Drug scandal rocks Australian cycling

Shane Stanley

In article <m5gBc.67492$mX2.28318@fe15.usenetserver.com>,
hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:

> Why doesn't a hobby farmer pay tax? Same reason a cyclist or javelin
> thrower doesn't - they are not doing it for the income?

No -- it's more related to the level of income. The gap between income
and related cost is seen as not worth worrying about.

Keep in mind that once you start getting taxed, you also get to claim
related expenses.

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Shane Stanley

Shane Stanley

In article <m5gBc.67493$mX2.58543@fe15.usenetserver.com>,
hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:

> Mmm maybe if you follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys
> have a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or not
> taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I know which option
> most will choose..

Right: they'll probably cheat too. But it's still cheating. They become
part of the reason others who don't take drugs don't make it to the top.

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Shane Stanley

Shabby

hippy wrote:
> >Originally posted by Shane Stanley
> >> hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> >> Is it still cheating if everyone is doing it?
> >
> >Yes.
> Mmm maybe if you follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys
> have a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or not
> taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I know which option
> most will choose..
> hippy



The "everyone else is doing it" argument is a simple way of
rationalising the fact that you're cheating and don't have the talent to
compete at the top level.

It's sad that cycling doesn't make the front page of the Age when
Aussies win world championships on home soil, but does when drugs are
found at the AIS.



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Tamyka Bell

hippy wrote:
>
> >Originally posted by L'Acrobat
> >>Someone else wrote: you're right. You shouldn't have to pay HECS
> >>either. Education is a community investment.
> >
> >That depends on the course. A great many in the community resent paying
> >tax so some pretentious git can do a "gender studies" course that will
> >return nothing to the community.
>
> So... where do I enrol for gender studies? Do I get to pick the
> gender? ;-D
>
> hippy
>
> --
You can do gender studies online for free at your local library branch.
Welcome to self-education people, it's cheap and all you need is a brain
that works well enough to separate reality from fiction. Given that
there are some uni courses with poor graduate job outcomes, and some
courses that are basically a few academics telling the students which
books and web sites to read, that resentment is a little understandable.
I don't resent funding education but I do resent the devaluing of uni
degrees as a result of every high school student being pretty much
forced into uni (i.e. by being made to feel inadequate without a
degree). So now to get a job from your degree requires you to graduate
with a top GPA instead of just passing, etc., because of the viewpoint
that "everyone goes to uni".

But if we're going to talk about that kind of stuff well I resent paying
money to pretty much anything that doesn't help me in some way, I think
the education we should be funding should be DRIVER education so they
don't run cyclists off the road.

Had that thing the other day where a truck veered back across in front
of me and ended up clearing me by a few cm, it was pretty scary and I
thought that if I'd had an itty-bitty helmet-mounted camera the footage
would've been great for a tv ad... so anyone who has computer/film/tv
geek friends with a little camera if you get the chance to do this
please take the offer.

Tam

hippy

>Originally posted by Shabby The "everyone else is doing it" argument is
>a simple way of >rationalising the fact that you're cheating and don't
>have the >talent to compete at the top level.

But they ARE competing at the top level - that's the problem.
There's no room for 'clean' riders if all the top spots are filled
with drug cheats.

>It's sad that cycling doesn't make the front page of the Age when
>Aussies win world championships on home soil, but does >when drugs are
>found at the AIS.

Doom and gloom always makes for a better cover story..

I wonder how the general non-cycling public sees this? Do they think all
the commuters they drive past are on drugs? :S

hippy



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L'acrobat

"hippy" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:yxgBc.38417$5%6.9932@fe06.usenetserver.com...
> >Originally posted by L'Acrobat
> >>Someone else wrote: you're right. You shouldn't have to pay HECS
> >>either. Education is a community investment.
> >
> >That depends on the course. A great many in the community resent paying
> >tax so some pretentious git can do a "gender studies" course that will
> >return nothing to the community.
>
> So... where do I enrol for gender studies? Do I get to pick the
> gender? ;-D

Think of the sort of things you could try to introduce for credit as
"recognition of prior learning".

