Cry Baby Simeoni

StarryMan

That's a very good point... LeMond has singled out mainly LA in which the whole cycling world is guilty of letting doping get out of coutrol. While there are rules in place, it's evident that it's part of the pro cycling culture. And this culture should be eliminated and I hope that Lance somehow... someway can compeletely prove his innocense. This will restore some legitamcy to the sport and prove that you can win without cheating.

In regards to LeMond and Hampsten... such poor sportsmen from the sidelines (it's hard for me to tear down their posters in my den since I spent good money framing them... so for now they stay). They really should read or listen to the available audio CD, "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Seems like LeMond and Seimeoni are bigger enemies to LA than real contenders on the field like Ulrich etc.

Nicholas

musette

If there is guilt by associating with somebody, then a friend of a mafia boss who is not himself involved in the mafia should also go to jail?

Yes, on the jealousy point, it might be a protective mechanism for less successful cyclists (or supporters thereof) to not have to acknowledge the weaknesses in such cyclists. It's part of the "blame society" we live in. Instead of focusing on improving their own performance, they are in denial and want to see the successful party as doping. Rather sad for those under this illusion.

Ted B

Lemond uses his own experience with a debilitating incident as the basis for his claim that LA could not possibly do what he’s done without doping. This is inherently faulty thinking. Lemond and LA went through two entirely different situations. LA made a clean recovery. Lemond did not. Lemond still walks around carrying lead pellets and suffers from effects suspected to be directly related to this.

StarryMan

With these LA opponents pointing their witchhunt fingers... I'm fearful of the kind of society that I'm raising my young daughter in.

I know that we all believe doping has hurt cycling and I hope that UCI, USCF and other cycling organizations work together to develop better policies and technologies to determine doping problems. If the technology isn't quite there to conclusively test for EPO (maybe there is), how about voluntary EPO testing? Biweekly? Monthly? I bet you LA would be the first to endorse a policy or voluntary practice.

Needless to say... back to the thread of "Cry Baby Simeoni"...

Come on, if you are against or fore LA, you have to admit Simeoni is a cry baby!!! Tables would be different if respected racers in the current race would call out foul play. Had Ulrich said something... maybe I'd take notice because the guy is a great racer. But Simeoni even said "Lance won't even talk to me... boo hoo". I added the boo hoo part. Ha ha ha...

Nicholas

babylou

I did not say Armstrong's guilt was proven by his association with Dr. Ferrari. I only stated that their association was some evidence.

BTW: If you are friends with a mafia boss you are in the mafia. Whether you want to be or not. Just hope the boss never kisses you on both cheeks. Otherwise you can kiss your butt cheeks goodbye.

tinajoy

You are correct. That was such a beautiful ride!!!! (I'm not the biggest fan in the world but............THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL RIDE!!!!!)

wheresullrich?

thank u! i set up a thread about this if armstrongs guilty all the competitors are too

musette

Simoeni's silliness was exhibited in the final stage, when he tried to get in front of the peloton. How disrespectful of the Yellow Jersey and how further signaling Simeoni's lack of judgment.

Miguel_garcia83

hey i know a bit about the changes that have taken place in the us. THG was a good change

Miguel_garcia83

but armstrong is involved with dr ferrari. they are not just friends

limerickman

I ask the question of you - for the third time - do you believe that Lance Armstrong is clean ?

As regards Jan Ullrich - his palmares unlike your hero - has never been questioned.
He debuted at a very high level after a glittering career as an amateur.
No one has ever, ever brought allegations of performance enhancing drugs against JU.
No one.
His career/palmares is beyond doubt or question.

I refer you once again to what a 5 time TDF winner told me in 1998 :
"I saw JU in my rear view mirror. I competed from 1985 to 1996 against
all of the greats in that era and I have never seen as complete a cyclist
as Jan Ullrich"

I might point out to you that your hypothosis about people being jealous of
LA and their "perceived" jealously - is again, totally inaccurate.

When LeMond was beating a French institution (Bernard Hinault), not one of Hinault's supporters claimed that LeMond was using drugs to be their hero.
When a bloke from a neighbouring country completely dominated the TDF
in the 1970's (Merckx), no one ever raised the question of performance enhancing drugs.
In the 1990's when Indurain was blowing the entire field - and your harworking, diet watching, hero - to smithereens, no one raised any allegations of performance enhancing drugs.

Funny how only LA has been targetted.
Is he the victim of some wide international conspiracy ?
You'd probably advocate that he is.

So I ask you the question for the fourth time - do you believe that Armstrong is entirely clean ?
Your refusal to answer this question - I'll take it that you do not advocate that he is clean.

musette

I believe LA is clean.

limerickman

Well thanks for stating this belief.

I think this exchange has come to the end of the line.

Brunswick_kate

Okay...let's have at it with this "proof"....

1. The "proof" of the known associate, aka Dr. Ferrari. I know a man who committed murder. In spite of my association with a convicted murderer, I have not committed any acts of homocide. Nor is it reasonable for anyone to assume that I am somehow more predisposed to committing heinous acts of violence because I know someone who did such a thing.

While we're at it, depending on your personal set of beliefs, it is rumoured that Christ himself hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors...

2. Ms. O'Reilly....a low ranking former employee of USPS cycling team who claims she a) picked up drugs for Lance and/or the team; b) assisted in cover up of said drug usage by lending her cosmetics to Lance so he could cover up his needle tracks.

Can we review this for a moment....minor employee entrusted with the most explosive "secret" that USPS cycling team could ever possibly have. An employee without any vested interest in Lance Armstrong Inc...ie she's on salary and not making a personal fortune off him like a host of others who have a whole lot to lose if Lance Armstrong Inc goes in the toilet. This is what the guys who stand to lose MILLIONS are going to entrust with the one piece of information that can tear down the entire house of cards. This is credible?

Cosmetics? The guy's jacking up on God knows what that will annihilate his career, his public reputation and the reputation and success of his charitable foundation. Given that all of this is on the line, our Mr Armstrong, with all his resouces both personal and those of USPS cycling team at his disposal, the best he can come up with to save his ass is slapping on a little liquid concealer and dust it off with a bit of powder. This is undoubtedly a time tested method of pulling a fast one on a physician looking for evidence of illegal substance abuse. I know street junkies with more finesse than that....oops, shouldn't have mentioned that last bit. According to the theory of the "known associates", this makes me a heroin addict.

Do you find this "evidence" to be credible? I mean really? Take the "star power" gossip factor of the A-list name out of the story and would you believe it?

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