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07-07.-2004, 11:15 PM
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How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that
the the new rules mean that a rider can lose huge amounts of time if he gets dropped from his 5th man in the last few meters. In other words, if your team is 2nd but 5 minutes 15 seconds back, then a 5 second gap from your team at the end is worth 5 minutes. -ilan |
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08-07.-2004, 12:46 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote:
>After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that >the the new rules mean that a rider can lose huge amounts >of time if he gets dropped from his 5th man in the last >few meters. Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time as his team. |
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08-07.-2004, 01:02 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> schreef in bericht
news:896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com... > On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: > >After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that > >the the new rules > >mean that a rider can lose huge amounts of time if he > >gets dropped from his > >5th man in the last few meters. > > Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in > last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time > as his team. not in the results on letour.fr. same with the Gerolsteiner tumblers. and Garcia Acosta finishes 2 seconds behind IBB and this costs him 45 seconds. Sastre 4 seoncds behind his team, costs him a minute! |
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08-07.-2004, 01:17 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
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> does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3172035714_39081677 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859- 1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On 7/7/04 8:40 AM, in article 896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com, "Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: >> After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that >> the the new rules mean that a rider can lose huge amounts >> of time if he gets dropped from his 5th man in the last >> few meters. > > Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in > last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time > as his team. Does not look like it to me........... Finish km 64.5 1 US Postal 1.12.03 (riders' loss on GC) 1 Phonak 1.07 (0.20) 2 Illes Balears 1.15 (0.30) 3 T-Mobile 1.19 (0.40) 4 CSC 1.45 (0.50) 5 Rabobank 1.53 (1.00) 6 Liberty Seguros 2.25 (1.10) 7 Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.35 (1.20) 8 Saeco 2.35 (1.30) (NB Simoni will lose about 2.50)9 Alessio - Bianci 2.57 (1.40) 10 Quickstep-Davitamon 3.29 (1.50) 11 Crédit Agricole 4.39 (2.00) 12 AG2R 5.12 (2.10) --B_3172035714_39081677 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859- 1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>On 7/= 3/04 8:40 AM, in article 896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com, "E= woud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote:<BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">> On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote:<= BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000">>> After watching Simoni's crash in the = TTT, I realised that the the new rules<BR> >> mean that a rider can lose huge amounts of time if he gets dropped= from his<BR> >> 5th man in the last few meters.<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">> <BR> > Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in last km -> sa= me<BR> > time as bunch). Simoni got the same time as his team.<BR> </FONT><BR> Does not look like it to me...........<BR> <BR> Finish km 64.5<BR> <BR> 1 US Postal &- nbsp; &nb= sp; 1.12.03 (riders' lo= ss on GC) <BR> 1 Phonak &nbs- p; = &- nbsp; - &nbs= p; 1.07 (0.20)<BR> 2 Illes Balears  = ; 1.15 (0.30)<BR> 3 T-Mobile &- nbsp; &nbs= p; &nbs- p; 1.= 19 (0.40) <BR> 4 CSC  - ; &nb= sp; &n- bsp; &= nbsp; 1.45 (0.50)<BR> 5 Rabobank &nb- sp; &n- bs= p;  - ; 1.= 53 (1.00)<BR> 6 Liberty Seguros &nb= sp; 2.25 (1.10)<BR> 7 Euskaltel - Euskadi  = ; 2.35 (1.20) <BR> 8 Saeco &nb- sp; &n- bsp;&= nbsp;  - ;  = ; 2.35 (1.30) (NB Simoni will lose about 2.50)<BR> 9 Alessio - Bianci &n= bsp; 2.57 (1.40) <BR> 10 Quickstep-Davitamon &nbs= p; 3.29 (1.50)<BR> 11 Crédit Agricole &= nbsp; 4.39 (2.00)<BR> 12 AG2R &nbs- p; &= nbsp; &- nbsp;  = ; 5.12 (2.10)<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3172035714_39081677-- |
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08-07.-2004, 01:31 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com... > On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: > >After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that > >the the new rules > >mean that a rider can lose huge amounts of time if he > >gets dropped from his > >5th man in the last few meters. > > Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in > last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time > as his team. So if you get dropped by your team in the last1K, you have to fall over to avoid losing time ?!!! Better still, imagine getting dropped at 1.9 km, you've got to race to get within the flamme rouge before the team crosses the finish line and then lay the bike down as you cross the 1 km line. LOL!!!! |
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08-07.-2004, 01:31 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:52:01 GMT, Bart Van Hoorebeeck wrote:
>> Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in >> last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time >> as his team. > > not in the results on letour.fr. You're right. It's a clear "..or so I thought!" (and the Eurosport commentators too). Saeco +1:30, Simoni +2:42, poor bastard. |
