Tune-Up Quality

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:Ztwhc.24899$nk6.8491@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Did you tune-up include a new chain? If not, get one, Shimano please.
> >
> > I'd be interested in your reasoning for that. In my experience, SRAM
> > chains work just as well as Shimano, and replacing a chain that isn't
> > worn out accomplishes nothing at all.
>
> Actually, that brings up a very good point. You'd be amazed how many
> front-shifting problems are magically cured by replacing an SRAM chain
with
> Shimano. SRAM chains don't seem to "catch" as quickly on an upshift as
the
> Shimano chains do. Rear shifting doesn't seem to matter, but front
shifting
> can definitely be an issue with non-Shimano chains.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm the guinea pig for new chain testing at the shop,
> and have found a couple that come close, but, so far, nothing quite as
good
> as the Shimano. Too bad, since the Shimano chain is quite a bit pricier
> (although, when you can find them, an HG53 is a pretty cheap 9-speed
Shimano
> chain).
>
Interestingly, although not recommended by either shimano or sram, I mix -
shimano chain with sram power link, works well for me! I also hear the
wipperman connex link works with the shimano chain too!

ari

Bruce Graham wrote:

>In article <erod80pl7mulf52a10ftrsklgik87u1id5@4ax.com>, spamsink@cox.net
>says...
>
>
>>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:37:12 -0400, "T Scanlin"
>><magiclightpixNO.SPAM.@NO.SPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Am I expecting too much from the LBS? Is tuning an Ultegra triple that
>>>difficult?
>>>
>>>
>>No. I, a rank amateur (at best), did a fine job replacing my 105
>>double crank & derailer with Ultegra triple. I got it perfect in
>>under an hour. Works beautifully. I did it according to Barnett's,
>>the Shimano installation page that came with the parts, and
>>sheldonbrown.com.
>>--
>>Rick Onanian
>>
>>
>>
>sounds like me - 10 hours reading, 1 hour wrenching.
>
>
teach a man to fish

Sorni

ari wrote:

> teach a man to fish

....and soon his house will stink?

Bill "conclusions" S.

Rick Onanian

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:07:38 GMT, "Sorni" <sorni@bite-me.san.rr.com>
wrote:
>ari wrote:
>> teach a man to fish
>
>...and soon his house will stink?

In my case, my girlfriend's grandparents' house. I don't eat fish, I
just like to catch them.

I like Sheldon's tagline:
If you give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. If you set a man
on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

>Bill "conclusions" S.

How about a conclusion on this: How long can a pickerel stay alive
out of water? My fishing buddy caught one, but didn't want it, so I
threw it on ice with my catches for my gf's grandparents...and a few
hours later, it was still breathing.
--
Rick Onanian

Jeff Starr

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<Ztwhc.24899$nk6.8491@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...

>
> For what it's worth, I'm the guinea pig for new chain testing at the shop,
> and have found a couple that come close, but, so far, nothing quite as good
> as the Shimano. Too bad, since the Shimano chain is quite a bit pricier
> (although, when you can find them, an HG53 is a pretty cheap 9-speed Shimano
> chain).
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Hi, I have found Shimano chains, in my case the DA-7701, to have a
real wide price spread. Online the list price seems to be $28.99, but
can be found for $21.99 and I just picked up a spare for $19.99. My
LBS has them priced at $39.99. I had some Christmas GCs and wanted a
tutorial on installation, so I bought one from the LBS, with my "good
guy" discount I got it for $36. With the installation and install
lesson, I was ok with the higher price, but this is another example of
where I just can't afford to give my LBS the business regularly.
I think at around $22 they are a good value. What is the true list
price?
Life is Good!
Jeff

Qui si parla Campagnolo

I agree about shimano chains and new flexibility. If we have a bike with
shifting problems, sometimes a 105 level 9s chain will solve it. Mostly with
tired ders, front or back. Both are $20, the HG-73 and the Sram PC-59.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

David Kerber

In article <b9ff8019qd57gjno9036krrtv21i9k9o3k@4ax.com>,
spamsink@cox.net says...
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:07:38 GMT, "Sorni" <sorni@bite-me.san.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >ari wrote:
> >> teach a man to fish
> >
> >...and soon his house will stink?
>
> In my case, my girlfriend's grandparents' house. I don't eat fish, I
> just like to catch them.

I'm just the opposite; I like fish, and don't even mind cleaning them,
but fishing is not one of my favorite things. I don't actively dislike
it, but it never seems to rise high enough on the priority list for me
to actually go out and do it (at least not in the last 25 years or so).

.....

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newsgroups if possible).

