Issues with folding bicycles on European trains?

kingsley

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:30:01 +0000, hippy wrote:

> From RACV's RoyalAuto magazine:
>
> "Traffic in central London averages 4.6km/h, according to a study.
> Roadworks and traffic calming schemes have reduced speeds to as low as
> 2.5km/h on some routes"

Yeah, but it's probably like Sydney:

Sit at lights for 1 minute, drive 90km/h over 10 seconds
to the next set... still gives you a low average speed, but
don't make it safe.

I think alot of people see 'traffic calming' devices as
some sort of auto-obsticle-course to be taken as fast
as possible.

The only reall traffic calmer has a blue light on top.

-kt

David Damerell

Andrew Webster <awebster@littleheath.org.uk> wrote:
>David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>Bear in mind that you may use the surface Tube lines outside the rush hour
>>with an unfolded bike; most of the major railway terminuses are on or
>>within walking distance of the Circle Line.
>A bit of a contradiction in terms here. The shallow underground lines
>are not "tube", but of cut-and-cover construction.

I know that (although I realise other rbt readers may not); indeed,
outside central London (as you know) the surface lines are above the
surface in many places.

_But_ it's all the big-T Tube even where it's not a small-t tube; just as
it is the big-U Underground even when it is not little-u underground.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?

Andrew Webster

David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message news:<+PA*BQfoq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>...
> Andrew Webster <awebster@littleheath.org.uk> wrote:
> >David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>Bear in mind that you may use the surface Tube lines outside the rush hour
> >>with an unfolded bike; most of the major railway terminuses are on or
> >>within walking distance of the Circle Line.
> >A bit of a contradiction in terms here. The shallow underground lines
> >are not "tube", but of cut-and-cover construction.
>
> I know that (although I realise other rbt readers may not); indeed,
> outside central London (as you know) the surface lines are above the
> surface in many places.
>
> _But_ it's all the big-T Tube even where it's not a small-t tube; just as
> it is the big-U Underground even when it is not little-u underground.

You are right, the capitalisation makes all the difference!

Andrew Webster

Andrew Webster

David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message news:<+PA*BQfoq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>...
> Andrew Webster <awebster@littleheath.org.uk> wrote:
> >David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>Bear in mind that you may use the surface Tube lines outside the rush hour
> >>with an unfolded bike; most of the major railway terminuses are on or
> >>within walking distance of the Circle Line.
> >A bit of a contradiction in terms here. The shallow underground lines
> >are not "tube", but of cut-and-cover construction.
>
> I know that (although I realise other rbt readers may not); indeed,
> outside central London (as you know) the surface lines are above the
> surface in many places.
>
> _But_ it's all the big-T Tube even where it's not a small-t tube; just as
> it is the big-U Underground even when it is not little-u underground.

I'll quote from http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/lu-summary.htm just
to support my argument...

The name "tube" appeared early in the 20th century when the deep level
lines first opened with their small diameter tunnels. It is now often
used (incorrectly) by the general public to mean any Underground line.
"I'll take the Tube" is an expression commonly heard in London. The
sub surface lines are the Circle, District, East London, Hammersmith &
City and Metropolitan Lines. Only the others, the Bakerloo, Central,
Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City Lines are
true tube lines.


....but clearly you are right here, the capitalisation makes all the
difference!

Andrew Webster

Tumbleweed

"Andrew Webster" <awebster@littleheath.org.uk> wrote in message
news:6f3aac0b.0406301303.1da04daa@posting.google.com...
> David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:<+PA*BQfoq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>...
> > Andrew Webster <awebster@littleheath.org.uk> wrote:
> > >David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>Bear in mind that you may use the surface Tube lines outside the rush
hour
> > >>with an unfolded bike; most of the major railway terminuses are on or
> > >>within walking distance of the Circle Line.
> > >A bit of a contradiction in terms here. The shallow underground lines
> > >are not "tube", but of cut-and-cover construction.
> >
> > I know that (although I realise other rbt readers may not); indeed,
> > outside central London (as you know) the surface lines are above the
> > surface in many places.
> >
> > _But_ it's all the big-T Tube even where it's not a small-t tube; just
as
> > it is the big-U Underground even when it is not little-u underground.
>
> I'll quote from http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/lu-summary.htm just
> to support my argument...
>
> The name "tube" appeared early in the 20th century when the deep level
> lines first opened with their small diameter tunnels. It is now often
> used (incorrectly) by the general public to mean any Underground line.

