vuelta a Espana

gntlmn

You might want to speak more about this Cadel Evans. I did a google on him, and it seems that his claim to fame is a 3rd place in the Tour de Murcie. But when I google the Tour de Murcie, all I get is French, no English.

Is this guy a homegrown Aussie with a string of success in your homeland?

gntlmn

It sounds like Mancebo is your man, backed by Menchov.

gntlmn

Maybe you can talk about that Bugos event a little bit. From what I gather, it's the Vuelta a Bugos. When was this, how long, how many stages?

Miguel_garcia83

www.vueltaburgos.com

it was last week, 4 stages, no time trial, 2 mountain stages, both won by valverde, who also won the second stage


1º 51 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP KEL 14h59'07"
2º 4 MENCHOV, Denis RUS ILL a 03"
3º 36 PIEPOLI, Leonardo ITA SAU a 06"
4º 43 SERRANO, Marcos A. ESP LIB a 50"
5º 117 GONZÁLEZ RIOS, Jonathan ESP COS a 53"
6º 33 DOMÍNGUEZ, Juan Carlos ESP SAU a 01'14"
7º 7 KARPETS, Vladimir RUS ILL a 01'40"
8º 92 ARDILA, Mauricio Albert COL CHO a 01'51"
9º 154 MARTÍNEZ, José Alberto ESP REL a 02'02"
10º 76 SOSENKA, Ondrej CZE ACQ a 02'06"
11º 42 CARUSO, Giampaolo ITA LIB a 02'07"
12º 11 CASTRESANA DEL VAL, Angel ESP MR. a 02'31"
13º 54 LATASA LASA, David ESP KEL a 02'59"
14º 108 VALJAVEC, Tadej SLO PHO a 03'18"
15º 66 SGAMBELLURI, Roberto ITA VIN a 03'38"
16º 87 VAN HUFFEL, Wim BEL VLA a 03'43"
17º 12 VAN DE WOUWER, Kurt BEL MR. a 03'50"
18º 82 DEMEYERE, Geoffrey BEL VLA a 03'52"
19º 21 SINKEWITZ, Patrick GER QUI a 03'59"
20º 106 TSCHOPP, Johann SUI PHO a 04'09"

27º 27 PECHARROMAN, José A ESP QUI a 05'15"

59º 62 TONKOV, Pavel RUS VIN a 10'34"

65º 46 NOZAL, Isidro ESP LIB a 12'15"

69º 61 GARZELLI, Stefano ITA VIN a 12'53"

103º 31 BELOKI, Joseba ESP SAU a 20'43"

Miguel_garcia83

Mancebo is a very regular rider, he never fails, 6th this year in tour and 5th in vuelta 2003, but i consider Menchov as Illes Balears team leader
I would like to see what vinokourov can/wants to do, he just won today the regio tour

Regio Tour

1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 17.23.49
2 Stephan Schreck (Ger) T-Mobile Team 0.08
3 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit Agricole 0.21
4 Markus Fothen (Ger) Gerolsteiner 0.47
5 Cadel Evans (Aus) T-Mobile Team 0.57
6 Tomas Konecny (Cze) T-Mobile Team 1.04
7 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) T-Mobile Team 1.13
8 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Landbouwkrediet-Colnago 1.28
9 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) FDJeux.com 1.32
10 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) FDJeux.com 1.37

musette

That Ace and Chechu (even with his finger fracture) don't want to lead USPS in the Vuelta (or co-lead) is indicative of how they don't hunger for a Grand Tour win. That's part of why they are a good fit for the USPS TdF squad, in assisting LA.

USPS has a decent support team for the Vuelta. With VHP, Joachim, Barry, Van Heeswijk (who can be a domestique as well as a sprinter), Rincon, likely Noval.... that's not bad at all, and would give somebody sufficient support if the leader/co-leader were motivated.

gunnar_roadie

I would have liked to see Menchov and Mancebo work together in the mountains in the Tour-- it's a shame Menchov crashed out. Seems Mancebo is too content with 5th, 6th, 10th place... he is very capable of making the podium in a grand tour. Whenever I see Mancebo in the mountains, he's always by himself. Why is no one working for him? In last year's Vuelta he pulled off some good times
in the ITTs (including the one up alto de abantos), so he must not completely suck at time trials which makes me wonder why he is so unmotivated at them.

