Parking in cycle lanes:

MeatballTurbo

In article <20040415170955.03523.00000284@mb-m25.aol.com>,
saildesign@aol.comnospam says...
> MeatballTurbo says:
>
> >The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
>
> You actually _admit_ to that? ;-)
>
> Steve
>
Yep, proud of it.
infact, the Saab Turbo is getting to be a bit thirsty, and if it wasn't
for the huge boot, would chop it in immediatley for a tidy condition
Skoda Rapid tomorrow. Still considering it though, as there is nothing
like the feel of a rear engined skoda through a nice empty twisty
country road. People say they handle bad, but they just handle
different, in the Same way that a Porsche 911 handles, but most people
haven't driven a 911 (me included but I'm going by the experiences of a
club member who owns both).

Of Course neither handle as well as my SanAndreas especially off road at
speed.
--
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Mark Fowler

"Doki" <doki@spamtroNspidar.com> wrote in message
news:1082075321.16608.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
>
>
> Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> > Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
> > its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
> > I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
> > see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
> > parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
> > / wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
> > they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
> > want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
> > inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
> > eveidently wasnt big enough.
> > Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.
>
> That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
> spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not
that
> I'd condone such things of course.
>
Thing is, most cycle lanes are in heavy traffic areas. If they do catch you
doing it, they are going to have to run after you as they couldnt chase you
in their cars due to the heavy traffic!! And lets face it, how small are the
odds that you would do it to a car driver who was also a top level
sprinter!?!
Same goes for the inconsiderate parkers who park their car fully blocking
paths - they think they are doing the right thing as they arent blocking the
road!! Just walk past and knock the wing mirror off.
Mark

Shaun Rimmer

"MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
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In article <c5m0vq$3afmv$1@ID-170198.news.uni-berlin.de>,
shaun@newtronic.co.uk says...
>
> "Doki" <doki@spamtroNspidar.com> wrote in message
> news:1082028380.18291.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
> >
> >
> > Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> > > <RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
> > >
> > > Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
> > > t*atc*nts do it.
> >
> > I'm not sure it is against the law.
>
> I'm in the UK. Here it is illegal, with a standing fine of around £30 for
a
> first offence. It is also an instant fail to even put a tyre on the devide
> line of a cycle lane during a car test.

"Only if it is a solid white line surrounding the bike lane."

"If it is a broken white line, you can enter when necessary. You as the
driver have to decide if it is necessary."

I thought the 'necessary' was avoiding an accident only?

It's still illegal to park in the damned things, according to my police
sources...

Shaun aRe

Shaun Rimmer

"Per Elmsäter" <perDOTelmsater@telia.com> wrote in message
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> Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> > <RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
> > I despise them for opening their doors road-side _after_ I've
> > _already_ pulled out into fast flowing traffic, forcing me to brake
> > hard and move even further the fuck out into fast flowing traffic to
> > avoid becoming burger meat.
> >
>
> You're slowly learning the facts of life I can see. Become a roadie, stay
> away from cycling lanes and stick to the fast lane from the start

I ain't quick enough on the road for that, matey - around 20 is my absolute
max on the flat.


Shaun aRe very familiar with the facts of life.

Shaun Rimmer

"Doki" <doki@spamtroNspidar.com> wrote in message
news:1082075321.16608.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
>
>
> Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> > Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
> > its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
> > I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
> > see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
> > parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
> > / wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
> > they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
> > want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
> > inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
> > eveidently wasnt big enough.
> > Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.
>
> That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
> spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not
that
> I'd condone such things of course.

Yes there's the violence aspect, but it just isn't my style at all anyhow.




Shaun aRe

adownhiller

"Doki" wrote:
>
> Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> > Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
> > its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
> > I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
> > see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
> > parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
> > / wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
> > they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
> > want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
> > inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
> > eveidently wasnt big enough.
> > Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.
>
> That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
> spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not that
> I'd condone such things of course.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/...set/3632417.stm

"Tyre-slasher jailed for 16 months"

A cyclist who slashed about 2,000 car tyres after being soaked by a motorist
has been jailed for 16 months.
Ashley Carpenter, who admitted slashing the tyres in 10 days, was sentenced at
Bournemouth Crown Court.

