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RAAM: Race Across America

 
 
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Old 21-06.-2004, 10:15 PM   #1
Edward Dolan
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Default RAAM: Race Across America

RAAM has been around for a number of years now. I remember
John Marino as being one of the originators of the race. It
is strictly for endurance athletes and this is the sort of
thing that has always interested me. I have absolutely no
interest in staged races like the Tour de France or
criteriums. Endurance long distance events are where it's
at for me!

I remember William F. Buckley once stating that it was more
interesting for him to be able to jump out of an airplane
and land in a bucket of water than to traverse Death Valley
hiking in the summer heat. I am just the opposite of that.
Only endurance events interest me. I would much rather be
able to hike the length of Death Valley than perform any
skillful thing. In fact, I have always wanted to hike across
the Sahara Desert from the Mediterranean littoral to
Timbuktu. But I have always known that I am as crazy as a
Minnesota loon. Maybe if there is a life after death, God in
His infinite mercy will permit my spirit to hike across the
Sahara Desert to Timbuktu, after which I can go into
oblivion permanently at rest with the demons that have
tormented me all my life.

There is a fellow from Sheldon, Iowa (Randy Van Zee) who is
participating in this event. He lives not far from where I
am at. So I will follow this event to see how he does. RAAM
began today in San Diego and will conclude in Atlantic City
in a bit over a week from now.

In any event, there may be some on this newsgroup who may be
interested in this event. Here is the web site if you are
interested:

http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/

There you will be able to get daily updates and special
reports on how the race is going. Enjoy!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 25-06.-2004, 09:30 PM   #2
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This falls in the category of really weird. I have this
fantasy of going fast-- in going slow I help make the rest
of these fast riders possible. After all, if it weren't for
us their wouldn't be a anyone to go faster than.

Anyway, while I am imaging how fast I can be, I
occassionally hit ultra cycling sites and dream about doing
enough brevets to actually do Paris Brest Paris. I watch the
twelve hour dvd version of the tour de france. I watch the
Giro de Italia.

So I hit the RAAM site. I learned that the RAAM ride leader
will be going through Circleville, OH between 5-7am tomorrow
morning. I also learned that the team in the lead as of last
night eastern time is ALS Lightning. This of course
interested me because:

I own a Lightning.

Mine of course is the slow kind, a Stealth, but it is based
on the P-38.

So my interest peaked. Then I read further about the four
man team. To my surprise it looks like one of the riders is
the cousin of my partner...his name Bob Fourney! I couldn't
believe this.... so I asked and sure enough we think its
the same guy. He was always into ultra cycling but this
takes the cake.

So I figure a field trip to Circleville am tomorrow worth a
trip. Note that at least two of the four ride leaders, out
to set a coast to coast record of slightly over 5 days, are
recumbents on LIGHTNINGS!

For those of you following my mosts, this would be the hare!
 
Old 26-06.-2004, 04:30 AM   #3
Edward Dolan
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> This falls in the category of really weird. I have this
> fantasy of going fast-- in going slow I help make the rest
> of these fast riders possible. After all, if it weren't
> for us their wouldn't be a anyone to go faster than.
>
> Anyway, while I am imaging how fast I can be, I
> occassionally hit ultra cycling sites and dream about
> doing enough brevets to actually do Paris Brest Paris. I
> watch the twelve hour dvd version of the tour de france. I
> watch the Giro de Italia.
[...]

This newsgroup is replete with those who think the Tour de
France is God's gift to humanity. It appears that you fall
into this category yourself. You are lucky as the world is
set up to cater to these types of really weird interests.

RAAM is of course an abomination, but I do like the idea
of being able to cycle across this country. But I would
not make it a race. It would just be a tour and the
longer it took the better. This mania for always wanting
to turn everything into a race and to want to go fast is
simply insane.

It's fun to tweak all the wanna-go-fast crowd here on ARBR.
They can no more understand me than I can them.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 26-06.-2004, 11:30 AM   #4
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Well it turns out the Lightning ALS team does have the
person we thought on their team. They are currently between
Athens, Ohio and Parkersburg West Virginia, and they are
flying! Unfortunately for us, they are going so fast that we
can't even catch them in the car....

I am so excited!
 
Old 26-06.-2004, 12:45 PM   #5
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> Well it turns out the Lightning ALS team does have the
> person we thought on their team. They are currently
> between Athens, Ohio and Parkersburg West Virginia, and
> they are flying! Unfortunately for us, they are going so
> fast that we can't even catch them in the car....
>
> I am so excited!

Melanie, they are going so fast because they can't wait to
get the misery over with. They are no doubt asking
themselves with every passing mile why they are doing this
thing. And they are no doubt resolving never to do anything
this foolish ever again in their lives if they survive it.

Aren't you glad that you and I are smart enough not to even
want to do this crazy sort of thing. It is enough to sit on
the sidelines and laugh at them.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 27-06.-2004, 08:00 PM   #6
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Heck, that is the beauty of being on a bent. We can take our
time or rush along depending on mood, wind, incline or
inclination. I'm slow and that's it... happy but slow...

