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Bob Schwartz

frank-in-toronto <thehickNOSPAM@canada.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:09:49 -0000, Bob Schwartz
> <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote:

>>Maybe no one is interested in an interview with LANCE's
>>ex-wife? She's out of the picture.

> i was reading the latest issue of Bicycling magazine and
> she's in it. ...thehick

I rest my case.

Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com

Jim Flom

"frank-in-toronto" wrote...
>
> >Maybe no one is interested in an interview with LANCE's
> >ex-wife? She's out of the picture.
>
> i was reading the latest issue of Bicycling magazine and
> she's in it. ...thehick

My wife just picked up Runner's World (hmmm... who
publishes that?) and there was an article on Kristin's
marathon, run the December before their divorce? Why'd they
do the big D anyway?

JF

Pistof

"Sierraman" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David Off" <david.off_dumpthisbit_@voila.fr> wrote in
> message news:40ec1d8b$0$17665$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-
> 05.noos.net...
> > Just saw Sheryl carrying a CL lion and fighting the
> > podium babes off Lance. Guess she's not going to let him
> > out of her sight.
>
> SC is good for Lance so far. ( I said so far) Anything
> could happen and I don't think it will last but the magic
> is working for now. They are good
for
> each other. They seem to click pretty well and she seems
> to be right at
home
> with the stress part because she is used to the (on the
> fly) lifestyle
from
> her rock concerts. Also since they are both stars, they
> work well together to raise each other's profile. Having a
> rock star bring awareness to
cycling
> is good and she seems to be keen on cycling for now. She's
> is there for Lance at the tour, and the interviews on OLN
> are good PR.
>
> SC is a + for now for Lance and cycling. I am sure his X
> is jealous of SC.

Thanks for the heads up, Dr. Phil.

Alex Rodriguez

In article <kq3Hc.12004$eO.11345@edtnps89>,
jimflom@telusREMOVE.net says...

>My wife just picked up Runner's World (hmmm... who
>publishes that?) and there was an article on Kristin's
>marathon, run the December before their divorce? Why'd they
>do the big D anyway?

Something about Lance and a podium girl?
-------------
Alex

Alex Rodriguez

In article <0k_Gc.25935$Xq4.6088@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
phil_da_thrill@hotmail.com says...

>typical bitches, they always need to yap, yap right during
>a man's breakfast.

Spoken like a true life long bachelor.
------------------
Alex

Steven L. Sheff

On 07/08/2004 10:55 AM, in article ccjua3$k5r$6@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu,
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:

> In article <kq3Hc.12004$eO.11345@edtnps89>,
> jimflom@telusREMOVE.net says...
>
>> My wife just picked up Runner's World (hmmm... who
>> publishes that?) and there was an article on Kristin's
>> marathon, run the December before their divorce? Why'd
>> they do the big D anyway?
>
> Something about Lance and a podium girl?

It was Georgie with the podium girl.

Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes
due to cancer and fame over the past five years, plus b)
Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.

--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Jim Flom

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>
> It was Georgie with the podium girl.
>
> Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes
> due to cancer and fame over the past five years, plus b)
> Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.

I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific
reference to the grace of God in her article in Runner's
World, and from his book anyway Lance is pretty much on
record re institutionalized religion or whatever. I was
thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger grounds
than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to
grant him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

Steven L. Sheff

On 07/08/2004 11:19 PM, in article LVpHc.11369$Rf.3536@edtnps84, "Jim Flom"
<jimREMOVEflom@telus.net> wrote:

> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>>
>> It was Georgie with the podium girl.
>>
>> Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many
>> changes due to cancer and fame over the past five years,
>> plus b) Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.
>
> I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific
> reference to the grace of God in her article in Runner's
> World, and from his book anyway Lance is pretty much on
> record re institutionalized religion or whatever. I was
> thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger grounds
> than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to
> grant him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

How about a recognition that with regards to children,
divorced parents who can get along are better than married
parents who hate each other ... And lots and lots of money
in the settlement?

