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RAAM has been around for a number of years now. I remember
John Marino as being one of the originators of the race. It is strictly for endurance athletes and this is the sort of thing that has always interested me. I have absolutely no interest in staged races like the Tour de France or criteriums. Endurance long distance events are where it's at for me! I remember William F. Buckley once stating that it was more interesting for him to be able to jump out of an airplane and land in a bucket of water than to traverse Death Valley hiking in the summer heat. I am just the opposite of that. Only endurance events interest me. I would much rather be able to hike the length of Death Valley than perform any skillful thing. In fact, I have always wanted to hike across the Sahara Desert from the Mediterranean littoral to Timbuktu. But I have always known that I am as crazy as a Minnesota loon. Maybe if there is a life after death, God in His infinite mercy will permit my spirit to hike across the Sahara Desert to Timbuktu, after which I can go into oblivion permanently at rest with the demons that have tormented me all my life. There is a fellow from Sheldon, Iowa (Randy Van Zee) who is participating in this event. He lives not far from where I am at. So I will follow this event to see how he does. RAAM began today in San Diego and will conclude in Atlantic City in a bit over a week from now. In any event, there may be some on this newsgroup who may be interested in this event. Here is the web site if you are interested: http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/ There you will be able to get daily updates and special reports on how the race is going. Enjoy! -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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This falls in the category of really weird. I have this
fantasy of going fast-- in going slow I help make the rest of these fast riders possible. After all, if it weren't for us their wouldn't be a anyone to go faster than. Anyway, while I am imaging how fast I can be, I occassionally hit ultra cycling sites and dream about doing enough brevets to actually do Paris Brest Paris. I watch the twelve hour dvd version of the tour de france. I watch the Giro de Italia. So I hit the RAAM site. I learned that the RAAM ride leader will be going through Circleville, OH between 5-7am tomorrow morning. I also learned that the team in the lead as of last night eastern time is ALS Lightning. This of course interested me because: I own a Lightning. Mine of course is the slow kind, a Stealth, but it is based on the P-38. So my interest peaked. Then I read further about the four man team. To my surprise it looks like one of the riders is the cousin of my partner...his name Bob Fourney! I couldn't believe this.... so I asked and sure enough we think its the same guy. He was always into ultra cycling but this takes the cake. So I figure a field trip to Circleville am tomorrow worth a trip. Note that at least two of the four ride leaders, out to set a coast to coast record of slightly over 5 days, are recumbents on LIGHTNINGS! For those of you following my mosts, this would be the hare! |
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406250429.6a838ee5@posting.google.com... > This falls in the category of really weird. I have this > fantasy of going fast-- in going slow I help make the rest > of these fast riders possible. After all, if it weren't > for us their wouldn't be a anyone to go faster than. > > Anyway, while I am imaging how fast I can be, I > occassionally hit ultra cycling sites and dream about > doing enough brevets to actually do Paris Brest Paris. I > watch the twelve hour dvd version of the tour de france. I > watch the Giro de Italia. [...] This newsgroup is replete with those who think the Tour de France is God's gift to humanity. It appears that you fall into this category yourself. You are lucky as the world is set up to cater to these types of really weird interests. RAAM is of course an abomination, but I do like the idea of being able to cycle across this country. But I would not make it a race. It would just be a tour and the longer it took the better. This mania for always wanting to turn everything into a race and to want to go fast is simply insane. It's fun to tweak all the wanna-go-fast crowd here on ARBR. They can no more understand me than I can them. -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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Well it turns out the Lightning ALS team does have the
person we thought on their team. They are currently between Athens, Ohio and Parkersburg West Virginia, and they are flying! Unfortunately for us, they are going so fast that we can't even catch them in the car.... I am so excited! |
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406251732.5afc8fa9@posting.google.com... > Well it turns out the Lightning ALS team does have the > person we thought on their team. They are currently > between Athens, Ohio and Parkersburg West Virginia, and > they are flying! Unfortunately for us, they are going so > fast that we can't even catch them in the car.... > > I am so excited! Melanie, they are going so fast because they can't wait to get the misery over with. They are no doubt asking themselves with every passing mile why they are doing this thing. And they are no doubt resolving never to do anything this foolish ever again in their lives if they survive it. Aren't you glad that you and I are smart enough not to even want to do this crazy sort of thing. It is enough to sit on the sidelines and laugh at them. -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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Heck, that is the beauty of being on a bent. We can take our
time or rush along depending on mood, wind, incline or inclination. I'm slow and that's it... happy but slow... Bob Fourney is fast, extremely fast, so fast in fact that he and the rest of his faired Lightning companions just finished 1st ahead of every other team, all uprights at the Race Across America. We are so slow and he is so fast. I must admit we have been pretty excited in this household since discovering that Bob was doing the race and then actually winning with Lightning's team. We did track them all the way across Ohio thence to West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey just this morning. Alright, so I am living vicariously.... back to celebrating the slow tomorrow.... Melanie |
