Cry Baby Simeoni

Originally Posted by pobserver03

You idiots are fricking killing me here. In regards to every single one of your negative replies or inuendo re: LA & doping: IF IT LOOKS LIKE SH*T, IF IT SMELLS LIKE SH*T, IT MUST BE SH*T. Your views and arguments smell like...say it with me now...SH*T! When is the last time you encountered a lazy champion? I admit the possibility of doping exists-It could bery well be one explanation for his current success. The other possibility is that he has an unbridled determination to achieve great things, the dedication to training that allows him to attain the spoils of great things.

Limereckman-Are you nothing but a drunk Irish A**hole. I mean that is a common misconception of many an Irishmen. I doubt you are any thing less than a decent person. You present many a fact in support of your view about LA. Correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem you have ever so righteously proclaimed LA as an evil doper. Your argument is very educated and informed. I can not backup my argument any further than as a fan of LA & my belief in LA's innocence. You provide many a compelling argument.

There is the evil Dr. Ferrari. There is the matter of his performance record in what ever years you reference-none of them post 98. There if the David Millar saga. We should just stop right there. That very bit of evidence is surely the most damning. Tell ya what lets me and you go right now, grab the tour officials and the police, and storm down to wherever it is LA is sleeping peacefully, rouse him out of bed, cuff him, take him to the police station, lock his skinny ass up, forget about any damn trial, because he is guilty per you, all because (forget the fact he confessed) David Millar never tested positive for a drug test. Give me a break!

Do you think that Indurain, Merckx, Hinault were lazy? On the contrary-they new what they wanted-they trained hard-and they achieved their goals. Thats what champions do. LA is no different.

Originally Posted by Miguel_garcia83

i dont know if limerick is drunk or not, but his knowloedges about cycling deserve the most respects, he is probably the one on this forum that knows more about cycling, no need to look for information on the internet

there is no lazy pro rider, well ullrich some winters, but for example, olano has been the best professional we have known in spain and he didnt get that level

what would you think next year if oscar freire wins the tour and over and over as armstrong has done, and he says he is a very good friend of dr ferrari and that he is being treated by him? suspicious change, just like armstrongs, and not counting the cancer

Originally Posted by Miguel_garcia83

i dont know if limerick is drunk or not, but his knowloedges about cycling deserve the most respects, he is probably the one on this forum that knows more about cycling, no need to look for information on the internet

there is no lazy pro rider, well ullrich some winters, but for example, olano has been the best professional we have known in spain and he didnt get that level

what would you think next year if oscar freire wins the tour and over and over as armstrong has done, and he says he is a very good friend of dr ferrari and that he is being treated by him? suspicious change, just like armstrongs, and not counting the cancer

Originally Posted by pobserver03

Kowlegdgeable smoledgeable. Maybe in reading my post you didn't recognize my acknowledgement of how well educated the old Irish sage appears to be. Oscar Freire-thats pushing it.

See if you can interpret this.......Knowing I could rob a bank doesn't make me a bankrobber.

Originally Posted by babylou

Losing fat and muscle mass will have little effect on this power. Steady state power comes from the heart, the lungs and slow twitch muscle fibers. Slow twitch muscle fibers do not hypertrophy so training does not increase their mass.



All that being said I believe that Armstrong is doping. I also believe that 98% of his competitors are. It's no different in any other sport that is predominantly physical performance based versus skill based. American football players are all juicing or they will be unemployed. It is the same for marathoners.

Originally Posted by musette

Even JU acknowledges that LA's win is fair. In his diary, JU notes: "As for Lance Armstrong, I can only say "congragulations" on a sixth Tour win. I really respect the way that he comes to the Tour in peak phyiscal condition, year after year. He stamped his authority all over this Tour and smashed the record for overall victories. **Fair play to him.** Now I just hope that Lance, Klödi and Basso all make it across the finish line in Paris in one piece, so they can properly enjoy the rewards for their exploits."

Originally Posted by musette

Even JU acknowledges that LA's win is fair. In his diary, JU notes: "As for Lance Armstrong, I can only say "congragulations" on a sixth Tour win. I really respect the way that he comes to the Tour in peak phyiscal condition, year after year. He stamped his authority all over this Tour and smashed the record for overall victories. **Fair play to him.** Now I just hope that Lance, Klödi and Basso all make it across the finish line in Paris in one piece, so they can properly enjoy the rewards for their exploits."

Originally Posted by limerickman

Ullrich's a decent person.

If you can enlighten us on the old 1992-1996 and 1998-2004 issue, it would be great.

Originally Posted by limerickman

Perhaps I should be drunk to believe LA's story like our friends here !

No - our American friend decided to go for the lowest common denominator and buy in to a stereotype of ireland.

Originally Posted by limerickman

may be I should buy in to the gun touting, country invading, stereotype of the
USA ?

Originally Posted by musette

By the same token, who can precisely explain all the reasons that JU moved from winning the TdF in 1997 to finishing second five times, and now to not even being on the podium? There are some things that are just the way they are, without artificial substances.