--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Jim Flom

"Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...
>
> How about a recognition that with regards to children,
> divorced parents
who
> can get along are better than married parents who hate
> each other ... And lots and lots of money in the
> settlement?

I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced.
However, characterizing it as you do, who can disagree,
although I don't follow how a couple automatically goes from
"hating" one another in marriage to suddenly "getting along"
afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more complicated
than that. And the kids are always the victims. There has
amassed over the last 30 years or so substantial amounts of
sociological evidence that even the general media has
reported indicating that kids are better off in intact
families even with less than ideal marriages than the serial
marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a generation of self-
absorbed, me-first, kids-as-accessories narcissists.

http://listarchives.his.com/smartma...artmarriages.0-
110/msg00002.html

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC04D02

See also
1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital
Disruption for Young Women over the Past Two Decades."
Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill,"
interview with John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on Television
Channel 10, Fairfax, VA, www.divorcereform.org.
3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being: A
Literature Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-102; I.
M. Joung, et al., "Differences in Self-Reported Morbidity
by Marital Status and by Living Arrangement,"
International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage
(New York: Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report,"
Hospital Practice (August 1975), p. 39.
6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and
Jonathan M. Sarmet, "The Effect of Marital Status on
Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer Patients,"
Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
3125-3130.
7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status
Continuity and Change among Young and Midlife Adults:
Longitudinal Effects on Psychological Well-being,"
Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.

J "don't get me started" F

Steven L. Sheff

On 07/09/2004 01:45 PM, in article hBCHc.13857$Rf.4735@edtnps84, "Jim Flom"
<jimflom@telusREMOVE.net> wrote:

> "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...
>>
>> How about a recognition that with regards to children,
>> divorced parents
> who
>> can get along are better than married parents who hate
>> each other ... And lots and lots of money in the
>> settlement?
>
> I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced.
> However, characterizing it as you do, who can disagree,
> although I don't follow how a couple automatically goes
> from "hating" one another in marriage to suddenly "getting
> along" afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more
> complicated than that. And the kids are always the
> victims. There has amassed over the last 30 years or so
> substantial amounts of sociological evidence that even the
> general media has reported indicating that kids are better
> off in intact families even with less than ideal marriages
> than the serial marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a
> generation of self-absorbed, me-first, kids-as-accessories
> narcissists.

I don't disagree with you in the slightest ... But let me
give you some insight to where I'm coming from.

My parents split up when I was 3 years old; my mom re-
married when I was 5 and was divorced again when I was 7,
although she and her second ex-husband continued dating off-and-
on for a number of years afterwards until my mom met the
man destined to be her third husband, but they still get
along today ...

Her third marriage (when I was almost 13) has lasted over 25
years however ... thankfully, quite happily ... her current
husband is a great man, and as I'm getting older, I'm
beginning to recognize that he is the closest thing I've had
to a dad for most of my life ...

I don't think that a couple can go from "hating" each other
to **suddenly** "getting along" afterwards ... But I do
think that when couples are miserable in a marriage, and
can't work things out within the context of that marriage,
it's better to separate and/or divorce.

And as evidenced by my mother's own second marriage, it is
possible to reconcile some of those "irreconcilable
differences", making it possible to get along.

> http://listarchives.his.com/smartma...smartmarriages-
> .0110/msg00002.html
>
> http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC04D02
>
> See also
> 1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital
> Disruption for Young Women over the Past Two Decades."
> Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
> 2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill,"
> interview with John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on
> Television Channel 10, Fairfax, VA,
> www.divorcereform.org.
> 3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being:
> A Literature Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-
> 102; I. M. Joung, et al., "Differences in Self-Reported
> Morbidity by Marital Status and by Living Arrangement,"
> International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
> 4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage
> (New York: Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
> 5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report,"
> Hospital Practice (August 1975), p. 39.
> 6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and
> Jonathan M. Sarmet, "The Effect of Marital Status on
> Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer Patients,"
> Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
> 3125-3130.
> 7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status
> Continuity and Change among Young and Midlife Adults:
> Longitudinal Effects on Psychological Well-being,"
> Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.
>
> J "don't get me started" F
>
>

--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash