Dishonest "Christian" Uses the Bible to Justify Habitat Destruction!

S O R N I

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:27:07 GMT, "Chris"
> <clgibbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> .He said nothing about the Bible or being a Christian. He
> said nothing .dishonest either. He just stated his
> opinion. He actually treated you .pretty nice considering
> the way you normally treat people. You need a
> .constructive hobby that does not include posting on
> internet news groups. . .The Bible is not a work of
> fiction,
>
> Why do mountain bikers ALWAYS find it necessary to LIE? I
> guess mountain bikng is truly indefensible. Next you are
> going to say it's supported by the Bible!

"Go forth and recreate" -- William, BMP-4

Bill "God told me you're a nutcase and that I should
go ride" S.

Jeff Strickland

The only dishonesty is what you said. Idiot.

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:06:53 -0700, "Baelwulfe" <bobhadley06@comcast.net> wrote:

.So what Mike, Since the Bible is a work of Fiction you
must believe in .Darwinism? That's the biggest lie in the
scientific community for some .time. Most of the so
called proof has been exposed as fraud some as early .as
1860. No need for you to respond to my post though I'll
do it for you.

We are all familiar with the "Big Lie" technique -- repeat a
lie often enough, and some fool will think it's true.

...LIAR why must all mountain bikers lie . .ATC BOB . .
."Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com... .> You
are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the Bible) to
justify .your .> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat. If
you are a Christian, I am VERY .glad .> I am not! .> .> X-Apparently-
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mel.maalouf@bently.com .> To: mjvande@pacbell.net .> Cc:
peter_rissler@rissler.reno.nv.us .> Subject: RE: There are a
few KooKs out there .> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:21:03 -0400
.> MIME-Version: 1.0 .> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
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1" .> .> Mike, .> .> I am sad to have read your email. Here
in Nevada, we enjoy the freedoms .of .> the outdoors like
few places around the world. We are free to enjoy the .>
trails and roads by foot, bike, horse, motorcycle and off
road vehicles in .> many spots around the state. On the
eastern slope of the sierra, many of .> our towns and cities
enjoy these excellent trails right outside our city .>
limits. The experience is exhilarating and also allows
riders to ride UP .> the hills for a good work out, enjoy
the excellent views from up high .(where .> hikers would
take days to access) and descend the smooth sinuating single
.> track. .> .> I know, personally, the person who
constructed Cow Trail. The trail was .> done specifically
for riding, with attention to drainage, vegetation and .>
fun. Many types of users now use the trail and other trails
that are .linked .> to it. He and others worked hard and
long to ensure that the trail would .> last and not affect
the wildlife around. Much of the land here in Nevada .> is
dirt, and therefore is easy to construct trails that do not
damage .> vegetation. And, I have never heard of anyone
killing an animal due to .> riding. .> .> It is sad that you
think that what others choose to do with their time and .>
money is a waste of time. I think that is pretty short
sighted and closed .> minded to think that your views on
what is suitable to do on your spare .time .> is the only
effective way to spend our leisurely time. That type of .>
intolerance is closing in on fascism and is counter to
American and .Nevadan .> values. It sounds like you are from
the Republic of California. Much of .> the increase in our
population are from Californians escaping the grips of .>
the government and high costs of the taxes there. Please
keep your .agendas .> limited to your own area. Better yet,
just forget about them. What good .is .> it to have
wilderness if people cannot responsibly access it and enjoy?
.It .> is like having a treasure buried in the ground for no
one to use. God .gave .> man dominion over the earth for our
pleasure and livelihood. It is our .duty .> to responsibly
use its resources responsibly as a gift from heaven. .> .>
Mel. .> Native Nevadan .> Freedom Fighter .> .> .> Hey all,
.> .> Just received an email about the Bull Ranch - Cow
Canyon Video. It seems a .> well know opponent to MT biking
is using the video to thrash Mountain .> Biking. I was
wondering why there was so many downloads, maybe I should
.send .> him a thank you email? Below is the email. Just for
your information most .of .> the trails in the video are
Motorcycle Trails, still a great place to .ride. .> Now I
need to go clean the road kill off my bike. If only I can
get off .the .> couch because of my aching back. .> .> Pete
.> ----------- .> From: Mike Vandeman
[mailto:mjvande@pacbell.net] .> Sent: Saturday, June 12,
2004 6:43 AM .> To: Recipient list suppressed .> Subject:
Please Watch This Video! .> .> It was shot from a mountain
bike. It shows EXACTLY what a waste of time .> mountain
biking is. The riders pass through some beautiful country,
but .> obviously too fast to SEE or EXPERIENCE any of it!
That's like treating .> dancing as if it were just a means
of getting from one side of a room to .the .> other. How
sad! .> .> You can also see the rutting that mountain biking
causes in the trail. And .> notice how the camera
continually bumps up and down. The rider is .> experiencing
every one of those bumps. It would be amazing, if that
.rattling .> didn't damage their bodies. I tried it once, on
a dirt road. It was .> absolutely the most unpleasant time I
have ever spent in a park in my .life. .> Why anyone would
want to do that to themselves (to say nothing of doing it .>
to the park, wildlife, and other trail users) is beyond me.
.> .> It is also clear that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be aware of
all the small .animals .> and plants killed on this ride.
The rider is going too fast, and has to .give .> his full
attention to not crashing. .> .> P.S. It's best to watch it
over a high-speed Internet connection. .> .> "Here's a video
off our local mountain (Peavine) here in Reno, NV. About
.7.5 .> mins, 70 MB. Video shot in April. .> http://www.tccycling.com/videos/bull_ranch-
cow_canyon.mpg" .> === .> I am working on creating wildlife
habitat that is off-limits to humans .> ("pure habitat").
Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting .auto
.> dependence and road construction.) .> .>
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .> .> === .> I am working on
creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .> humans
("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .>
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) .> .>
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Kamus Of Kadizh