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406270242.2997fedf@posting.google.com... > Heck, that is the beauty of being on a bent. We can take > our time or rush along depending on mood, wind, incline or > inclination. I'm slow and that's it... happy but slow... I am always telling everyone that there is no penalty for being slow on a recumbent when it comes to comfort. That factor stays the same whether fast or slow. That is not true with uprights. If you go slow on an upright you will suffer for it. > Bob Fourney is fast, extremely fast, so fast in fact that > he and the rest of his faired Lightning companions just > finished 1st ahead of every other team, all uprights at > the Race Across America. We are so slow and he is so fast. > > I must admit we have been pretty excited in this household > since discovering that Bob was doing the race and then > actually winning with Lightning's team. We did track them > all the way across Ohio thence to West Virginia, Maryland, > Pennsylvania, and New Jersey just this morning. > > Alright, so I am living vicariously.... It is better to live vicariously when it comes to some things than to live them in your own person. I have been reading books about mountain climbing all my life but I have never once wanted to "climb" a mountain myself.. I have walked up many a mountain, but I refuse to climb them. That is because I have a very highly developed sense of self preservation. Most mountain climbers manage to get themselves killed sooner or later. Mostly avalanches take them out. Following bicycle races is a harmless pastime and I do not begrudge anyone a harmless pastime. I wish I could be so easily amused. But apparently it is not to be. Unless I am intellectually stimulated I am bored. And so I use my mind and do not spend any time at all following the physical exploits of others. Your posts are unique in that you do not post the message to which you are responding. This could get really confusing if too many did this. -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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Ed wrote that > [my} posts are unique in that [I] do not
post the message to which you are responding. This could get really confusing if too many did this. Reply: Dear Ed, My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can easily see what went before, and I don't need to read it again, in fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. I didn't realize there were others who were reading the posts in a thread without reading what went before. When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette to post only quote that portion of a comment that was necessary to understand the follow up in context. Have the readers changed so that this is no longer true? I have been away a while. I do apologize if I have confused you in any way. That was not my intention. Melanie |
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On 27 Jun 2004 11:55:18 -0700, fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com
(Melanie) wrote in message <f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com>: >My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can easily >see what went before, and I don't need to read it again, in >fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. "waste of bandwidth" is as good a description of Mr Ed as you will be needing :-) >When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette >to post only quote that portion of a comment that was >necessary to understand the follow up in context. Is still correct usage in my book. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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"Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com... > Ed wrote that > [my} posts are unique in that [I] do not > post the message to which you are responding. This could > get really confusing if too many did this. > > Reply: > > Dear Ed, > > My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can > easily see what went before, and I don't need to read it > again, in fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. I > didn't realize there were others who were reading the > posts in a thread without reading what went before. You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a newsgroup posting style. But you are not contentious like I am and so others are not jumping in on your messages and taking issue with everything you say. If they were, your style would not work. I am the opposite of you. I seem to bring all the nuts and screwballs out of the woodwork and any post I contribute to will get downright contentious - to say the least. The main thing to keep in mind is that the world is reading what we are writing to one another and the world can add their two cents worth to the ongoing conversation. Because this is the way a newsgroup works, it is essential to add context and references every inch of the way, not so much for our benefit, but for the benefit of others who may be reading the message. Very many readers are NOT reading what has come before. To get a perfect picture of what our posts look like to others, you have to go to the Google web page and see how they are displayed there. The newsreaders that you and I are using can be quite misleading. > When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette > to post only quote that portion of a comment that was > necessary to understand the follow up in context. > > Have the readers changed so that this is no longer true? I > have been away a while. No, the above is still true and will always be true. But bear in mind that it is always better to include too much of a previous message than too little. Whatever else others might say about me, they can never accuse me of editing a post to show myself only in a good light. So very many others do that here on ARBR that I am almost alone in my honesty. > I do apologize if I have confused you in any way. That was > not my intention. and ameliorating differences. May you live a hundred years! -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:vb6ud0t32ch5iab1m334oa6k9tumu37f5q@4ax.com... > On 27 Jun 2004 11:55:18 -0700, > fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com (Melanie) wrote in message > <f63c98e9.0406271055.4308159e@posting.google.com>: > > >My newsgroup reader gives me the whole thread. I can > >easily see what went before, and I don't need to read it > >again, in fact, to me that is a waste of bandwidth. > > "waste of bandwidth" is as good a description of Mr Ed as > you will be needing :-) These little side comments of Guy's are getting tiresome. But I suppose that is what one does when one has nothing of substance to contribute. I note that Mr. Sherman is doing this sort of thing more and more of late too. > >When I first started on ng, it was frequent net etiquette > >to post only quote that portion of a comment that was > >necessary to understand the follow up in context. > > Is still correct usage in my book. Of course it is. How else is anyone going to know what is being said. But you, along with many others here, edit me too severely. You do not include enough of what I have said in my message to be fair to me. You need to be less concerned about putting yourself in good light and more concerned about being honest to your correspondent. Follow my example! -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"bil" <me@notme.net> wrote in message news:FkLDc.1930$151.1073@fed1read02...
