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08-07.-2004, 05:24 AM
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No, Mayo's benefit is much more than that.
"Real" time lost to USPS, without the 2:30 and other related rules: 2.35 Real cost to Mayo, in terms of the time he got added relative to LA: 80 seconds (because the runner-up gets 20 seconds more than the winner, and each team thereafter for a while -- but not for the whole peloton -- gets +10 sec). Mayo wasn't docked for 2:30 today. Only 80 sec. |
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08-07.-2004, 05:55 AM
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I agree completely Musette. I guess I should have mentioned he could still end up on the podium. I really don't think this will happen but it could be a possibility. Maybe Mayo should just go buy a lottery ticket...his chances there are probably better. 
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08-07.-2004, 04:09 PM
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Riders who try to attack can sometimes get 6 minutes gaps, so who is to say Mayo couldn't do such things in the mountains? I wish everyone would get off the Armstrong Wagon...
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08-07.-2004, 04:37 PM
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Zulle ended up in 2nd place the year he crashed in Passage du Gois, where he lost nearly 6 minutes.
Thatīs doesnīt mean Mayo will do the same this year, but i think that he well be even more agressive on the climbs, so anything could happen. See it this way, he has nothing to lose now, so letīs try to blow up the race at the first chance. |
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08-07.-2004, 08:39 PM
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That's what I'm looking forward to. |
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09-07.-2004, 04:57 AM
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I think that's exaclty what Lance wants. He can ride Mayo, Basso and Herras's wheels in the Pyrenees and put serious time into Ullrich, Hamiltion and Levi. He can now afford to let Mayo go and win a stage or even 2 in the Basque country. This couldn't have worked more perfectly to Lance's advantage. |
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09-07.-2004, 06:05 AM
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However - if Mayo attacks and Lance cracks it will be a different story.
Similar thing happened to Indurain. |
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09-07.-2004, 06:36 AM
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True, but Lance looks a liitle more fit that Big Mig did when he was going for six and the team is smokin`. |
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10-07.-2004, 09:54 PM
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I won't completely dimiss Mayo's chances for a podium finish. He is currently down less than 5 and a half minutes from LA, difficult, but not impossible to overcome - but what seems to be a more likely scenario is that Mayo's mountain abilities will be used by LA, JU and TH, against each other. So, I think Mayo will still figure prominently in the mountains, but maybe not in the way he would have preferred. No matter what, it is guaranteed to be fascinating! |
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12-07.-2004, 07:42 PM
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How quickly we forget! who can tell me how much Mayo blasted into LA in the ITT up the Alp this year? LA will not let Mayo get 1 meter infront of him (by choice)! Mayo is by far the best climber in the pack! worth 10 minutes? (allowing for TT loss) mabey, mabey not. I think he will eat 2 - 3 minutes of that on the Alp.
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12-07.-2004, 11:25 PM
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He'd still be down by 2-3 minutes.
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12-07.-2004, 11:58 PM
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I still think he can't win. He could get up there but it is going to take a hell of a lot of work. |
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13-07.-2004, 12:07 AM
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Mayo would be down by more than 2-3 minutes, because he can't do as well in the ITT (non-mountain) as JU and LA. So Mayo cannot possibly make first or second. Third, is even very unlikely, and would require a major TH or JU collapse.
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13-07.-2004, 02:01 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Mayo out?
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I must be honest, Euskaltel did much better than I had expected, and I must retract the 'not a real team' statement I made previously. However, I still believe that Mayo is out of this Tour. He is 5'30" behind Lance and 4'30" behind Jan. I do not see him taking that kind of time out of either of them. However, I have made one retraction, and if Mayo pulls off that feat, I will be forced to make another one. I cannot wait until Friday to see how everybody looks in the mountains. |
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13-07.-2004, 02:18 AM
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I don't believe that Mayo is totally out of it yet. Big gaps can be made up in the high mountains.
Remember 1989 when Pedro Delgado showed up late for his prologue start time and was penalized nearly three minutes on the first day of the tour? He started next day dead last in the GC. By the end of the tour he made it onto the podium for 3rd overall. Pantani performed similar exploits in 1998...working his way up from the very bottom of the GC as the race hit the mountains. Yes Mayo is at a disadvantage....but he could get at least 2 minutes back on the Ventoux TT...and then a couple more minutes on some of the other mountain stages. Not likely....but not altogether impossible. His big handicap going forward is the long 60km TT near the end of the tour. This will be Ullrich and Tyler's day of glory. Can't wait to see is Bobby Julich is a contender or a pretender. We'll find out on friday I guess. |
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