2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000

Jd

Jeff Edelen <jeffedelen@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Qq3Gc.28574$WI2.755@lakeread05>...
> JD wrote:
> > jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<f8JF-
> > c.123750$tH1.4422525@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
> >
> >>Jeff Edelen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh?
> >>
> >>Unfortunately about 30.
> >
> > You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you
> > ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put
> > in on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of
> > conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your
> > statement makes you much less than a statistical
> > anomaly. I wonder what would happen to that trek if you
> > rode The National on South Mountain three times a
> > week... What do you think Jeff?
>
> I was betting on the answer to my question being a
> negative number. Personally, at 220 lbs, I wouldn't trust
> a Liquid, much less a Fuel, as my regular-use trail bike.
> I figure that I'm at least 25% heavier than the "average"
> rider, and I'm not surprised by the idea that my bike
> needs to be heavier, too. I also figure that trails like
> National are somewhat rougher than the average (not to
> mention low-end FS) XC bikes are designed to tackle. I'll
> stick with my SuperMoto for rougher trail riding. For XC,
> I really like my 1FG.

Not neccessarily true on having a *heavier* bike for rougher
trails. I've ridden my 23lb singlespeed all over and I've
only broken a few components on it. The frame is still going
strong after over four years. A good xc frame will stand up
to regular use, even if you push the limits and are't
jumping off of crap over 3'. My Edge FS is still going
strong as well after 3 1/2 years and it only weighs 28 lbs.
I'd break one of those trek junkers within six months, no
doubt in my mind at all.

JD

Zeeexsixare

> Not neccessarily true on having a *heavier* bike for
> rougher trails. I've ridden my 23lb singlespeed all over
> and I've only broken a few components on it. The frame is
> still going strong after over four years. A good xc frame
> will stand up to regular use, even if you push the limits
> and are't jumping off of crap over 3'. My Edge FS is still
> going strong as well after 3 1/2 years and it only weighs
> 28 lbs. I'd break one of those trek junkers within six
> months, no doubt in my mind at all.
>
> JD

What's your singlespeed frame?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Jem

JD wrote:
> jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<f8JFc.-
> 123750$tH1.4422525@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
>
>>Jeff Edelen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>jem wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Had my Fuel 80 for two years. I did have problems early
>>>>on with a crappy seat and a chainring that bent, both of
>>>>which the dealer made better at no cost to me. Since
>>>>then I've had no problems and absolutley love the ride.
>>>>Guess that makes me another of the millions of
>>>>statistical anomolies.
>>>
>>>
>>>How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh?
>>>
>>>-Jeff
>>>
>>
>>Unfortunately about 30.
>
>
> You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you
> ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put in
> on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of
> conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your
> statement makes you much less than a statistical anomaly.
> I wonder what would happen to that trek if you rode The
> National on South Mountain three times a week... What do
> you think Jeff?

Sure I have. I know that you're unlikely to admit that Trek
could make a good bike, even though they sell hundreds of
thousands of them each year. They do give warranties to
their frames, so it does pay to make them good. Something
about repeat business too, if your product truly sucks then
word will get around. Components wear out, no matter what
frame you hang them on. You probably get more for your buck
with a Trek then with any botique bike.

I only ride 3-4 times per week. Almost 100% N.C. single-
track. Plenty of root, rocks, logs and bumps, and I catch a
little air when I can. A typical ride may be anywhere from
3-11 miles, but I always feel like I've had a workout.

Zilla

jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I only ride 3-4 times per week. Almost 100% N.C. single-
> track.

Where in NC are you?

--
- Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

R.White

dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c9.0407050917.2c82d640@posting.google.com>...
> bicycle@charter.net (R.White) wrote in message
> news:<27bc6c79.0407041429.1df58267@posting.google.com>...
> > dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c9.04-
> > 07041052.438f24c8@posting.google.com>...
> > > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in
> > > message
> > > news:<slrncedt75.iqh.spam@home.bounceswoosh.org>...
> > > > I can't speak for you, but I'm 100% sure that JD
> > > > tackles trails (if you can even call them that) far
> > > > more brutal than I'm likely to try in the next
> > > > several years.
> > >
> > > It's not about how "brutal" a trail may be, it's about
> > > how well you ride. Hacks will tear up a bicycle on the
> > > easiest of trails.
> >
> > Like you and your Trek Y-Bike.
> >
> > > Handling skills save a bike just as much as the
> > > quality of a bike does.
> >
> > Like JD's Trek.
>
> The funniest thing about this leg hump is that you'll
> never truly know how well or hackish I might ride, ricky.
> Thanks for the starch.

