Which home truing stand to buy???

bball@NOSoperamail.com

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:01:06 GMT, Dan Burkhart
<usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:

>Zilla wrote:
> > I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand. I don't
> > generally build wheels but would want to true the ones I have. Which
> > would be best?
> > http://tinyurl.com/37ewhhttp://tinyurl.com/37ewh[/url], or
> > http://tinyurl.com/2y83r"]http://tinyurl.com/2y83r, or
> > http://tinyurl.com/3flq8http://tinyurl.com/3flq8
> > The Spin Doctor and the Minoura look very similar in design. One mtbr
> > review for the Park tool complains about cheap parts in spite of the
> > sturdy frame.
> > --
> > - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)
>
>
>
> This is one item on which I economised, and later wished I hadn't. I
> have the Park TS7, and the lack of incrimental control, and general
> lack of sturdyness made me regret not spending the extra coin for the
> professional model. Oh well, live and learn, eh?

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I find the Spin Doctor truing stand entirely satisfactory for wheel
truing. The flip-up plate edge is great for roundness, the rounded
rubber nubs move in to the rimsides on both sides. Dish is easily
determined by placing the wheel in the bike frame and centering there,
between the chainstays, where the wheel is actually going to be in
use.

Optimal is the truing stand atop a picnic table, a couple of beers
near at hand, something white (e.g. an old t-shirt) behind the
workview. The nubs can be adjusted in to just barely touching;
alternately one side and the other. A comfortable seat, line of sight
in the sunshine, nice spoke wrench, a few swills of beer, one Zens
into a very nice wheel of roundness, tension, lateral trueness in
short order.

Since the applied forces involved in wheel truing are quite gentle,
one doesn't need a heavy duty frame for the process. The Spin
Doctor/Minoura folds up for easy/handy storage.

On those occasions when you discover a flat at home and you dismount
the tire and tube, you can, within 10-min, flip out the truing stand
and get your wheel back on the nose if needed.

Handy, easy to work with, good results, inexpensive. Werks fer me.

Bruce Ball
Colo Spgs

James Thomson

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> Ride bike! Know thine enemy before arming yourself.

Thyself, surely.

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Alex Rodriguez

In article <hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand.
>I don't generally build wheels but would want to true
>the ones I have. Which would be best?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or
> http://tinyurl.com/2y83r, or
> http://tinyurl.com/3flq8
>
>The Spin Doctor and the Minoura look very similar
>in design. One mtbr review for the Park tool complains
>about cheap parts in spite of the sturdy frame.

I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura, which is the
same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but it is so light weight it
moves around too much when working on a wheel. The park is over priced
for what you get, so I would not bother with it either. Minoura makes
another folding stand that costs the same, or possiblly a bit less, than
the on in the link above. It has a bigger base, so it is more stable and
works as well as that stand.
--------------
Alex

Alex Rodriguez

In article <u21380h2sct118eieu52lccevtl5vjfcqn@4ax.com>, spamsink@cox.net
says...

>What do you think about not using a truing stand at all? In The
>Bicycle Wheel, I got the impression that it's no big deal to just
>use the bicycle as a truing stand, and I intend to attempt a wheel
>build soon.

This is true, but a stand is more convenient.
-------------
Alex

Alex Rodriguez

In article <c6134l$gns$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, adr5@columbia.edu says...
>In article <hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
>zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
>>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand.
>>I don't generally build wheels but would want to true
>>the ones I have. Which would be best?
>> http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or
>> http://tinyurl.com/2y83r, or
>> http://tinyurl.com/3flq8
>>The Spin Doctor and the Minoura look very similar
>>in design. One mtbr review for the Park tool complains
>>about cheap parts in spite of the sturdy frame.

>I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura, which is the
>same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but it is so light weight it
>moves around too much when working on a wheel. The park is over priced
>for what you get, so I would not bother with it either. Minoura makes
>another folding stand that costs the same, or possiblly a bit less, than
>the on in the link above. It has a bigger base, so it is more stable and
>works as well as that stand.

Sorry to follow up my own post, but I found a link with the minoura stand
I was referring to. Go to http://www.minoura.jp/index-et.html and scroll
down to the T-817 stand. It is cheaper too.
-------------
Alex

David Kerber

In article <u21380h2sct118eieu52lccevtl5vjfcqn@4ax.com>,
spamsink@cox.net says...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:04:43 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
> wrote:
> >My problem with these stande is that they assume they are standing on
> >a table near eye level. I have a couple of donated stands that can be
> >used standing on the floor where I can drop a wheel in and do a quick
> >tuneup. I don't think I've worked on a wheel on a table except in
> >someone's bicycle shop where the stand was a permanent fixture.
>
> What do you think about not using a truing stand at all? In The
> Bicycle Wheel, I got the impression that it's no big deal to just
> use the bicycle as a truing stand, and I intend to attempt a wheel
> build soon.

I've used that method several times to get wheels halfway decently
trued, but it's more difficult to get that last little but of wobble
out, because it's more difficult to see exactly where the high spots are
against the brake pads than it would be with a stand and its narrow
probes right in front of you. If 1-2mm is good enough for you, then you
should be fine working on the bike.