Is Vino gonna start in the Vuelta for sure? He's such a team player, I hope he goes for everything instead of sacrificing for the team.

patch70

Cadel is a former mountain biker (world champ) who has moved into road racing. He has won the tour of Austria twice and did a pretty good Giro a few years ago (2002). He was riding for Mapei and late in the race got the Maglia Rosa (in his first ever grand tour - after Simoni & Garzelli got dumped for doping). On the last major climb of that Giro, he bonked and lost something like 17 minutes so did not place.

Last year he moved to T-Mobile and did not do much as he broke his collarbone 3 times. This year he was looking good and was ready for the Tour but for some dubious reason he was left out. Godefroot said that he was worried about him crashing...

He is doing the Vuelta this year and is a reasonable chance at a top 10 or better finish given that he is a very good climber and time trialler. Aldo Sassi, who is an Italian training guru, rated his physiology as being near the best he'd seen.

mocka58

Patch70 has covered this well but I will add that he has won a couple of Tours of Austria and some other minor Tours. Every time he seems like he is about to break out with a big performance he hurts himself or cops a raw deal from his team. Hopefully the Tour of Spain will show if he has got the goods.
He achieved his 3rd at the Tour of Murcia on the last mountain stage of the race when he bridged a gap across to Valverde and Piepoli with 2km to go and finished the stage in their company. So if he can produce something like that in the Vuelta he may crack the top 10. He's a solid in the time trials too.

gntlmn

That's very interesting. I tried looking at the info on the link you provided, but my spanish is rather limited. I did notice the elevations on stage 2 though, and it looks like they don't exceed about 1100 meters in that stage. I think the Vuelta goes up higher. I don't know if that would have an impact.

If Valverde competes in Sept., maybe he'll do very well. But look at the spread among the first 3 in this Burgos event--only 6 seconds. And who is this Piepoli?

You're right about Beloki. He's not having a very good year.

gntlmn

I've never heard of anyone breaking a collarbone 3 times in one year. Maybe his body is not made of nails, but his mind must be to be able to keep coming back for more. That's really something.

keydates

Then again, he is returning from last year's bad crash.

Miguel_garcia83

some information about leonardo piepoli. he is a very good climber, very light and very irregular, there you go his best results