Oh boo hoo, I'm not gonna get one of your lame "come out
here and I'll show you..." posts.

The funniest thing is how you contradict yourself.

Jem

Zilla wrote:
> jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I only ride 3-4 times per week. Almost 100% N.C. single-
>>track.
>
>
> Where in NC are you?
>

Kernersville. Between Greensboro and Winston-Salem.

Jd

bicycle@charter.net (R.White) wrote in message news:<27bc6c79.0407051553.babf6ea@posting.google.com>...
> dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message
> news:<ebf270c9.0407050917.2c82d640@posting.google.com>...
> > bicycle@charter.net (R.White) wrote in message news:<27-
> > bc6c79.0407041429.1df58267@posting.google.com>...
> > > dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c9.-
> > > 0407041052.438f24c8@posting.google.com>...
> > > > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > news:<slrncedt75.iqh.spam@home.bounceswoosh.org>...
> > > > > I can't speak for you, but I'm 100% sure that JD
> > > > > tackles trails (if you can even call them that)
> > > > > far more brutal than I'm likely to try in the next
> > > > > several years.
> > > >
> > > > It's not about how "brutal" a trail may be, it's
> > > > about how well you ride. Hacks will tear up a
> > > > bicycle on the easiest of trails.
> > >
> > > Like you and your Trek Y-Bike.
> > >
> > > > Handling skills save a bike just as much as the
> > > > quality of a bike does.
> > >
> > > Like JD's Trek.
> >
> > The funniest thing about this leg hump is that you'll
> > never truly know how well or hackish I might ride,
> > ricky. Thanks for the starch.
>
> Oh boo hoo, I'm not gonna get one of your lame "come out
> here and I'll show you..." posts.

I'm surprised at you, ricky. You seem to pay so much
attention to me and what I have to say, you might have
figured out by now that is not my normal mode of operation.
Vo2lker is just ignorant, whereas you are psychotic and
there's a big difference between the two.

> The funniest thing is how you contradict yourself.

Where? You need to get back on your meds.

JD

Jd

"ZeeExSixAre" <phil_leeIHEARTBASHGUARDS@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<n3hGc.2194$696.663@fe07.usenetserver.com>...
> > Not neccessarily true on having a *heavier* bike for
> > rougher trails. I've ridden my 23lb singlespeed all over
> > and I've only broken a few components on it. The frame
> > is still going strong after over four years. A good xc
> > frame will stand up to regular use, even if you push the
> > limits and are't jumping off of crap over 3'. My Edge FS
> > is still going strong as well after 3 1/2 years and it
> > only weighs 28 lbs. I'd break one of those trek junkers
> > within six months, no doubt in my mind at all.
> >
> > JD
>
>
> What's your singlespeed frame?

The Ritchie Blackmore Bike, a deep purple Edge Cycles Mango
SS.

JD

Jd

jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<ephGc.116199$2o2.6234002@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
> JD wrote:
> > jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<f8JF-
> > c.123750$tH1.4422525@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
> >
> >>Jeff Edelen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>jem wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Had my Fuel 80 for two years. I did have problems
> >>>>early on with a crappy seat and a chainring that bent,
> >>>>both of which the dealer made better at no cost to me.
> >>>>Since then I've had no problems and absolutley love
> >>>>the ride. Guess that makes me another of the millions
> >>>>of statistical anomolies.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh?
> >>>
> >>>-Jeff
> >>>
> >>
> >>Unfortunately about 30.
> >
> >
> > You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you
> > ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put
> > in on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of
> > conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your
> > statement makes you much less than a statistical
> > anomaly. I wonder what would happen to that trek if you
> > rode The National on South Mountain three times a
> > week... What do you think Jeff?
>
> Sure I have. I know that you're unlikely to admit that
> Trek could make a good bike, even though they sell
> hundreds of thousands of them each year. They do give
> warranties to their frames, so it does pay to make them
> good. Something about repeat business too, if your product
> truly sucks then word will get around. Components wear
> out, no matter what frame you hang them on.

Apparently you missed the fact that trek gambles on most
of their "mountain" bikes not getting used as a mountain
bike and expect a certain amount of write-off from
warranties on those bikes that do get used as marketed. Go
check out some beach bike paths on perfect days and see
how many scratchless treks and other unused "mountain"
bikes there are out there. I also wonder how many are just
hanging in a garage, never to be ridden again. With as
lazy as the average American is, I'd wager a huge
percentage of those bikes are out there. They don't make a
good bike, they make average bikes at best. Have you ever
ridden a really good bike?