Bob Fourney is fast, extremely fast, so fast in fact that he
and the rest of his faired Lightning companions just
finished 1st ahead of every other team, all uprights at the
Race Across America. We are so slow and he is so fast.

I must admit we have been pretty excited in this household
since discovering that Bob was doing the race and then
actually winning with Lightning's team. We did track them
all the way across Ohio thence to West Virginia, Maryland,
Pennsylvania, and New Jersey just this morning.

Alright, so I am living vicariously....

back to celebrating the slow tomorrow....

Melanie
 
Old 27-06.-2004, 09:31 PM   #7
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> Heck, that is the beauty of being on a bent. We can take
> our time or rush along depending on mood, wind, incline or
> inclination. I'm slow and that's it... happy but slow...

I am always telling everyone that there is no penalty for
being slow on a recumbent when it comes to comfort. That
factor stays the same whether fast or slow. That is not
true with uprights. If you go slow on an upright you will
suffer for it.

> Bob Fourney is fast, extremely fast, so fast in fact that
> he and the rest of his faired Lightning companions just
> finished 1st ahead of every other team, all uprights at
> the Race Across America. We are so slow and he is so fast.
>
> I must admit we have been pretty excited in this household
> since discovering that Bob was doing the race and then
> actually winning with Lightning's team. We did track them
> all the way across Ohio thence to West Virginia, Maryland,
> Pennsylvania, and New Jersey just this morning.
>
> Alright, so I am living vicariously....

It is better to live vicariously when it comes to some
things than to live them in your own person. I have been
reading books about mountain climbing all my life but I
have never once wanted to "climb" a mountain myself.. I
have walked up many a mountain, but I refuse to climb
them. That is because I have a very highly developed
sense of self preservation. Most mountain climbers manage
to get themselves killed sooner or later. Mostly
avalanches take them out.

Following bicycle races is a harmless pastime and I do not
begrudge anyone a harmless pastime. I wish I could be so
easily amused. But apparently it is not to be. Unless I am
intellectually stimulated I am bored. And so I use my mind
and do not spend any time at all following the physical
exploits of others.

Your posts are unique in that you do not post the message to
which you are responding. This could get really confusing if
too many did this.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 04:02 AM   #8
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Ed wrote that > [my} posts are unique in that [I] do not
post the message to which you are responding. This could get
really confusing if too many did this.

Reply:

Dear Ed,

My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can easily
see what went before, and I don't need to read it again, in
fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. I didn't realize
there were others who were reading the posts in a thread
without reading what went before.

When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette to
post only quote that portion of a comment that was necessary
to understand the follow up in context.

Have the readers changed so that this is no longer true? I
have been away a while.

I do apologize if I have confused you in any way. That was
not my intention.

Melanie
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 04:15 AM   #9
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On 27 Jun 2004 11:55:18 -0700, fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com
(Melanie) wrote in message
<f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com>:

>My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can easily
>see what went before, and I don't need to read it again, in
>fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth.

"waste of bandwidth" is as good a description of Mr Ed as
you will be needing :-)

>When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette
>to post only quote that portion of a comment that was
>necessary to understand the follow up in context.

Is still correct usage in my book.

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

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Washington University
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 09:18 AM   #10
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com...
> Ed wrote that > [my} posts are unique in that [I] do not
> post the message to which you are responding. This could
> get really confusing if too many did this.
>
> Reply:
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can
> easily see what went before, and I don't need to read it
> again, in fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. I
> didn't realize there were others who were reading the
> posts in a thread without reading what went before.

You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a
newsgroup posting style. But you are not contentious like I
am and so others are not jumping in on your messages and
taking issue with everything you say. If they were, your
style would not work. I am the opposite of you. I seem to
bring all the nuts and screwballs out of the woodwork and
any post I contribute to will get downright contentious - to
say the least.

The main thing to keep in mind is that the world is reading
what we are writing to one another and the world can add
their two cents worth to the ongoing conversation. Because
this is the way a newsgroup works, it is essential to add
context and references every inch of the way, not so much
for our benefit, but for the benefit of others who may be
reading the message. Very many readers are NOT reading what
has come before. To get a perfect picture of what our posts
look like to others, you have to go to the Google web page
and see how they are displayed there. The newsreaders that
you and I are using can be quite misleading.

> When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette
> to post only quote that portion of a comment that was
> necessary to understand the follow up in context.
>
> Have the readers changed so that this is no longer true? I
> have been away a while.

No, the above is still true and will always be true. But
bear in mind that it is always better to include too much
of a previous message than too little. Whatever else
others might say about me, they can never accuse me of
editing a post to show myself only in a good light. So
very many others do that here on ARBR that I am almost
alone in my honesty.

> I do apologize if I have confused you in any way. That was
> not my intention.

and ameliorating differences. May you live a hundred years!

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 09:18 AM   #11
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> On 27 Jun 2004 11:55:18 -0700,
> fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com (Melanie) wrote in message
> <f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com>:
>
> >My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can
> >easily see what went before, and I don't need to read it
> >again, in fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth.
>
> "waste of bandwidth" is as good a description of Mr Ed as
> you will be needing :-)

These little side comments of Guy's are getting tiresome.
But I suppose that is what one does when one has nothing of
substance to contribute. I note that Mr. Sherman is doing
this sort of thing more and more of late too.

