RAAM: Race Across America

Edward Dolan

"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406280347.6913b976@posting.google.com...
> Ed, you wrote:
>
> You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a
> newsgroup posting style.
>
> Reply:
>
> No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually a
> rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet, to
> assist individuals with lower end computers, or who are
> very busy and have very little time, to be able to
> participate in a discussion.

Yes, newsgroup posting is all about rules, which I observe
and you don't.

> The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework and
> don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause
> disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in
> this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try
> and include a little more of what I am responding to so
> you won't be so lost.

You do not edit me at all. In fact, you do not include
anything of what I have said (except previously for one
very brief snippet). You respond as if I had written you
a letter, which I haven't (I assure you, a letter would
be vastly different than a posting). I have written you
a newsgroup posting which I know the whole world is
going to read along with you. My main concern is always
for the universe of anonymous readers, not for the
particular correspondent to whom I am responding. I
think that is the main difference between what you are
doing and what I am doing.

> Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I am
> and so others are not jumping in on your messages and
> taking issue with everything you say.
>
> Reply:
>
> Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with
> bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody has
> political opinions of one kind or another, but I
> personally don't think they belong here. Nor do personal
> insults, because as you say "Everyone is reading what we
> say". (well probably not, many NG readers either stop
> reading or participating in a news group full of off topic
> posts, spam or flame wars. Why do you think so many
> regulars left the newsgroup?)

A conversation will go the way it will go and those who do
not like the way it is going can leave the conversation and
if they want to leave the newsgroup, that is just fine with
me too. We are well rid of the "regulars" that were
formerely here. They had outworn any welcome they ever had
here and were getting downright incestous in their postings.
The newsgroup is a far better place for their having left.

> You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. "
>
> No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to get
> them to respond to you-- watching your posts over the
> years, I hypothesize you go outside the rules and
> etiquette because you want attention. Perhaps you are
> lonely and this is the only way to get attention so folks
> will respond to you-- let you know that you matter, and
> that you are thought about...."

Actually, I do disagree with most on this newsgroup about
most things. But I do not mind being contentious and
disagreeable, most especially when it comes to politics. I
have noted that no one is ever trying to be friendly to me,
so why should I bother with them in that regard. No, I like
argument and I enjoy controversy. I wish it could all be on
a higher level, but I am willing to get down in the trenches
with the majority of low life to be found here on ARBR.

> The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay
> on topic and try and think about the majority of readers
> who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute
> from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes. You
> have wisdom.

Ah, sweet amelioration! But you are one in million. I am
having to deal with blooming idiots of the first rank. But
it is nothing but fun and games for me and when I tire of it
I will leave and go on to other things.

> But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately
> inflame people. You lose your ability to persuade, to get
> respect and change lives and minds, when you set up to be
> deliberately off topic and contrarian all the time.

I am not really trying to persuade anyone of anything.
That is for the young. I only began posting to this group
in the first place because of all the liberal cant and
hypocrisy that I detected here. And then there were the
Bush bashers whose only aim in life was to bash Bush. My
role here is limited and I am content to play out the hand
I have been dealt.

> I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to
> maturity, and the patience to be open minded and
> respectful.

It has ever been one of the interests in my life to see how
different men and women are from one another. Gender
explains an awful lot. We men are killers and women are not.
They are concerned with new life almost to the exclusion of
everything else. We men only pretend to be concerned with
new life. But we are killers and we all know it.

> OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring
> extremely high levels of testosterone, and this can make
> man or woman extremely aggressive and disagreeable.

Women athletes are highly abnormal and most likely have a
hormonal imbalance. Many woman athletes look more like men
than some men do

> Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you?

I will soon be resting in my grave for all eternity.

> You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade folks
> that you are right, that is if you wanted to...

Nope, not interested!

> Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more people
> would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your great
> ride stories with us?

I am here for off-topic only to keep ARBR cleansed of dirty
rotten liberal posts. I would rather rule in Hell with Mr.
Sherman than serve in Heaven with you! See what I mean about
us men being killers?

> All the best Ed,

Same to you kiddo!

--
Best Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan

"Freewheeling" <email_at_bottomofpost@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:2kbflbFd5jiU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Melanie:
>
> As a general rule I top post, although if it's in direct
> response to something in the thread I usually quote that.
> That's a form or procedure that's often used on web forums
> where bandwidth *is* an issue. It's also used in email
> listserves, and has become something of a necessity in the
> blogging world, where it goes under the name "fisking."
> Often, if I'm in
a
> hurry I simply don't read a messasge that isn't top
> posted, because it
takes
> too long to scroll to something that might not be
> interesting anyway. If you can easily see a response, or
> at least a quote that the author
considers
> important, it's easy to decide whether you want to
> read more.
>
> Trolls hate top posting, for some reason. Well, they hate
> a lot of stuff, including themselves.
>
> --
> --Scott

Everything Scott says above is highly academic because he
takes the precaution of bottom posting the ENTIRE previous
post to which he is responding. It is hard do find fault
with this method as everything is there for context.
Nonetheless, I do not believe top posting is any more
efficacious than bottom posting.

Take the present post for instance. Unless I have been
following this thread I will have to read the previous
message in its entirely down below in order to know fully
what is being discussed. Scott should have posted Melanie's
first paragraph at the top of his post so that we wouldn't
have to read down to find out what it is that he is
responding to. There is no such thing as a direct response
on a newsgroup unless it is just idle chit chat. One must
always consider other readers and how they are understanding
what is being said.