> You probably get more for your buck with a Trek then with
> any botique bike.

That is complete and unadulterated bullcrap. How does one
get more bang for the buck with a broken frame? Does the
"BANG" come from the noise when the frame breaks? I buy
bikes to ride them as intended and nothing but the best will
last and that goes for anyone who wants to ride instead of
waiting for a warranty to be honored. How long did it take
for your Yugo to die on the highway?

> I only ride 3-4 times per week. Almost 100% N.C. single-
> track. Plenty of root, rocks, logs and bumps, and I catch
> a little air when I can. A typical ride may be anywhere
> from 3-11 miles, but I always feel like I've had a
> workout.

I rest my case. Don't think I don't know what the Piedmont
region of NC yields as far as trail conditions go either. I
lived and rode there.

JD

Jem

JD wrote:
> jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<ephGc.-
> 116199$2o2.6234002@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
>
>>JD wrote:
>>
>>>jem <jmessick@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:<f8JFc-
>>>.123750$tH1.4422525@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jeff Edelen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jem wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Had my Fuel 80 for two years. I did have problems
>>>>>>early on with a crappy seat and a chainring that bent,
>>>>>>both of which the dealer made better at no cost to me.
>>>>>>Since then I've had no problems and absolutley love
>>>>>>the ride. Guess that makes me another of the millions
>>>>>>of statistical anomolies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh?
>>>>>
>>>>>-Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately about 30.
>>>
>>>
>>>You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you
>>>ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put in
>>>on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of
>>>conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your
>>>statement makes you much less than a statistical anomaly.
>>>I wonder what would happen to that trek if you rode The
>>>National on South Mountain three times a week... What do
>>>you think Jeff?
>>
>>Sure I have. I know that you're unlikely to admit that
>>Trek could make a good bike, even though they sell
>>hundreds of thousands of them each year. They do give
>>warranties to their frames, so it does pay to make them
>>good. Something about repeat business too, if your product
>>truly sucks then word will get around. Components wear
>>out, no matter what frame you hang them on.
>
>
> Apparently you missed the fact that trek gambles on most
> of their "mountain" bikes not getting used as a mountain
> bike and expect a certain amount of write-off from
> warranties on those bikes that do get used as marketed. Go
> check out some beach bike paths on perfect days and see
> how many scratchless treks and other unused "mountain"
> bikes there are out there. I also wonder how many are just
> hanging in a garage, never to be ridden again. With as
> lazy as the average American is, I'd wager a huge
> percentage of those bikes are out there. They don't make a
> good bike, they make average bikes at best. Have you ever
> ridden a really good bike?
>
>
>>You probably get more for your buck with a Trek then with
>>any botique bike.
>
>
> That is complete and unadulterated bullcrap. How does one
> get more bang for the buck with a broken frame? Does the
> "BANG" come from the noise when the frame breaks? I buy
> bikes to ride them as intended and nothing but the best
> will last and that goes for anyone who wants to ride
> instead of waiting for a warranty to be honored. How long
> did it take for your Yugo to die on the highway?
>
>
>>I only ride 3-4 times per week. Almost 100% N.C. single-
>>track. Plenty of root, rocks, logs and bumps, and I catch
>>a little air when I can. A typical ride may be anywhere
>>from 3-11 miles, but I always feel like I've had a
>>workout.
>
>
> I rest my case. Don't think I don't know what the Piedmont
> region of NC yields as far as trail conditions go either.
> I lived and rode there.
>
> JD

All I ever claim is that I've been happy with my Trek and
had good luck with it. Rest your case? Please, just rest
your moust. Or how about coming up with some hard statistics
on frame failure rates, but Trek or ANY bike manufacturer?