macca

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:43:56 GMT, "L'acrobat" <husky.65@delete_me.bigpond.com> wrote:
> I'm stunned.
>
> Athletes, who can get huge endorsements if they win, are prepared to cheat
> to do so.
>
>
> "DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
> news:cavcnk$5k9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > "A drug scandal has rocked Australia's Olympic preparations, with
> explosive
> > claims in Federal Parliament that up to six elite cyclists used an
> > Australian Institute of Sport residence as a "shooting gallery"."
> >
> > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2...7245113326.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > A: Top-posters.
> > Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
> >
> >
>
>

Welcome to the real world..
M

macca

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:14:58 GMT, hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> >Originally posted by Shane Stanley
>> hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>> Is it still cheating if everyone is doing it?
>
>Yes.

Mmm maybe if you follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys
have a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or not
taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I know which option
most will choose..

hippy

>

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>
So this makes it right then.??
M

L'acrobat

Yes, they'll choose cheating but that doesn't change the fact that it IS
cheating..

It isn't just the dictionary definition, its the common definition, the
legal definition and the actual cycling federation definition.



"hippy" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:m5gBc.67493$mX2.58543@fe15.usenetserver.com...
> >Originally posted by Shane Stanley
> >> hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> >> Is it still cheating if everyone is doing it?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> Mmm maybe if you follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys
> have a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or not
> taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I know which option
> most will choose..
>
> hippy
>
>
>
> --
>
>

Marty Wallace

"L'acrobat" <husky.65@delete_me.bigpond.com> wrote in message
newsCUBc.49595$sj4.13571@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Yes, they'll choose cheating but that doesn't change the fact that it IS
> cheating..
>
> It isn't just the dictionary definition, its the common definition, the
> legal definition and the actual cycling federation definition.
>
>
>
> "hippy" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:m5gBc.67493$mX2.58543@fe15.usenetserver.com...
> > >Originally posted by Shane Stanley
> > >> hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > >> Is it still cheating if everyone is doing it?
> > >
> > >Yes.
> >
> > Mmm maybe if you follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys
> > have a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or not
> > taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I know which option
> > most will choose..
> >
> > hippy
> >
> >

Oh no!!!
You top posted!
We'll never hear the end of it now!
Woe is us.

Marty

DRS

"Marty Wallace" <mart@geo.net.au> wrote in message
news:40d83142$0$29888$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au

[...]

> Oh no!!!
> You top posted!
> We'll never hear the end of it now!
> Woe is us.

And you left in extraneous quoted material. Are you done making a fool of
yourself now?

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A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}

hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> writes:

> >Originally posted by Unkey Munkey This shits me. Why the hell shouldn't
> >they pay tax? In this case the claim that over $100k a year in earnings
> >is not carrying on a business. An amateur that gets $100k a year? I can
> >understand someone who wins, say $10k per annum not wanting to declare
> >it as income, but come on.
>
> You can't have it both ways... either ALL athletes pay tax on their
> winnings or none. That means that my $10 crit wins will now be $9..

Not necceryally. You can have a threashold over which you should be
considered a bizzness.

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Free the Memes.

hippy

>Originally posted by Macca
>> hippy <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote: Is it still
>> cheating if everyone is doing it? hippy Mmm maybe if you
>> follow the dictionary definition.. but if these guys have
>> a choice of taking drugs and competing at the top level or
>> not taking drugs and never seeing top level competition, I
>> know which option most will choose..
>
>
>So this makes it right then.??

Did I say it makes it right?? All I'm saying is that, given the choice
to make it to the top level by cheating or not make it to the top level
by staying clean, I think a lot of these high level riders would cheat
if they felt they had to in order to 'make it'.

hippy



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L'acrobat

Did he? the bastard! I say we hunt him down and snip his extraneous
material!

Get the pitchforks and torches, we is formin' a mob!


"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Marty Wallace" <mart@geo.net.au> wrote in message
> news:40d83142$0$29888$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au
>
> [...]
>
> > Oh no!!!
> > You top posted!
> > We'll never hear the end of it now!
> > Woe is us.
>
> And you left in extraneous quoted material. Are you done making a fool of
> yourself now?
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>