Not looking good for MIllar

Mark Thompson

> I do full blood counts for a living and I could probably
> spot an EPO taker's at ten paces. They will all of course
> die prematurely as a result, as do mountain dwellers who
> move down to the valleys.

Eh? Why's dat den? And how do you recognise them? Being a
sea level dweller, will I live longer if I move up to the
mountains?

Gawnsoft

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:09:48 +0100, "Richard Goodman"
<rsk@NOSPAM.homechoice.co.uk> wrote (more or less): ...
>either way I think it's disgraceful to seek competitive
>advantage through drugs - even if the 'advantage' is only
>to stay on a par with other drug-users.

Quite - it appears to be more a case of avoiding competitive
disadvantage by not avoiding drugs...
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Martinm

Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns951B9D91BFEApleasegivegenerously@195.92.193.157>...
> > I do full blood counts for a living and I could probably
> > spot an EPO taker's at ten paces. They will all of
> > course die prematurely as a result, as do mountain
> > dwellers who move down to the valleys.
>
> Eh? Why's dat den? And how do you recognise them? Being a
> sea level dweller, will I live longer if I move up to the
> mountains?

Because their Hct would be over the normal range (this is
how UIC do it I think) If you moved up to the mountains
your RBC would go up, but if you came back down it would
stay high.

Tony Raven

MartinM wrote:
>
> Because their Hct would be over the normal range (this is
> how UIC do it I think) If you moved up to the mountains
> your RBC would go up, but if you came back down it would
> stay high.

My understanding was that when you came back down it would
revert back to normal over two to three weeks.

Tony

Steve McGinty

On 3 Jul 2004 00:53:46 -0700, Martinm2@wcms.org.uk (MartinM) wrote:

>Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote in
>message news:<Xns951B9D91BFEApleasegivegenerously@195.92.1-
>93.157>...
>> > I do full blood counts for a living and I could
>> > probably spot an EPO taker's at ten paces. They will
>> > all of course die prematurely as a result, as do
>> > mountain dwellers who move down to the valleys.
>>
>> Eh? Why's dat den? And how do you recognise them? Being a
>> sea level dweller, will I live longer if I move up to the
>> mountains?
>
>Because their Hct would be over the normal range (this is
>how UIC do it I think)

They do - what would you consider the "normal range" to be?

Regards! Stephen

Martinm

Steve McGinty <steve_DOT_mcginty@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<c69de0dfokdnrs3pi3fjmu8gevfti52kcp@4ax.com>...
> On 3 Jul 2004 00:53:46 -0700, Martinm2@wcms.org.uk
> (MartinM) wrote:
>
> >Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail.com> wrote
> >in message news:<Xns951B9D91BFEApleasegivegenerously@195-
> >.92.193.157>...
> >> > I do full blood counts for a living and I could
> >> > probably spot an EPO taker's at ten paces. They will
> >> > all of course die prematurely as a result, as do
> >> > mountain dwellers who move down to the valleys.
> >>
> >> Eh? Why's dat den? And how do you recognise them? Being
> >> a sea level dweller, will I live longer if I move up to
> >> the mountains?
> >
> >Because their Hct would be over the normal range (this is
> >how UIC do it I think)
>
> They do - what would you consider the "normal range" to
> be?
>
> Regards! Stephen

around 0.45

just found this:

Can a normal person have a high EPO level?

Yes. For example, EPO has been misused as a performance-
enhancing drug in athletes such as cyclists (in the Tour de
France), long-distance runners, speed skaters, and Nordic
(cross-country) skiers. When misused in such situations, EPO
is thought to be especially dangerous (perhaps because
dehydration due to vigorous exercise can further increase
the thickness (viscosity) of the blood, raising the risk for
heart attacks and strokes. EPO has been banned by the Tour,
the Olympics, and other sports organizations.

google for polycythaemia (or omit the first a if searching
US sites) as well if you think it is safe.

John Clayton

One point to come from this, David Millar is the only
sportsman (to my knowledge) ever to admit to "using". Not
even Ben Johnson owned up.

John Clayton www.ossettmouldings.com

James Hodson

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:41:17 +0100, John Clayton
<John@ossett-mouldings.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>One point to come from this, David Millar is the only
>sportsman (to my knowledge) ever to admit to "using". Not
>even Ben Johnson owned up.

Did Alan Baxter own up or did he make the usual excuse of "I
didna know it was a bad batch"?

James

Daver

James Hodson wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:41:17 +0100, John Clayton <John@ossett-
> mouldings.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>One point to come from this, David Millar is the only
>>sportsman (to my knowledge) ever to admit to "using". Not
>>even Ben Johnson owned up.
>
>
> Did Alan Baxter own up or did he make the usual excuse of
> "I didna know it was a bad batch"?
>
> James
Slightly unfair, he bought and used a nasal spray that was
OK in Europe, but had a different formulation in the US (and
yes he should have read the ingredients)

Dave

James Hodson

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:12:02 +0100, DaveR
<ann@robertson74dotfsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Slightly unfair, he bought and used a nasal spray that was
>OK in Europe, but had a different formulation in the US
>(and yes he should have read the ingredients)

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story. He would
say that, wouldn't he. And many, many more ...

James

Gawnsoft

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:19:11 GMT, James Hodson
<jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote (more or less):

>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:12:02 +0100, DaveR
><ann@robertson74dotfsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Slightly unfair, he bought and used a nasal spray that was
>>OK in Europe, but had a different formulation in the US
>>(and yes he should have read the ingredients)
>
>Why let the truth get in the way of a good story. He would
>say that, wouldn't he. And many, many more ...

IIRC, it was Vicks sinex nasal spray. And the added agent in
the US version is pseudafed.

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