> > n0 1 > > Doofus begged: > > Follow my example! That was not a suggestion where Guy or you are concerned, but more like an order - which is all you two bozos understand. But I see you are continuing to top post. And editing too severely. Back to school with you - blockhead! But then, no one reads you except me so maybe it doesn't matter! -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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Ed, you wrote:
You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a newsgroup posting style. Reply: No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually a rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet, to assist individuals with lower end computers, or who are very busy and have very little time, to be able to participate in a discussion. The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework and don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try and include a little more of what I am responding to so you won't be so lost. Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I am and so others are not jumping in on your messages and taking issue with everything you say. Reply: Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody has political opinions of one kind or another, but I personally don't think they belong here. Nor do personal insults, because as you say "Everyone is reading what we say". (well probably not, many NG readers either stop reading or participating in a news group full of off topic posts, spam or flame wars. Why do you think so many regulars left the newsgroup?) You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. " No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to get them to respond to you-- watching your posts over the years, I hypothesize you go outside the rules and etiquette because you want attention. Perhaps you are lonely and this is the only way to get attention so folks will respond to you-- let you know that you matter, and that you are thought about...." The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay on topic and try and think about the majority of readers who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes. You have wisdom. But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately inflame people. You lose your ability to persuade, to get respect and change lives and minds, when you set up to be deliberately off topic and contrarian all the time. I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to maturity, and the patience to be open minded and respectful. OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring extremely high levels of testosterone, and this can make man or woman extremely aggressive and disagreeable. Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you? You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade folks that you are right, that is if you wanted to... Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more people would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your great ride stories with us? All the best Ed, Keep riding.... ![]() Melanie |
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Melanie:
As a general rule I top post, although if it's in direct response to something in the thread I usually quote that. That's a form or procedure that's often used on web forums where bandwidth *is* an issue. It's also used in email listserves, and has become something of a necessity in the blogging world, where it goes under the name "fisking." Often, if I'm in a hurry I simply don't read a messasge that isn't top posted, because it takes too long to scroll to something that might not be interesting anyway. If you can easily see a response, or at least a quote that the author considers important, it's easy to decide whether you want to read more. Trolls hate top posting, for some reason. Well, they hate a lot of stuff, including themselves. -- --Scott "Melanie" <fullmoonbunny@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message news:f63c98e9.0406280347.6913b976@posting.google.com... > Ed, you wrote: > > You are effecting a letter writing style as opposed to a > newsgroup posting style. > > Reply: > > No, on many ng, the "style" you referred to is actually a > rule. Its certainly something unique to the internet, to > assist individuals with lower end computers, or who are > very busy and have very little time, to be able to > participate in a discussion. > > The fact that some ng readers don't do their homework and > don't read to inform themselves shouldn't cause > disrespect for the vast majority who do Ed. I do hear in > this that you think I edited you too much. So I'll try > and include a little more of what I am responding to so > you won't be so lost. > > Ed, you also wrote: But you are not contentious like I am > and so others are not jumping in on your messages and > taking issue with everything you say. > > Reply: > > Some of what you say Ed doesn't have anything to do with > bent bikes, and that is why this NG exists. Everybody has > political opinions of one kind or another, but I > personally don't think they belong here. Nor do personal > insults, because as you say "Everyone is reading what we > say". (well probably not, many NG readers either stop > reading or participating in a news group full of off topic > posts, spam or flame wars. Why do you think so many > regulars left the newsgroup?) > > You wrote: "I am the opposite of you. " > > No, Ed, I think you WANT to be opposite of EVERYONE to get > them to respond to you-- watching your posts over the > years, I hypothesize you go outside the rules and > etiquette because you want attention. Perhaps you are > lonely and this is the only way to get attention so folks > will respond to you-- let you know that you matter, and > that you are thought about...." > > The thing is Ed, you do matter, even if you were to stay > on topic and try and think about the majority of readers > who do read your posts. You have so much to contribute > from your life experience, your rides, and your bikes. You > have wisdom. > > But it gets lost when in setting out to deliberately > inflame people. You lose your ability to persuade, to get > respect and change lives and minds, when you set up to be > deliberately off topic and contrarian all the time. > > I don't think its a gender thing: I think it goes to > maturity, and the patience to be open minded and > respectful. > > OTOH, I have heard that extreme exercise can bring > extremely high levels of testosterone, and this can make > man or woman extremely aggressive and disagreeable. > > Maybe its a hormonal thing. Perhaps rest would help you? > > You too could be peacemaker, and maybe even persuade folks > that you are right, that is if you wanted to... > > Its up to you I suppose. If you did that, even more people > would listen to you Ed. Why not share one of your great > ride stories with us? > > All the best Ed, > > Keep riding.... ![]() > > Melanie |
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