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:00:42 +0000, Mike Vandeman wrote:

> We are all familiar with the "Big Lie" technique -- repeat
> a lie often enough, and some fool will think it's true.

So.... Where are all the fools who believe you??????? Lord
knows you're repeated your nonsense often enough.

--Kamus

R.White

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<tvp5d0p4j71872b6vf2au29fv53aibip2s@4ax.com>...
> On 18 Jun 2004 05:55:02 -0700, bicycle@charter.net
> (R.White) wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:<25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com>... .>
> You are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the
> Bible) to justify your .> selfish destruction of wildlife
> habitat. If you are a Christian, I am VERY glad .> I am
> not! . .You just made God very happy.
>
> I know. He's wagging his tail.

It's comments like this that ensure cars are in the right
place the very instant your un-supervised cat is crossing
the road. MEOW!

<http://www.weirdpicturearchive.com/img/rk-cat.jpg>

Rest-In-Pieces.

Lloyd Parker

In article <64ednZD8ydZydU_dRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
"Baelwulfe" <bobhadley06@comcast.net> wrote:
>So what Mike, Since the Bible is a work of Fiction you must
>believe in Darwinism? That's the biggest lie in the
>scientific community for some time.

Idiot alert just went up to condition orange!

> Most of the so called proof has been exposed as fraud
> some as early as 1860.

Make that condition red.