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08-07.-2004, 02:46 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
trg wrote:
> "Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> a écrit dans le message > de news:896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com... > >>On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: >> >>>After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that >>>the the new > > rules > >>>mean that a rider can lose huge amounts of time if he >>>gets dropped from > > his > >>>5th man in the last few meters. >> >>Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in >>last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time >>as his team. > > > So if you get dropped by your team in the last1K, you have > to fall over to avoid losing time ?!!! Better still, > imagine getting dropped at 1.9 km, you've got to race to > get within the flamme rouge before the team crosses the > finish line and then lay the bike down as you cross the 1 > km line. LOL!!!! > > No -- the 1km rule gives you the time of the group you were with when you fell. If you're solo, you don't get the time of a group up the road. Dan |
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08-07.-2004, 02:46 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:52:01 GMT, Bart Van > Hoorebeeck wrote: > >>>Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in >>>last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time >>>as his team. >> >>not in the results on letour.fr. > > > You're right. It's a clear "..or so I thought!" (and the > Eurosport commentators too). Saeco +1:30, Simoni +2:42, > poor bastard. Saeco must have thought the same. Why abandon your GC guy otherwise? Had they waited for him, the crash would have cost Simoni and the team nothing except team GC (although they were close to beating E-E). Dan |
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08-07.-2004, 09:16 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<896oe0lnkq908hg8cbhh8hk3ioqrb92q7h@4ax.com>...
> On 7 Jul 2004 07:04:22 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: > >After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that > >the the new rules mean that a rider can lose huge amounts > >of time if he gets dropped from his 5th man in the last > >few meters. > > Not exactly; the 1 km rule is still in place (fall in > last km -> same time as bunch). Simoni got the same time > as his team. I said "dropped", as opposed to crashed in the lasts few meters. As noted below, the correct strategy is to crash as you get dropped. -ilan |
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08-07.-2004, 11:15 PM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
This whole new TTT rule needs to be scrapped. All of the
teams need to select riders who can hammer at it. Sorry, but the slacker team that finished 7 minutes down over the course of just 40 miles...They all SHOULD get tossed out for sandbagging. The TTT is always conducted within the first 4 stages and is always relatively short. No one should lose too much time if they are halfway fit. If your team drops you, and you lose lots of time, then blame your teammates for bad teamwork, not the TDF itself. Guys like Mayo need to get more serious about selecting their rosters if they truly want to win the tour. There are a great many riders who are not currently in the TDF who would have been better choices for the TTT. Instead, Euskaltel chooses to ship an entire crew of little Spanish climbers each year to help tow bottles up to Mayo on the Alpe. ilanpi@yahoo.com (Ilan Vardi) wrote in message news:<b26c09dc.0407070604.2e455731@posting.google.com>... > After watching Simoni's crash in the TTT, I realised that > the the new rules mean that a rider can lose huge amounts > of time if he gets dropped from his 5th man in the last > few meters. In other words, if your team is 2nd but 5 > minutes 15 seconds back, then a 5 second gap from your > team at the end is worth 5 minutes. > > -ilan |
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09-07.-2004, 12:15 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
On 8 Jul 2004 07:06:27 -0700, kaiser wrote:
>are not currently in the TDF who would have been better >choices for the TTT. Instead, Euskaltel chooses to ship an >entire crew of little Spanish climbers each year to help >tow bottles up to Mayo on the Alpe. Beforehand, where did you think Euskaltel would finish? And how did they finish? Surprisingly well, for probably about everybody. Especially after the disaster from the day before. |
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09-07.-2004, 04:15 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<40ecf177$0$37789$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
> > > > I said "dropped", as opposed to crashed in the lasts few > > meters. > > That's why I said "not exactly" instead of just no or > not at all. So? Your logical arguments don't impress me. -ilan |
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09-07.-2004, 04:30 AM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
On 8 Jul 2004 12:05:18 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote:
> So? Your logical arguments don't impress me. I am Pyrrhus to your Kirk. |
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09-07.-2004, 07:30 PM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<c67re0pkfu8k3q07ajh3dvipdpliuk1nqs@4ax.com>...
> On 8 Jul 2004 12:05:18 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote: > > So? Your logical arguments don't impress me. > > I am Pyrrhus to your Kirk. Or are you Asia? http://www.internetbookshop.it/ser/serdsp.- asp?feature=cover&isbn=8876845836 -ilan |
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09-07.-2004, 10:32 PM
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Re: How to lose 5 minutes in 5 seconds
On 9 Jul 2004 03:29:30 -0700, Ilan Vardi wrote:
> Or are you Asia? I like her. She has invisible Castelli shorts: http://www.darkdreams.org/asia/nude/Asia004.jpg |
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