Common useage defines what is 'incorrect'. In this case, you are :-)

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Peter File

> The name "tube" appeared early in the 20th century when the deep level
> lines first opened with their small diameter tunnels. It is now often
> used (incorrectly) by the general public to mean any Underground line.
> "I'll take the Tube" is an expression commonly heard in London. The
> sub surface lines are the Circle, District, East London, Hammersmith &
> City and Metropolitan Lines. Only the others, the Bakerloo, Central,
> Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City Lines are
> true tube lines.

Right I'll remember that on my next trip from Harrow on the Hill to
Waterloo.
'Im taking the surface/cut'n'cover to Baker St and then the tube to
Waterloo'

Roger Hughes

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:58:43 +0100, "Peter File"
<ted_maul_is_god@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> The name "tube" appeared early in the 20th century when the deep level
>> lines first opened with their small diameter tunnels. It is now often
>> used (incorrectly) by the general public to mean any Underground line.
>> "I'll take the Tube" is an expression commonly heard in London. The
>> sub surface lines are the Circle, District, East London, Hammersmith &
>> City and Metropolitan Lines. Only the others, the Bakerloo, Central,
>> Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City Lines are
>> true tube lines.
>
>Right I'll remember that on my next trip from Harrow on the Hill to
>Waterloo.
>'Im taking the surface/cut'n'cover to Baker St and then the tube to
>Waterloo'
>

Naah, you want to change to the Fleet Line at Finchley Road.

Colin Blackburn

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:28:57 +0100, Roger Hughes
<roger@hughes-USUALANTISPAMSTUFF-translations.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:58:43 +0100, "Peter File"
> <ted_maul_is_god@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Right I'll remember that on my next trip from Harrow on the Hill to
>> Waterloo.
>> 'Im taking the surface/cut'n'cover to Baker St and then the tube to
>> Waterloo'
>>
>
> Naah, you want to change to the Fleet Line at Finchley Road.

Green Park.

Colin

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:24:48 +0100, "Colin Blackburn"
<colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
<opsage7mm9yxrafp@nntphost.dur.ac.uk>:

>Finchley Road.
>Green Park.

Ealing Broadway, and Colin, you're in Spoon so the double reverse is
blocked.

Guy
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David Martin

On 1/7/04 11:31 am, in article ttp7e0dnp8fq9o7raptb8ovleflaejpo3n@4ax.com,
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:24:48 +0100, "Colin Blackburn"
> <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
> <opsage7mm9yxrafp@nntphost.dur.ac.uk>:

>> Finchley Road.
>> Green Park.

> Ealing Broadway, and Colin, you're in Spoon so the double reverse is
> blocked.

If I used Sheldon's shuffle I could go via Euston and then claim Mornington
Crescent? I suppose it depends whether you are doing the city line as top
tube, seat tube or down tube..

...d

Dave Larrington

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> Ealing Broadway, and Colin, you're in Spoon so the double reverse is
> blocked.

Agh! Quick, use Spoonguard!!

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Miguel Cruz

Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.chapman+usenet-reply@spamcop.net> wrote:
> "Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Finchley Road.
>> Green Park.
>
> Ealing Broadway, and Colin, you're in Spoon so the double reverse is
> blocked.

Nice try. There's no Spoon until someone's passed through Tooting Bec.

miguel
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James Silverton

"Peter File" <ted_maul_is_god@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ki223F2klejU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > The name "tube" appeared early in the 20th century when the deep
level
> > lines first opened with their small diameter tunnels. It is now
often
> > used (incorrectly) by the general public to mean any Underground
line.
> > "I'll take the Tube" is an expression commonly heard in London.
The
> > sub surface lines are the Circle, District, East London,
Hammersmith &
> > City and Metropolitan Lines. Only the others, the Bakerloo,
Central,
> > Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City Lines
are
> > true tube lines.
>
> Right I'll remember that on my next trip from Harrow on the Hill to
> Waterloo.
> 'Im taking the surface/cut'n'cover to Baker St and then the tube to
> Waterloo'
>
>

This brings back memories! On my first visit to London, as a boy of 11
more years ago than I am going to admit, I asked a very proper City
type with umbrella and Derby (Bowler?) where was the nearest Tube
Station. He assumed a puzzled expression in then said in a superior
fashion, "Oh, you mean the Underground Station!"


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

Whingin' Pom

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:41:53 GMT, Miguel Cruz <spam@un.u.nu> ()
wrote:

>Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.chapman+usenet-reply@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> "Colin Blackburn" <colin.blackburn@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Finchley Road.
>>> Green Park.
>>
>> Ealing Broadway, and Colin, you're in Spoon so the double reverse is
>> blocked.
>
>Nice try. There's no Spoon until someone's passed through Tooting Bec.

Dollis Hill.


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Matt K
Waikikamukau,NZ