Terrorist cyclists selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive

cfsmtb

Brilliant! Now the rest of you stop being neurotic, do something useful. Make yourself busy, I’ve had enough of that bliz-blam , him-ham already. GET TO THE BLOODY POINT!!!*


*humble apologies to Monty Burns.

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John L

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:11:16 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
<alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote:

>"John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:hgslf0lf14c2v3cuf5c9qat4kh6mdircho@4ax.com...
>> Your point, troll ?
>>
>> John L.
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
>> <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>
>I'm not the troll.

Alan

I realise that, my post was aimed at D R Sole. I included your post
to follow in context. It can become confusing, but it's become my
policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
lesson in manners :-)

John L.

cfsmtb

For and Against 4WD's - From The Age - Letters July 19, 2004

4WDs - the embodiment of hyper-materialism

The recent backlash against four-wheel-drive or sports utility vehicles (A3, 13/7) is most certainly justified, however it focuses mainly on environmental and safety concerns.

What is not mentioned is the utter self-indulgence and excess that these vehicles represent.

SUVs are an embodiment of the hyper-materialism so prevalent in today's society. No longer can car-buyers be content with an economic, modest vehicle; they now demand the biggest and the best, citing it as a lifestyle choice.

The actual specifications of the vehicle seem to matter little; it is simply the superficial need to own one that does matter. This type of materialism is no longer just the desire to own physical things, it is now the desire to own an abstract notion of "lifestyle" - something that goes beyond practicality and is purely and simply cosmetic.

What sort of lifestyle is a suburban family with two children hoping to suggest to others when they drive around in these menacing machines?

There is nothing wrong with people "utilising" them in the manner for which they are intended - sports-style driving on rough terrain - but using them to pick up the kids from school or to go shopping is plainly ridiculous.

No one should be condemned for their choice of lifestyle and everyone has the right to consumer choice.

However, when this is motivated by such meaningless desire, and has such a powerfully negative effect on the environment and road safety, restrictions need to be put in place. It is a sad sign of the times when we see people choosing cars based on purely artificial marketing concepts such as lifestyle.

Do you really need that much metal?
Lawson Fletcher, Torquay

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In defence of four-wheel-drives

Let's look at some facts: four-wheel-drives made up 18.1 per cent of passenger sales in 2003, up 1.1 per cent from the previous year, and they have fewer accidents than other passenger cars per kilometre/vehicle travelled. They pay less import duty than passenger cars, but this was part of the Button Plan to rationalise import taxes.

Seventy-five per cent of four-wheel-drives are in the compact class, ergo they use less fuel than a standard passenger car. Drivers have better vision and fewer accidents as a result. It is true that four-wheel-drives are more likely to roll over than other cars, but only if they are driven at dangerous speeds around corners.

Also, a four-wheel-drive has a lot of step-up room, and can carry the kids, the netball team and the shopping. Best of all, it can tow the boat, horse float, caravan and finally, if you choose the dream, you too can travel all over Victoria in it and even venture into the wilds of Australia.
Michael Coldham, president,
Four Wheel Drive Victoria, Greythorn

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rickster

"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:<cdeufb$tks$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:hgslf0lf14c2v3cuf5c9qat4kh6mdircho@4ax.com
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:31:07 +1000, "DRS"
> > <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:
> >> "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> news:hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> >>> "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> >>>> Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
> >>>
> >>> Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
> >>> coward) post from their server...
> >>
> >> Your point, caller?
>
> > Your point, troll ?
>
> Don't employ rhetoric you don't understand, fuckwit.

DRS you will fight valianlty to defend bottom posting and net
ettiquite, but will, without pause, respond to a blatant troll. Top
posting a no-no, engaging in OT flame wars a yes-yes ?

You know, you can just ignore them ?

flyingdutch

Ooooh, i want the same drugs he's on! His 'reality' is so mouch better...


They might have a better vantage point, but do you think they are 'LOOKING' !?!?


Sadly untrue. many 4WDs have the same if not less interior room than a conform-adore!



These would be the same 'compact' 4WDs capable of such miraculous feats(?) would it???

Trivia. MC lives a few blocks away from me and is notorious in the area for running red lights in his 4WTruck when 'nobody is a around'.
Even thinks it OK to drive thru the greythorn primary school crossing.