>No need for you to respond to my post though I'll do
>it for you.
>
>
>...LIAR why must all mountain bikers lie
>
>ATC BOB
>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com...
>> You are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the
>> Bible) to justify
>your
>> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat. If you are a
>> Christian, I am VERY
>glad
>> I am not!
>>
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>> ge.psamer.ps.ge.com> From: mel.maalouf@bently.com To:
>> mjvande@pacbell.net
>> Cc: peter_rissler@rissler.reno.nv.us Subject: RE: There
>> are a few KooKs out there Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004
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>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I am sad to have read your email. Here in Nevada, we
>> enjoy the freedoms
>of
>> the outdoors like few places around the world. We are
>> free to enjoy the trails and roads by foot, bike, horse,
>> motorcycle and off road vehicles in many spots around the
>> state. On the eastern slope of the sierra, many of our
>> towns and cities enjoy these excellent trails right
>> outside our city limits. The experience is exhilarating
>> and also allows riders to ride UP the hills for a good
>> work out, enjoy the excellent views from up high
>(where
>> hikers would take days to access) and descend the smooth
>> sinuating single track.
>>
>> I know, personally, the person who constructed Cow Trail.
>> The trail was done specifically for riding, with
>> attention to drainage, vegetation and fun. Many types of
>> users now use the trail and other trails that are
>linked
>> to it. He and others worked hard and long to ensure that
>> the trail would last and not affect the wildlife around.
>> Much of the land here in Nevada is dirt, and therefore is
>> easy to construct trails that do not damage vegetation.
>> And, I have never heard of anyone killing an animal due
>> to riding.
>>
>> It is sad that you think that what others choose to do
>> with their time and money is a waste of time. I think
>> that is pretty short sighted and closed minded to think
>> that your views on what is suitable to do on your spare
>time
>> is the only effective way to spend our leisurely time.
>> That type of intolerance is closing in on fascism and is
>> counter to American and
>Nevadan
>> values. It sounds like you are from the Republic of
>> California. Much of the increase in our population are
>> from Californians escaping the grips of the government
>> and high costs of the taxes there. Please keep your
>agendas
>> limited to your own area. Better yet, just forget about
>> them. What good
>is
>> it to have wilderness if people cannot responsibly access
>> it and enjoy?
>It
>> is like having a treasure buried in the ground for no one
>> to use. God
>gave
>> man dominion over the earth for our pleasure and
>> livelihood. It is our
>duty
>> to responsibly use its resources responsibly as a gift
>> from heaven.
>>
>> Mel. Native Nevadan Freedom Fighter
>>
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just received an email about the Bull Ranch - Cow Canyon
>> Video. It seems a well know opponent to MT biking is
>> using the video to thrash Mountain Biking. I was
>> wondering why there was so many downloads, maybe I should
>send
>> him a thank you email? Below is the email. Just for your
>> information most
>of
>> the trails in the video are Motorcycle Trails, still a
>> great place to
>ride.
>> Now I need to go clean the road kill off my bike. If only
>> I can get off
>the
>> couch because of my aching back.
>>
>> Pete
>> -----------
>> From: Mike Vandeman [mailto:mjvande@pacbell.net] Sent:
>> Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:43 AM To: Recipient list
>> suppressed Subject: Please Watch This Video!
>>
>> It was shot from a mountain bike. It shows EXACTLY what
>> a waste of time mountain biking is. The riders pass
>> through some beautiful country, but obviously too fast
>> to SEE or EXPERIENCE any of it! That's like treating
>> dancing as if it were just a means of getting from one
>> side of a room to
>the
>> other. How sad!
>>
>> You can also see the rutting that mountain biking causes
>> in the trail. And notice how the camera continually bumps
>> up and down. The rider is experiencing every one of those
>> bumps. It would be amazing, if that
>rattling
>> didn't damage their bodies. I tried it once, on a dirt
>> road. It was absolutely the most unpleasant time I have
>> ever spent in a park in my
>life.
>> Why anyone would want to do that to themselves (to say
>> nothing of doing it to the park, wildlife, and other
>> trail users) is beyond me.
>>
>> It is also clear that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be aware of all
>> the small
>animals
>> and plants killed on this ride. The rider is going too
>> fast, and has to
>give
>> his full attention to not crashing.
>>
>> P.S. It's best to watch it over a high-speed Internet
>> connection.
>>
>> "Here's a video off our local mountain (Peavine) here in
>> Reno, NV. About
>7.5
>> mins, 70 MB. Video shot in April. http://www.tccycling.com/videos/bull_ranch-
>> cow_canyon.mpg"
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
>> limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
>> the previous 8 years fighting
>auto
>> dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
>> limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
>> the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
>> construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 18 Jun 04 15:00:07 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:

.In article <64ednZD8ydZydU_dRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
. "Baelwulfe" <bobhadley06@comcast.net> wrote: .>So what
Mike, Since the Bible is a work of Fiction you must
believe in .>Darwinism? That's the biggest lie in the
scientific community for some .>time. . .Idiot alert
just went up to condition orange! . . .> Most of the so
called proof has been exposed as fraud some as early
.>as 1860. . . .Make that condition red.

He's a mountain biker, isn't he? DUH!