Pas

jem wrote:

>>
>>
>> I rest my case. Don't think I don't know what the
>> Piedmont region of NC yields as far as trail conditions
>> go either. I lived and rode there.
>>
>> JD
>
> All I ever claim is that I've been happy with my Trek and
> had good luck with it. Rest your case? Please, just rest
> your moust. Or how about coming up with some hard
> statistics on frame failure rates, but Trek or ANY bike
> manufacturer?

first, you should read the FAQ for this group, if you
haven't. It's always at the bottom of Bomba's posts.
Second, one thorough search of the mtbr forums on this
subject, that should bring up a few intresting results for
you. Third, it's just one guys opinion, dont' get your
panties all in a wad.

penny

Bomba

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:44:01 -0700, pas wrote:

>> All I ever claim is that I've been happy with my Trek and
>> had good luck with it. Rest your case? Please, just rest
>> your moust. Or how about coming up with some hard
>> statistics on frame failure rates, but Trek or ANY bike
>> manufacturer?
>
>
> first, you should read the FAQ for this group, if you
> haven't. It's always at the bottom of Bomba's posts.
> Second, one thorough search of the mtbr forums on this
> subject, that should bring up a few intresting results for
> you. Third, it's just one guys opinion, dont' get your
> panties all in a wad.

I've just changed computers and haven't sorted out the .sig,
but the FAQ is at http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

However, I'm pretty sure 'jem' has been around here before.
Albeit under a different 'nym...

Jonesy

"KR" <yeah@right.net> wrote in message news:<10egbdchu8c3hd7@corp.supernews.com>...
> I've been knocking myself out, but if you took the time to
> read this you could at least offer some useful advice.

You get what you pay for.

> KR
>
> P.S. - This is by far the most amount of reply posts I've
> ever gotten to a Usenet post while still providing
> the least amount of useful information. Is this
> typical of this group?

All of these questions have been answered multiple times
before. By different people.

JD has his thing, and if you hung around a while, you'll
find he's kinda opinionated. Your lack of knowledge on the
subject is not
a.m-b.'s problem. Whatever subject that's at hand.

Now, about the bikes: it's *your* money. If your heart is
set on one of those bikes, buy the one that fits best, from
the shop that treats you best. (This is also non-news, BTW.)
Brands? I'm a Marin/Marzocchi pimp right now, so go look up
Marin, steel or aluminum hardtail, and try and get your LBS
to swap in a coil and oil Marzocchi. Simple, reliable and
from companies that have pretty decent reputations. And you
might even get it at a decent price - more than you would
have spent on the Trek/GF, but a better bike (probably.) Go
to the Marin website and have a look.
--
Jonesy

R.White

dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c9.0407060948.5e61da5c@posting.google.com>...
> bicycle@charter.net (R.White) wrote in message
> news:<27bc6c79.0407051553.babf6ea@posting.google.com>...
> > dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c9.04-
> > 07050917.2c82d640@posting.google.com>...
> > > bicycle@charter.net (R.White) wrote in message news:<-
> > > 27bc6c79.0407041429.1df58267@posting.google.com>...
> > > > dij@usafcct.com (JD) wrote in message news:<ebf270c-
> > > > 9.0407041052.438f24c8@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote
> > > > > in message news:<slrncedt75.iqh.spam@home.bounces-
> > > > > woosh.org>...
> > > > > > I can't speak for you, but I'm 100% sure that JD
> > > > > > tackles trails (if you can even call them that)
> > > > > > far more brutal than I'm likely to try in the
> > > > > > next several years.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not about how "brutal" a trail may be, it's
> > > > > about how well you ride. Hacks will tear up a
> > > > > bicycle on the easiest of trails.
> > > >
> > > > Like you and your Trek Y-Bike.
> > > >
> > > > > Handling skills save a bike just as much as the
> > > > > quality of a bike does.
> > > >
> > > > Like JD's Trek.
> > >
> > > The funniest thing about this leg hump is that you'll
> > > never truly know how well or hackish I might ride,
> > > ricky. Thanks for the starch.
> >
> > Oh boo hoo, I'm not gonna get one of your lame "come out
> > here and I'll show you..." posts.
>
> I'm surprised at you, ricky. You seem to pay so much
> attention to me and what I have to say, you might have
> figured out by now that is not my normal mode of
> operation. Vo2lker is just ignorant, whereas you are
> psychotic and there's a big difference between the two.
>
> > The funniest thing is how you contradict yourself.
>
> Where? You need to get back on your meds.

If I was actually on medication, how is making fun of
something that is beyond a persons control any different
than someone commenting on your ability to be a good father?
They're both subjects that are best left alone, but you feel
it is ok to belittle someone for a medical condition.

The affects of your comments on me are nil since I do not
take or have a need for any anti-depressant medication, but
it's attitudes like yours that prevent people who might need
help from seeking any because they know they will be
ridiculed and made fun of for something they cannot overcome
on their own. I work with these people for a living and I
can say with utmost confindence that people like you make
their lives hell.