Letter has gone to the Age...

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cfsmtb

Quote:Originally Posted by cfsmtb
In defence of four-wheel-drives. Let's look at some facts: ....Seventy-five per cent of four-wheel-drives are in the compact class, ergo they use less fuel than a standard passenger car.



Bad pun, but add a "t" onto "ergo".

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Dave@fnq

Blah blah blah....

>>In busy, crowded inner-city streets, confronting behaviour
>> by cyclists is making life hell for both pedestrians and motorists.

snip.....

>> Jenny Ward, Erskineville, July 16.

Why would anyone want to move to Erko and keep their car!? Erskineville for
fucks sake!
This is the suburb that has the least amount of green-space per-person in
all of Australia!
And why are all these streets crowded? I only wish is was because of
cyclists. The roads in this old suburb were never meant for cars, they are
mostly not much wider than goat tracks. Even the fire brigade has been known
to sideswipe cars to get to calls because of all the selfish car owners who
leave them no other option.
It is an easy walking distance (within 1 km) of 4 train stations (on 2
diffeent lines) and goodness knows how many bus routes.
I bet she has the inner-city car mentality of insisting on parking right out
the front of her place too (as if she owns the parking rights).

Now please tell me this was some sort of troll.

Dave

flyingdutch

"tergo" ???

"ertgo"

oh, i get it....

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Richard Sherratt

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:35:06 +1000, flyingdutch
<flyingdutch.19mhw1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> Best of all, it can tow the boat, horse float, caravan and finally, if
>> you choose the dream, you too can travel all over Victoria in it and
>> even venture into the wilds of Australia.
>> Michael Coldham, president,
>> Four Wheel Drive Victoria, Greythorn
>
>These would be the same 'compact' 4WDs capable of such miraculous
>feats(?) would it???
>
>Trivia. MC lives a few blocks away from me and is notorious in the area
>for running red lights in his 4WTruck when 'nobody is a around'.
>Even thinks it OK to drive thru the greythorn primary school crossing.
>
>Letter has gone to the Age...

Looking forward to that <veg>

<begin generalisation>
Around here the mums drive their children to school in 4WDs because
it's not safe for them to walk or ride because of all the 4WDs near
the schools.
</generalisation>

And they're not crappy little so called 'compact 4WDs' either. Big
things with names like Lexus GX470 and slightly smaller things with
names like Cayenne.


--
Regards.
Richard.

marcusl

Ritcho

Ms Wards letter also appeared in that most reputable of papers - ie. The Daily Telegraph...so make sure you send your brilliant reply to them as well. I was thinking of replying myself, but don't think i could improve on yours!

marcus

ritcho

News and Fairfax running the same letter to the ed? Don't they get enough garbage in their inboxes?

Ritch.

PS. Cheers!

rickster

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> > > "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> > > > Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
> > >
> > > Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
> coward)
> > > post from their server...
> >
> > WTF ? Has he done something wrong to deserve this mini-spray ? He
> > just posted a letter from a news paper and offered no remarks to label
> > him a coward ? Or have you two got a prior thing going and are just
> > looking for a bit of flaming and trolling ?
>
> Ahh, I see you're also posting from google...

Ahh, I see you're not....

rickster

"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<ylEKc.6976$K53.5407@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> "rickster" <rdj1969@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:<hQwKc.6614$K53.189@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > "captainmaniscalco" <captainmaniscalco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8dbea231.0407180619.19d17b0f@posting.google.com...
> > > > Letter to the Editor of Sydney Morning Herald 19/7/04
> > >
> > > Don't you just love google? They'll let anyone (even an anonymous
> coward)
> > > post from their server...
> >
> > WTF ? Has he done something wrong to deserve this mini-spray ? He
> > just posted a letter from a news paper and offered no remarks to label
> > him a coward ? Or have you two got a prior thing going and are just
> > looking for a bit of flaming and trolling ?
>
> Ahh, I see you're also posting from google...

Ahh, I see you're not....

aeek

The papers don't select letters for their sense, lunacy is more newsworthy.

Likewise, the Canberra Times is running the bikelanes are dangerous letters.