PIEPOLI, LeonardoITA team: Saunier Duval Debut: 1995 birth date: 29/09/1971 PuestoPruebaNac. Pru.FechaEqu.AÑO 20041stSUBIDA URKIOLAESP08/08/2004SDV3rdVuelta a AragonESP18/04/2004SDV3rdVuelta a RomandiaSUI02/05/2004SDV3rdSubida al NarancoESP11/05/2004SDV3rdVUELTA BURGOSESP08/08/2004SDV4thVuelta Comunidad ValencianaESP28/02/2004SDV4thVuelta a AsturiasESP16/05/2004SDV10thSetmana CatalanaESP26/03/2004SDV10thEuskal BizikletaESP06/06/2004SDV12thVuelta a MurciaESP07/03/2004SDVAÑO 20031stVuelta AragonESP16/04/2003BAN1st - stage1Vuelta AragonESP16/04/2003BAN1stSubida NarancoESP18/05/2003BAN1stSubida UrkiolaESP10/08/2003BAN4thSetmana CatalanaESP24/03/2003BAN7thBicicleta VascaESP04/06/2003BAN9thClasica AlcobendasESP10/05/2003BAN13thGiro de LombardiaITA18/10/2003BAN14thVuelta Pais VascoESP07/04/2003BAN16thVuelta AsturiasESP13/05/2003BAN21stVuelta BurgosESP11/08/2003BAN23rdVuelta a EspañaESP21/09/2003BANAÑO 20021stVuelta AragonESP17/04/2002BAN1st - stage 1Vuelta AragonESP17/04/2002BAN1stVuelta AsturiasESP15/05/2002BAN1st - stage 4Vuelta AsturiasESP15/05/2002BAN3rdVuelta Castilla y LeonESP02/05/2002BAN6thVolta CatalunyaESP17/06/2002BAN9thSetmana CatalanaESP25/03/2002BAN11thBicicleta VascaESP05/06/2002BAN13thGiro LombardiaITA19/10/2002BANAÑO 20012ndGiro TrentinoITA30/04/2001BAN4thVuelta AragonESP18/04/2001BAN9thV. Comunidad ValencianaESP27/02/2001BAN9thSetmana CatalanaESP26/03/2001BAN10thDauphine LibereFRA09/06/2001BAN44thTOUR DE FRANCIAFRA07/07/2001BANAÑO 20001st - stage 2CRITERIUM INTERNACIONALFRA25/03/2000BAN1stVUELTA ARAGONESP12/04/2000BAN1st - stage 2VUELTA ARAGONESP12/04/2000BAN1stVUELTA BURGOSESP07/08/2000BAN1st - stage3VUELTA BURGOSESP07/08/2000BAN2ndSUBIDA URKIOLAESP13/08/2000BAN3rdVOLTA CATALUNYAESP15/06/2000BAN6thVUELTA GALICIAESP14/08/2000BAN10thGIRO DE ITALIAITA13/05/2000BAN11thCRITERIUM INTERNACIONALFRA25/03/2000BAN12thGIRO TRENTINOITA24/04/2000BANAÑO 19991stVUELTA CASTILLA Y LEONESP01/08/1999BAN1st - stage 2VUELTA CASTILLA Y LEONESP01/08/1999BAN1stSUBIDA URKIOLAESP08/08/1999BAN1st - stage4VUELTA BURGOSESP16/08/1999BAN3rdVUELTA ARAGONESP14/04/1999BAN4thVUELTA BURGOSESP16/08/1999BAN8thVUELTA ROMANDIASUI04/05/1999BAN8thVUELTA ESPAÑAESP04/09/1999BANAÑO 19981st - stage 4 VUELTA BURGOSESP17/08/1998SAE1stTROFEO ESCALADORES 2ITA25/08/1998SAE2ndVUELTA BURGOSESP17/08/1998SAE2ndTROFEO ESCALADORES 1ITA25/08/1998SAE3rdCLASICA SAN SEBASTIANESP08/08/1998SAE3rdTROFEO ESCALADORES 3ITA27/08/1998SAE4thVUELTA ARAGONESP15/04/1998SAE4thVUELTA SUIZASUI16/06/1998SAE5thGP CAMAIOREITA05/09/1998SAE9thGIRO APENINOSITA14/06/1998SAE14thTOUR DE FRANCIAFRA11/07/1998SAE16thGIRO DE ITALIAITA16/05/1998SAEAÑO 19973rdGIRO TRENTINOITA28/04/1997REF3rdT. ESCALADORES 2ITA28/08/1997REF5thGIRO TOSCANAITA04/05/1997REF10thVUELTA SUIZASUI17/06/1997REF24thGP SUIZASUI24/08/1997REF26thVUELTA ESPAÑAESP06/09/1997REFAÑO 19961st - stage 4SEMANA BERGAMASCAITA16/04/1996REF1st - stage 4GIRO TRENTINOITA08/05/1996REF2ndSEMANA BERGAMASCAITA16/04/1996REF8thVUELTA BERNASUI28/04/1996REF14thGIRO TRENTINOITA08/05/1996REF17thTOUR DE FRANCIAFRA29/06/1996REF38thGIRO DE ITALIAITA18/06/1996REF

Miguel_garcia83

shit it didnt look like it when i copied and pasted it, i am sorry, i will look somewhere else