Paul Kopit

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:09 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Actually, that brings up a very good point. You'd be amazed how many
>front-shifting problems are magically cured by replacing an SRAM chain with
>Shimano. SRAM chains don't seem to "catch" as quickly on an upshift as the
>Shimano chains do. Rear shifting doesn't seem to matter, but front shifting
>can definitely be an issue with non-Shimano chains.

I second your comments.

My bikes, my wife's and tandem are setup with 48 or 50/34 and front
shifting can become an issue, especially if not using rings with shift
assists. Shimano 9 chain cures a lot of slow upshifts. I use the
Shimano 9 chain for 10 sp, Campy, systems as well but gave also had
good luck with the IBD x 10 sp chain. It comes with a link but it
skips on an 11. I don't use an 11t cog but a Sram Powelink II/Gold
link works fine.

On the other end of the spectrum, I've had poor luck with the KMC
chain.

Mike Jacoubowsky

> I agree about shimano chains and new flexibility. If we have a bike with
> shifting problems, sometimes a 105 level 9s chain will solve it. Mostly
with
> tired ders, front or back. Both are $20, the HG-73 and the Sram PC-59.

Maybe I should put a page up on our website titled "Dirty little secrets
that only the mechanics know." All those things you learn over the years
that aren't in the books and possibly run contrary to popular opinion. It
is *so* frustrating when we have someone who brings in their bike for a
shifting problem, which suddenly happened when they put on a new chain, and
yet they refuse to believe the chain has anything whatsoever to do with the
issue because it's the "in" thing to use, and everybody else says it's
great.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Qui si parla Campagnolo " <vecchio51@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040422090821.25300.00000028@mb-m22.aol.com...
> I agree about shimano chains and new flexibility. If we have a bike with
> shifting problems, sometimes a 105 level 9s chain will solve it. Mostly
with
> tired ders, front or back. Both are $20, the HG-73 and the Sram PC-59.
>
> Peter Chisholm
> Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> 1833 Pearl St.
> Boulder, CO, 80302
> (303)440-3535
> http://www.vecchios.com
> "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Ned Mantei

In article <GbThc.54266$4M6.31224@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Maybe I should put a page up on our website titled "Dirty little secrets
>that only the mechanics know." All those things you learn over the years
>that aren't in the books and possibly run contrary to popular opinion. It
>is *so* frustrating when we have someone who brings in their bike for a
>shifting problem, which suddenly happened when they put on a new chain, and
>yet they refuse to believe the chain has anything whatsoever to do with the
>issue because it's the "in" thing to use, and everybody else says it's
>great.
>

My 1997 Aarios (Swiss brand) touring bike with XT derailleurs would
*only* work with Shimano chains. A Sachs chain (predecessor to Sram)
would always be 1/2 turn of the adjuster away from either proper
upshifting or proper downshifting. There was no adjustment that would do
both consistently.
The newer Sram chains now work fine, however, and the "powerlink" is
convenient.

--
Ned Mantei
Department of Cell Biology, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
CH-8093 Zurich, Switzerland

Rick Onanian

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:09:57 -0400, David Kerber
<ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote:
>spamsink@cox.net says...
>> In my case, my girlfriend's grandparents' house. I don't eat fish, I
>> just like to catch them.
>
>I'm just the opposite; I like fish, and don't even mind cleaning them,
>but fishing is not one of my favorite things. I don't actively dislike
>it, but it never seems to rise high enough on the priority list for me
>to actually go out and do it (at least not in the last 25 years or so).

Do you like freshwater fish? I'd love to have a local person to give
my catch (a rare occurrence, for sure) to when I'm at this end of
the state. In fact, I caught those trout only 5 or 10 minutes from
your house.

They do tend to get a bit destroyed when I have trouble removing the
well-swallowed hook, but I bought a really cool hook remover that
should improve that problem.
--
Rick Onanian

A Muzi

Paul Kopit wrote:
-snip-
> On the other end of the spectrum, I've had poor luck with the KMC
> chain.

We use a lot of KMC Ten - what sort of unluckiness?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Mike-<< It
is *so* frustrating when we have someone who brings in their bike for a
shifting problem, which suddenly happened when they put on a new chain, and
yet they refuse to believe the chain has anything whatsoever to do with the
issue because it's the "in" thing to use, and everybody else says it's
great. >><BR><BR>

Retail frustrating!!!!

Say it ain't so!!!


Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Richard Chan

jstarr@peoplepc.com (Jeff Starr) wrote in message news:<10c5841f.0404220507.412e11d7@posting.google.com>...

> Hi, I have found Shimano chains, in my case the DA-7701, to have a
> real wide price spread. ...>

Absolutely. My example is not typical. I bought 5 DA9 chains from a
sponsor racer for $13 each shipped. My point is, if you have the
patience and know-how, you can buy components below retail.