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"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:c613gi$gns$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <c6134l$gns$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, adr5@columbia.edu
says...
> >In article <hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
> >zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
> >>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand.
> >>I don't generally build wheels but would want to true
> >>the ones I have. Which would be best?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2y83r, or
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3flq8
> >>The Spin Doctor and the Minoura look very similar
> >>in design. One mtbr review for the Park tool complains
> >>about cheap parts in spite of the sturdy frame.
>
> >I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura, which is the
> >same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but it is so light weight it
> >moves around too much when working on a wheel. The park is over priced
> >for what you get, so I would not bother with it either. Minoura makes
> >another folding stand that costs the same, or possiblly a bit less, than
> >the on in the link above. It has a bigger base, so it is more stable and
> >works as well as that stand.
>
> Sorry to follow up my own post, but I found a link with the minoura stand
> I was referring to. Go to http://www.minoura.jp/index-et.html and scroll
> down to the T-817 stand. It is cheaper too.
> -------------
> Alex
>

I have the Minoura Workman Pro, and I agree. Unless it is secured, it does
move around too much. Other than that, I like it.

What other have said about needing a dishing tool is true... even if the
stand has some sort of self-centering.

HTH

Chris Zacho The Wheelman

>Re: Which home truing stand to buy???
>
>
>Group: rec.bicycles.tech
>Date: Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 11:47pm
>(EDT+4)
>From: jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
>
>Chris Zacho writes:
>
>>>My problem with these stands is that
>>>they assume they are standing on a
>>>table near eye level. I have a couple of
>>>donated stands that can be used
>>>standing on the floor where I can drop a
>>>wheel in and do a quick tuneup. I don't
>>>think I've worked on a wheel on a table
>>>except in someone's bicycle shop
>>>where the stand was a permanent
>>>fixture.

>>True, but that could be said for other
>>stands too. and the S.D. can be
>>permanently mounted, there is even a
>>predrilled bolt hole in the base for this
>>purpose.

>>I'm not saying it's the best thing going,
>>but for the price *and I doubt our poster
>>is in the market for a $200 T stand). it's
>>got a lot going for it!

>Can't we just leave the spelling of the
>title alone? We don't need no steenkin
>second threads on this subject.

>You need a newsreader that
>automatically copies the header of the
>posting to which you are responding.

As in the above? I tend to delete the unnecessary bandwidth wasting
stuff. Sorry if that bothers you.

>There are a bunch of these slightly
>altered subject lines appearing these
>days.

I have seen altered posts from many responders, present company
included. Grow up. not everybody's newsreader is going to be exactly
like yours nor meet your precise specifications.

>Please keep it simple and bottom
>respond so there are no
>misinterpretations of who said what and
>when, otherwise its like having the index
>at the front and the foreword at the back
>of a book.

>Jobst Brandt

"Bottom respond"? You mean don't top post? Read it again Jobst, you
obviously missed something. My response IS on the bottom, and almost
always is, unless the original post is simply to long and difficult to
"clip" the relevant pieces from.

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And a really low gear for the hills!"

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jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Chris Zacho writes:

>>>> My problem with these stands is that they assume they are
>>>> standing on a table near eye level. I have a couple of donated
>>>> stands that can be used standing on the floor where I can drop a
>>>> wheel in and do a quick tuneup. I don't think I've worked on a
>>>> wheel on a table except in someone's bicycle shop where the stand
>>>> was a permanent fixture.

>>> True, but that could be said for other stands too. and the
>>> S.D. can be permanently mounted, there is even a predrilled bolt
>>> hole in the base for this purpose.

>>> I'm not saying it's the best thing going, but for the price *and I
>>> doubt our poster is in the market for a $200 T stand). it's got a
>>> lot going for it!

>> Can't we just leave the spelling of the title alone? We don't need
>> no steenkin second threads on this subject.

>> You need a newsreader that automatically copies the header of the
>> posting to which you are responding.

> As in the above? I tend to delete the unnecessary bandwidth wasting
> stuff. Sorry if that bothers you.

You may not have noticed it but you initiated into a thread called:

Which home trueing stand to buy???

from:

Which home truing stand to buy???

>> There are a bunch of these slightly altered subject lines appearing
>> these days.

> I have seen altered posts from many responders, present company
> included. Grow up. Not everybody's newsreader is going to be
> exactly like yours nor meet your precise specifications.

No. I mean the title, not the text. See above. I guess you didn't
notice that you started a new thread by responding with a different
spelling of "truing". In my response, I reverted to the original and
the inclusion of your misplaced posting made it appear seamless...
although your response didn't actually appear under that thread.

>> Please keep it simple and bottom respond so there are no
>> misinterpretations of who said what and when, otherwise its like
>> having the index at the front and the foreword at the back of a
>> book.

> "Bottom respond"? You mean don't top post? Read it again Jobst,
> you obviously missed something. My response IS on the bottom, and
> almost always is, unless the original post is simply to long and
> difficult to "clip" the relevant pieces from.

Changing subject spelling and top responses are all part of
misunderstanding how threaded newsreading goes. I also don't
understand how a reply to a thread from:

>>>> He said,
>>> She said.
>> You said

gets changed to:

> > >> He said.
> > > She said.
> > You said.
>etc

That seems to me to take some doing. Fortunately my newsreader and
text editor can fix that in a jiffy, as well as over- and under-length
lines.

Jobst Brandt
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org