> >When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette
> >to post only quote that portion of a comment that was
> >necessary to understand the follow up in context.
>
> Is still correct usage in my book.

Of course it is. How else is anyone going to know what is
being said. But you, along with many others here, edit me
too severely. You do not include enough of what I have said
in my message to be fair to me. You need to be less
concerned about putting yourself in good light and more
concerned about being honest to your correspondent. Follow
my example!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 11:49 AM   #12
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n0 1

Doofus begged:
> Follow my example!
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 05:46 PM   #13
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"bil" <me@notme.net> wrote in message news:FkLDc.1930$151.1073@fed1read02...
>
> n0 1
>
> Doofus begged:
> > Follow my example!

That was not a suggestion where Guy or you are concerned,
but more like an order - which is all you two bozos
understand.

But I see you are continuing to top post. And editing too
severely. Back to school with you - blockhead! But then, no
one reads you except me so maybe it doesn't matter!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Old 28-06.-2004, 09:00 PM   #14
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Ed, you wrote:

You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a
newsgroup posting style.

Reply:

No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually a
rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet, to
assist individuals with lower end computers, or who are very
busy and have very little time, to be able to participate in
a discussion.

The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework and
don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause
disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in
this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try
and include a little more of what I am responding to so
you won't be so lost.

Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I am
and so others are not jumping in on your messages and taking
issue with everything you say.

Reply:

Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with
bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody has
political opinions of one kind or another, but I personally
don't think they belong here. Nor do personal insults,
because as you say "Everyone is reading what we say". (well
probably not, many NG readers either stop reading or
participating in a news group full of off topic posts, spam
or flame wars. Why do you think so many regulars left the
newsgroup?)

You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. "

No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to get
them to respond to you-- watching your posts over the years,
I hypothesize you go outside the rules and etiquette because
you want attention. Perhaps you are lonely and this is the
only way to get attention so folks will respond to you-- let
you know that you matter, and that you are thought
about...."

The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay
on topic and try and think about the majority of readers
who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute
from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes. You
have wisdom.

But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately inflame
people. You lose your ability to persuade, to get respect
and change lives and minds, when you set up to be
deliberately off topic and contrarian all the time.

I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to
maturity, and the patience to be open minded and respectful.

OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring extremely
high levels of testosterone, and this can make man or woman
extremely aggressive and disagreeable.

Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you?

You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade folks
that you are right, that is if you wanted to...

Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more people
would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your great ride
stories with us?

All the best Ed,

Keep riding....

Melanie
 
Old 29-06.-2004, 07:15 AM   #15
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Melanie:

As a general rule I top post, although if it's in direct
response to something in the thread I usually quote that.
That's a form or procedure that's often used on web forums
where bandwidth *is* an issue. It's also used in email
listserves, and has become something of a necessity in the
blogging world, where it goes under the name "fisking."
Often, if I'm in a hurry I simply don't read a messasge that
isn't top posted, because it takes too long to scroll to
something that might not be interesting anyway. If you can
easily see a response, or at least a quote that the author
considers important, it's easy to decide whether you want to
read more.

Trolls hate top posting, for some reason. Well, they hate a
lot of stuff, including themselves.

--
--Scott "Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in
message
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> Ed, you wrote:
>
> You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a
> newsgroup posting style.
>
> Reply:
>
> No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually a
> rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet, to
> assist individuals with lower end computers, or who are
> very busy and have very little time, to be able to
> participate in a discussion.
>
> The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework and
> don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause
> disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in
> this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try
> and include a little more of what I am responding to so
> you won't be so lost.
>
> Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I am
> and so others are not jumping in on your messages and
> taking issue with everything you say.
>
> Reply:
>
> Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with
> bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody has
> political opinions of one kind or another, but I
> personally don't think they belong here. Nor do personal
> insults, because as you say "Everyone is reading what we
> say". (well probably not, many NG readers either stop
> reading or participating in a news group full of off topic
> posts, spam or flame wars. Why do you think so many
> regulars left the newsgroup?)
>
> You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. "
>
> No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to get
> them to respond to you-- watching your posts over the
> years, I hypothesize you go outside the rules and
> etiquette because you want attention. Perhaps you are
> lonely and this is the only way to get attention so folks
> will respond to you-- let you know that you matter, and
> that you are thought about...."
>
> The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay
> on topic and try and think about the majority of readers
> who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute
> from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes. You
> have wisdom.
>
> But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately
> inflame people. You lose your ability to persuade, to get
> respect and change lives and minds, when you set up to be
> deliberately off topic and contrarian all the time.
>
> I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to
> maturity, and the patience to be open minded and
> respectful.
>
> OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring
> extremely high levels of testosterone, and this can make
> man or woman extremely aggressive and disagreeable.
>
> Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you?
>
> You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade folks
> that you are right, that is if you wanted to...
>
> Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more people
> would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your great
> ride stories with us?
>
> All the best Ed,
>
> Keep riding....
>
> Melanie
 
 


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