One final thought, maybe if you are in such a god awful
hurry to get on with other things you should forget about
newsgroups altogether. I must admit they do take some time
and I have not found any shortcuts.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

> "Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in
> message
> news:f63c98e9.0406280347.6913b976@posting.google.com...
> > Ed, you wrote:
> >
> > You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a
> > newsgroup posting style.
> >
> > Reply:
> >
> > No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually
> > a rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet,
> > to assist individuals with lower end computers, or who
> > are very busy and have very little time, to be able to
> > participate in a discussion.
> >
> > The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework
> > and don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause
> > disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in
> > this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try
> > and include a little more of what I am responding to so
> > you won't be so lost.
> >
> > Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I
> > am and so others are not jumping in on your messages and
> > taking issue with everything you say.
> >
> > Reply:
> >
> > Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with
> > bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody
> > has political opinions of one kind or another, but I
> > personally don't think they belong here. Nor do personal
> > insults, because as you say "Everyone is reading what we
> > say". (well probably not, many NG readers either stop
> > reading or participating in a news group full of off
> > topic posts, spam or flame wars. Why do you think so
> > many regulars left the newsgroup?)
> >
> > You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. "
> >
> > No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to
> > get them to respond to you-- watching your posts over
> > the years, I hypothesize you go outside the rules and
> > etiquette because you want attention. Perhaps you are
> > lonely and this is the only way to get attention so
> > folks will respond to you-- let you know that you
> > matter, and that you are thought about...."
> >
> > The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay
> > on topic and try and think about the majority of readers
> > who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute
> > from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes.
> > You have wisdom.
> >
> > But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately
> > inflame people. You lose your ability to persuade, to
> > get respect and change lives and minds, when you set
> > up to be deliberately off topic and contrarian all
> > the time.
> >
> > I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to
> > maturity, and the patience to be open minded and
> > respectful.
> >
> > OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring
> > extremely high levels of testosterone, and this can make
> > man or woman extremely aggressive and disagreeable.
> >
> > Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you?
> >
> > You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade
> > folks that you are right, that is if you wanted to...
> >
> > Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more
> > people would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your
> > great ride stories with us?
> >
> > All the best Ed,
> >
> > Keep riding....
> >
> > Melanie

Bil

wrong 100%, AGAIN...

newsgroups were created to be agents of chaos

Doofus grovellingly snivelled:

> Yes, newsgroup posting is all about rules, which I observe
> and you don't.

Edward Dolan

"bil" <me@notme.net> wrote in message news:zZ7Ec.3402$151.1224@fed1read02...
> wrong 100%, AGAIN...
>
> newsgroups were created to be agents of chaos
>
> Doofus grovellingly snivelled:
>
> > Yes, newsgroup posting is all about rules, which I
> > observe and you
don't.

I think at long last I do agree with bil about something.
Ever since I came on this newsgroup my brains have been
scrambled and I can't seem to keep to a coherent thought
anymore. I blame Mr. Sherman for all my troubles in this
regard. He was put here by the Devil for the sole purpose of
driving me stark raving mad.

And then there are the gadflies like this bil character who
keeps circling me like a vulture. A grand tragedy is being
played out here to a chorus of idiots. The Lilliputians are
tying the one great intellect of this newsgroup to the
ground. That would be me of course. But beware one and all,
oh you of the minutiae - giants like myself can rise from
the grave to smite you and sweep you from ARBR like the
pestiferous insects that you are.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Bil

again...... that would explain a lot ;-)

>ants like myself can rise from the grave

Edward Dolan

"bil" <me@notme.net> wrote in message news:XusEc.4209$151.1809@fed1read02...
>
> again...... that would explain a lot ;-)
>
> >ants like myself can rise from the grave

Old bil is up to his usual tricks I see. Well, it is all in
good fun no doubt. GIANTS like me cannot be effected by
pestiferous insects like bil. I am a great elephant and he
is a minuscule mosquito.

Ed Dolan, if I haven't said it before it is time to say it
now. Thank God you are here to keep this newsgroup on track
and preventing it from being taken over by liberal trash
people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Their treasonous natures will be revealed one day for all to
see and abhor. In the meantime, Ed, keep up the good work
and do not ever let these dwarfs and midgets dissuade you
from your sacred mission to keep ARBR on the up and up. All
praise to Ed Dolan, ever the good steward of ARBR!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edwerd Dolan

Edward Dolan wrote:

> "bil" <me@notme.net> wrote in message
> news:XusEc.4209$151.1809@fed1read02...
>
>>again...... that would explain a lot ;-)
>>
>>
>>>ants like myself can rise from the grave
>
>
> Old bil is up to his usual tricks I see. Well, it is all
> in good fun no doubt. GIANTS like me cannot be effected by
> pestiferous insects like bil. I am a great elephant and he
> is a minuscule mosquito.
>
> Ed Dolan, if I haven't said it before it is time to say it
> now. Thank God you are here to keep this newsgroup on
> track and preventing it from being taken over by liberal
> trash people who don't know their ass from a hole in the
> ground. Their treasonous natures will be revealed one day
> for all to see and abhor. In the meantime, Ed, keep up the
> good work and do not ever let these dwarfs and midgets
> dissuade you from your sacred mission to keep ARBR on the
> up and up. All praise to Ed Dolan, ever the good steward
> of ARBR!

Sorry folks I must have been drunk when I wrote this. I'll
never refer to myself in the third person again.

Apologies to ALL!

ps. I have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and it was Masterful. I have
changed my tune. Bush out in '04.