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10-08.-2004, 10:17 PM

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If I recall correctly Albert developed the theories of general relativity and
specific relativity while working in the Post Office !

It was the patent office...

11-08.-2004, 12:01 AM

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It was the patent office...

You are correct, sorry !
My mistake.

11-08.-2004, 03:53 AM

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Exactly! It's just like this silly belief that Albert Einstein was really smarter than all of the other top physicists in the world. I mean really! Wake up! How can anyone believe that one person can be so much better than the other people in his field? Do you really think that these other physicists and mathematicians sat around not studying, hypothesizing, or calculating while ol' Einstein was burning the midnight oil with his sliderule? You probably believe that Einstein's brain actually had 73% more functioning neurons than a normal brain just because that's what was reported by those who examined his brain after he died. If a person were really that smart, he'd be burning twice as many calories as an average person, just in mental exercise! If you look back at his earlier performances, you'll find that he failed the entrance exam for the Federal Polytechnic Academy in Zurich, Switzerland. And now we're supposed to believe that he was some sort of brilliant, freakish, genius?

Haha! That's an excellent analogy Beastt!

11-08.-2004, 04:03 AM

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I guess I am a cynic when it comes to sudden improvements in cycling performances.

But how sudden was it really? The guy had won one day races he won 10 day tours, climbing stages, etc. He was signed to a $1m plus deal by a team that expected him to be on the podium at the Tour. He came back with more of a climbers body and after a lot of work finished 4th at the Vuelta with no podium ambition. Where is the sudden? It's not there except to those who want to beileive it is.

11-08.-2004, 04:13 AM

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Haha! That's an excellent analogy Beastt!

Thank you. But in all fairness, I heard one of his most recognized inventions blew up.

11-08.-2004, 05:06 AM	#66
atomicz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4	Re: Do you think lance is doping? yes or no No, I don't think Lance is doping? His training and preparation was superb. How else can you explain it? This man almost died, he saw his mortality and looked it straight in the face. I don't think he could stand to live a lie if he doped. He saw an opportunity to make his name live on a little longer than his physical being. I think he is on a bigger mission than just winning the tour. The tour is just a means to an end.

11-08.-2004, 12:10 PM	#67
np36 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 10	Re: Do you think lance is doping? yes or no I don't understand the idea that "if he win's he must be cheating." Dominance in sports is common, either by a single individual or an organization based around an individual or two. Was Wayne Grezky a cheater? How about Tiger Woods? Bourg in Tennis? What about Pele and the Brazilians at soccer? Mark Spitz and this new kid Phelps? Are all of these guys cheaters just becasue they dominate? It seems to me the recipe is simple. Take someone who is very, very physically talented and mentally tough and support them with the backing of the likes of Trek, Nike, Giro and everything else, and train them until the cows come home. Hard work, good intelligence, research down to the last cookie crumb and all the cash you can throw at it and you are bound to bring forth a winner. Lance is that AND he has a killer story too! Get out and ride!

11-08.-2004, 01:54 PM

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I don't understand the idea that "if he win's he must be cheating." Dominance in sports is common, either by a single individual or an organization based around an individual or two. Was Wayne Grezky a cheater? How about Tiger Woods? Bourg in Tennis? What about Pele and the Brazilians at soccer? Mark Spitz and this new kid Phelps? Are all of these guys cheaters just becasue they dominate?

Are there drugs that improve natural skills and hand/eye coordination? Gretzky, Woods, Borg and Pele are involved in sports that do not require sustained maximal or near maximal anaerobic or aerobic efforts. They are skill dominated sports.

Swimming, cross country skiing, cycling, athletics, rowing and all the strength/power sports are prone to doping.

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It seems to me the recipe is simple. Take someone who is very, very physically talented and mentally tough and support them with the backing of the likes of Trek, Nike, Giro and everything else, and train them until the cows come home. Hard work, good intelligence, research down to the last cookie crumb and all the cash you can throw at it and you are bound to bring forth a winner. Lance is that AND he has a killer story too!

Get out and ride!

If it were so simple there would be changes of the yellow jersey during the Tour on a daily basis.

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11-08.-2004, 03:25 PM

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Exactly...I mean if Lance doped last year, I guess he took 61 seconds more dope than Urlrich! We are we even having this poll!!!

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No chance is he using anything to enhace his performance. IMO.

He is the best around and no-one cana get near him.

Look at the general classification of this years tour.
Basso is umpteen minutes better than Sastre. Does this mean Basso is using more drugs than Sastre but not as much as Lance?
Did Karpetts use just a little more than Voeckler?

Absolute rubbish.

Lance is better than any of the competition that has tried to beat him - fair and square. His rivals know it and so should everyone else.

Well done Lance.

11-08.-2004, 08:47 PM

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If it were so simple there would be changes of the yellow jersey during the Tour on a daily basis.

Not so since not every team has the all parts of that equation. Postal controlled who rides with the yellow by setting the pace. They where out front setting each day up exactly how they wanted to because they could.

Your point about "hand eye" sports is well taken but that doesn't change the principle that all sports have dominate figures and teams, and it doesn't address people like Spitz and Phelps and others like Thorpe from Australia.

Get out and ride

12-08.-2004, 03:50 AM	#71
gntlmn Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA Posts: 1,672	Re: Do you think lance is doping? yes or no They used to have a name for people who doped too long--burnouts. Do you think a burnout could win the Tour?

13-08.-2004, 07:23 AM

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They used to have a name for people who doped too long--burnouts. Do you think a burnout could win the Tour?

I think that may have been true back when the drugs of choice were amphetamines or steroids. Those drugs seem to give athletes a temporary performance gain while they're ultimately tearing them down and damaging their bodies. But it seems like the drugs that are available now (when used "properly"

) have the ability to make the athletes stronger without doing damage to their bodies. I could be wrong. And by saying that, in no way do I mean to imply that Armstrong (or anyone else) is a doper.

13-08.-2004, 07:30 AM	#73
fallensparrow Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 31	Re: Do you think lance is doping? yes or no Only American track athletes have a problem with doping, but thats only because of the huge money in todays amateur athletics. There's no way any American cyclist or cycling team would even consider doping... they couldn't EVER afford the best team doctors and latest doping info that it would take to beat WADA and their crack team of anti-dopers! Give your heads a shake... and the fact that Lance even says he doesn't dope seals the matter, CASE CLOSED! Lets all get on with life and sit down with a cold beer and watch the Pharmacy Games... er ... the Olympic Games this weekend. fallen^sparrow

13-08.-2004, 08:22 PM

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Only American track athletes have a problem with doping, but thats only because of the huge money in todays amateur athletics. There's no way any American cyclist or cycling team would even consider doping... they couldn't EVER afford the best team doctors and latest doping info that it would take to beat WADA and their crack team of anti-dopers! Give your heads a shake... and the fact that Lance even says he doesn't dope seals the matter, CASE CLOSED! Lets all get on with life and sit down with a cold beer and watch the Pharmacy Games... er ... the Olympic Games this weekend.

fallen^sparrow

Just want to take up that issue of money - do athletes earn more than the likes of Ullrich and Armstrong ?

13-08.-2004, 11:20 PM

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Just want to take up that issue of money - do athletes earn more than the likes of Ullrich and Armstrong ?

I can only assume that fallensparrow was being sarcastic?

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