Another decade gone. Time to repaint again...

Alex Rodriguez

In article <29688-40808C59-86@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>,
ChriszCorner@webtv.net says...
>
>
>This time I'm toying with the idea of a "color-change" paint job. The
>type that is one color when viewed from one angle, and a different color
>when the angle is changed. And I have some questions about it before I
>decide.
>
>1. I have only seen this on certain bikes
> (Cannondale?). is it a patented
> process, therefore unavailable to the
> general public? If not;

If it is patented, it doesn't belong to Cannondale. I've see a couple of
cars with this type of paint job. The one I recall was green and purple.
As the car came up besides you it was green and then the color changed to
purple as it went away. I would not paint my car in those colors, but
to each his own.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez

In article <5b6dnb4djaHEDx3dRVn-vw@comcast.com>, davetspokane1@comcast.net
says...

>Serotta uses a color-shifting paint they call Harlequin & Klein has their
>version. I've seen similar paint jobs on Chrysler and Ford products. Go to
>an automotive paint suplly store (PPG comes to mind). I do know that this
>type of paint is VERY expensive. I believe enough to do a car is close to
>$1000!

For a car, $1k to do a good paint job is actually cheap.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez

In article <YJdgc.62047$7g1.45035@fe30.usenetserver.com>,
usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...

>I disagree. Auto painters don't know what they are doing with bike
>frames and could really screw up something like what the OP is wanting
>to get done. Auto painter + bike frame = paint recipe for disaster.

Disaster??? Assuming they strip the frame properly, what is the worst they
can do? Get paint on the threads? Easily fixed with a tap.
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Alex

David Kerber

In article <c61280$gns$5@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, adr5@columbia.edu
says...
> In article <5b6dnb4djaHEDx3dRVn-vw@comcast.com>, davetspokane1@comcast.net
> says...
>
> >Serotta uses a color-shifting paint they call Harlequin & Klein has their
> >version. I've seen similar paint jobs on Chrysler and Ford products. Go to
> >an automotive paint suplly store (PPG comes to mind). I do know that this
> >type of paint is VERY expensive. I believe enough to do a car is close to
> >$1000!
>
> For a car, $1k to do a good paint job is actually cheap.

He was saying just the paint itself is $1k, not including having the
work done.


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S o r n i

Anyone else see this as time to REPENT again?!?

No? Never mind...

Bill "therapy bound?" S.

Dan Daniel

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:31:10 -0400, Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu>
wrote:

>In article <YJdgc.62047$7g1.45035@fe30.usenetserver.com>,
>usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...
>
>>I disagree. Auto painters don't know what they are doing with bike
>>frames and could really screw up something like what the OP is wanting
>>to get done. Auto painter + bike frame = paint recipe for disaster.
>
>Disaster??? Assuming they strip the frame properly, what is the worst they
>can do? Get paint on the threads? Easily fixed with a tap.
>---------------
>Alex

What can go wrong- runs, drips, overspray, uneven paint thickness when
dealing with pigments sensitive to this, bad timing with catalyzed
paints because of the intricacies in painting a frame.... And all of
this assumes good prep work on the stripped frame.

My work involves painting lots of things, from panels to intricate
industrial prototypes. Using all sorts of paints over the years. A
bicycle frame is *the* most difficult thing I have painted. The
combination of tubes, angles, and intersections is a huge series of
places to make mistakes. I've done four frames so far; I figure
another four to six frames and I'll have it figured out.

Not to say that any specific auto body painter isn't capable. But I'd
be careful. There are some serious differences between painting a car
and painting a bicycle.

Rob Weinstock

> >Disaster??? Assuming they strip the frame properly, what is the worst they
> >can do? Get paint on the threads? Easily fixed with a tap.
> >---------------
> >Alex
>
> What can go wrong- runs, drips, overspray, uneven paint thickness when
> dealing with pigments sensitive to this, bad timing with catalyzed
> paints because of the intricacies in painting a frame.... And all of
> this assumes good prep work on the stripped frame.
>
> My work involves painting lots of things, from panels to intricate
> industrial prototypes. Using all sorts of paints over the years. A
> bicycle frame is *the* most difficult thing I have painted. The
> combination of tubes, angles, and intersections is a huge series of
> places to make mistakes. I've done four frames so far; I figure
> another four to six frames and I'll have it figured out.
>
> Not to say that any specific auto body painter isn't capable. But I'd
> be careful. There are some serious differences between painting a car
> and painting a bicycle.

I'm having very good results with simple Duplicolor automotive spray
paints. They come premixed in a plain old spray can. You can choose
between lacquer (more color choices), and enamel (more durable, but
fewer colors). No urethanes available from Duplicolor. I went with
lacquer, based on available color choice. An auto paint shop will also
mix paint and package it in a spray can for you.

You CAN get very good results if you take your time and prepare well.

So far it looks great, cost $30 for materials. I'll have to see how it
holds up to paint chips.

Regards,

Rob

A Muzi

> In article <YJdgc.62047$7g1.45035@fe30.usenetserver.com>,
> usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...
>>I disagree. Auto painters don't know what they are doing with bike
>>frames and could really screw up something like what the OP is wanting
>>to get done. Auto painter + bike frame = paint recipe for disaster.

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> Disaster??? Assuming they strip the frame properly, what is the worst they
> can do? Get paint on the threads? Easily fixed with a tap.


In a rare moment of Bacardi offering something useful (
albeit inappropriate to the thread), he had a point.

Guys who are used to shooting panels have a hard time
spraying tubes without a combination of _both_ orange peel
and sag. It's a very different technique. Not impossible -
I've done both - but you get used to one style and it's
really hard to change over.

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

David Wuertele

Chris> This time I'm toying with the idea of a "color-change" paint
Chris> job. The type that is one color when viewed from one angle, and
Chris> a different color when the angle is changed.

How about one which is reflective?

http://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-bartape.jpg
http://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-bartape-flash.jpg

(make sure to look at them in order!)

Took me about fifteen hours and $30 worth of reflective tape.

Dave

BaCardi

David Wuertele wrote:
> Chris> This time I'm toying with the idea of a "color- change" paint
> Chris> job. The type that is one color when viewed from one angle, and a
> Chris> different color when the angle is changed.
> How about one which is reflective?
> http://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-
> bartape.jpghttp://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-bartape.jpg[/url] http://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-bartape-
> "]http://tdf04.net/blog/photo/with-pump-bartape- flash.jpg
> (make sure to look at them in order!)
> Took me about fifteen hours and $30 worth of reflective tape.
> Dave





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dan baker

ChriszCorner@webtv.net (Chris Zacho "The Wheelman") wrote in message news:<29688-40808C59-86@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>...
> This time I'm toying with the idea of a "color-change" paint job.
> 2. How expensive?
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depends... you can spray it yourself, but it won't be very durable
unless you also are good at clear-coating. paints are available in a
can at places like:
http://www.hobbytron.net/RC-Car-Bodies-Paints.html

autopainter can also do it, but may not have the right nozzles, etc
for small tubes compared to panels they usually do.

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