He pleaded guilty to eight specimen charges of damaging the vehicles at Dorset
Magistrates' Court in March.

It was said Carpenter, of Bournemouth, launched his campaign against motorists
in December 2003, after being splashed when a car drove through a puddle.

JD

"Shaun Rimmer" <shaun@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c5lhqs$30m22$1@ID-170198.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> <RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
<snip GRS rant>

This is a mountain bike newsgroup, Shaunie. Take that roadie jive to
rec.bicycles for someone who gives a rats ass.

Now go ride in the dirt, ya silly sod.

JD

Alex Bird

"adownhiller" <*myhandle*@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c5olhg$45568$1@ID-151488.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> A cyclist who slashed about 2,000 car tyres after being soaked by a motorist
> has been jailed for 16 months.

Just another of my fantasies. Ah, if I think hard enough about
someone painting big penises on the back of every 4x4 in town, perhaps
it'll happen...

Alex

Mark Fowler

"adownhiller" <*myhandle*@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c5olhg$45568$1@ID-151488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/...set/3632417.stm
>
> "Tyre-slasher jailed for 16 months"
> A cyclist who slashed about 2,000 car tyres after being soaked by a
motorist
> has been jailed for 16 months.
> Ashley Carpenter, who admitted slashing the tyres in 10 days, was
sentenced at
> Bournemouth Crown Court.
> He pleaded guilty to eight specimen charges of damaging the vehicles at
Dorset
> Magistrates' Court in March.
> It was said Carpenter, of Bournemouth, launched his campaign against
motorists
> in December 2003, after being splashed when a car drove through a puddle.
>

2 true examples of British justice regarding cars:

1) You slash car tyres (inanimate objects), you go to jail for 16 months.
2) You drive with no license, no insurance and no road tax. You run over a
young boy as he crosses the road and kill him. You then run away from the
scene. When you are caught you are jailed for 8 months but then get it
reduced as it was above the maximum sentence for the crime.
So killing people is only half as bad as slashing tyres?
Tell me thats not screwed up. Cyclists dont get any protection from the law
so at times we have to take it into our own hands. Just make sure you dont
get caught!!
Mark

crazy6r54@webtv.net

I've been thinking of having a pocket full of carpet
tacks or rooffing nails. Bombs away in the brakedown lane.

I MTB 2004

MeatballTurbo

In article <c5o979$3tmqc$1@ID-170198.news.uni-berlin.de>,
shaun@newtronic.co.uk spouted forth into alt.mountain-bike...
>
> "MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ae8c0c265b4736298a080@news.individual.net...
> In article <c5m0vq$3afmv$1@ID-170198.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> shaun@newtronic.co.uk says...
> >
> > "Doki" <doki@spamtroNspidar.com> wrote in message
> > news:1082028380.18291.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> > > > <RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
> > > >
> > > > Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
> > > > t*atc*nts do it.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure it is against the law.
> >
> > I'm in the UK. Here it is illegal, with a standing fine of around £30 for
> a
> > first offence. It is also an instant fail to even put a tyre on the devide
> > line of a cycle lane during a car test.
>
> "Only if it is a solid white line surrounding the bike lane."
>
> "If it is a broken white line, you can enter when necessary. You as the
> driver have to decide if it is necessary."
>
> I thought the 'necessary' was avoiding an accident only?

Nope, they are like ghost islands (hashing in the road) that form
approaches to roundabouts, traffic filters and slip roads.

If the ghost island has a broken border, you can make the choice to
enter, but are advised that you should only when necessary. I only
padded my car test 3 years ago, and the law was the same then, and even
then my instructor told me I would be expected to use the ghost island
to enter a filter or roundabout lane, if I wasn'yt causing an
obstruction, or endangering anyone else on my test to prove I was making
progress.

Solid bordered ones like on a motorway slip are strictly no entry and to
be treated like a concrete traffic island.

> It's still illegal to park in the damned things, according to my police
> sources...

I think, but I'm certain that you are right about parking in them, but I
imagine that there would be some kind of parking restrictions
(yellow/red lines) in place already.

--
Carl Robson
(The poster formerly known as Skodapilot)
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com