.>No need for you to respond to my post though I'll do it
for you. .> .> .>...LIAR why must all mountain bikers lie .>
.>ATC BOB .> .> .>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net>
wrote in message
.>news:25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com... .>> You
are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the Bible) to
justify .>your .>> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat.
If you are a Christian, I am VERY .>glad .>> I am not! .>>
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psamer.ps.ge.com> .>> From: mel.maalouf@bently.com .>> To:
mjvande@pacbell.net .>> Cc: peter_rissler@rissler.reno.nv.us
.>> Subject: RE: There are a few KooKs out there .>> Date:
Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:21:03 -0400 .>> MIME-Version: 1.0 .>>
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) .>> Content-
Type: text/plain; .>> charset="ISO-8859-1" .>> .>> Mike, .>>
.>> I am sad to have read your email. Here in Nevada, we
enjoy the freedoms .>of .>> the outdoors like few places
around the world. We are free to enjoy the .>> trails and
roads by foot, bike, horse, motorcycle and off road vehicles
in .>> many spots around the state. On the eastern slope of
the sierra, many of .>> our towns and cities enjoy these
excellent trails right outside our city .>> limits. The
experience is exhilarating and also allows riders to ride UP
.>> the hills for a good work out, enjoy the excellent views
from up high .>(where .>> hikers would take days to access)
and descend the smooth sinuating single .>> track. .>> .>> I
know, personally, the person who constructed Cow Trail. The
trail was .>> done specifically for riding, with attention
to drainage, vegetation and .>> fun. Many types of users now
use the trail and other trails that are .>linked .>> to it.
He and others worked hard and long to ensure that the trail
would .>> last and not affect the wildlife around. Much of
the land here in Nevada .>> is dirt, and therefore is easy
to construct trails that do not damage .>> vegetation. And,
I have never heard of anyone killing an animal due to .>>
riding. .>> .>> It is sad that you think that what others
choose to do with their time and .>> money is a waste of
time. I think that is pretty short sighted and closed .>>
minded to think that your views on what is suitable to do on
your spare .>time .>> is the only effective way to spend our
leisurely time. That type of .>> intolerance is closing in
on fascism and is counter to American and .>Nevadan .>>
values. It sounds like you are from the Republic of
California. Much of .>> the increase in our population are
from Californians escaping the grips of .>> the government
and high costs of the taxes there. Please keep your
.>agendas .>> limited to your own area. Better yet, just
forget about them. What good .>is .>> it to have wilderness
if people cannot responsibly access it and enjoy? .>It .>>
is like having a treasure buried in the ground for no one to
use. God .>gave .>> man dominion over the earth for our
pleasure and livelihood. It is our .>duty .>> to responsibly
use its resources responsibly as a gift from heaven. .>> .>>
Mel. .>> Native Nevadan .>> Freedom Fighter .>> .>> .>> Hey
all, .>> .>> Just received an email about the Bull Ranch -
Cow Canyon Video. It seems a .>> well know opponent to MT
biking is using the video to thrash Mountain .>> Biking. I
was wondering why there was so many downloads, maybe I
should .>send .>> him a thank you email? Below is the email.
Just for your information most .>of .>> the trails in the
video are Motorcycle Trails, still a great place to .>ride.
.>> Now I need to go clean the road kill off my bike. If
only I can get off .>the .>> couch because of my aching
back. .>> .>> Pete .>> ----------- .>> From: Mike Vandeman
[mailto:mjvande@pacbell.net] .>> Sent: Saturday, June 12,
2004 6:43 AM .>> To: Recipient list suppressed .>> Subject:
Please Watch This Video! .>> .>> It was shot from a mountain
bike. It shows EXACTLY what a waste of time .>> mountain
biking is. The riders pass through some beautiful country,
but .>> obviously too fast to SEE or EXPERIENCE any of it!
That's like treating .>> dancing as if it were just a means
of getting from one side of a room to .>the .>> other. How
sad! .>> .>> You can also see the rutting that mountain
biking causes in the trail. And .>> notice how the camera
continually bumps up and down. The rider is .>> experiencing
every one of those bumps. It would be amazing, if that
.>rattling .>> didn't damage their bodies. I tried it once,
on a dirt road. It was .>> absolutely the most unpleasant
time I have ever spent in a park in my .>life. .>> Why
anyone would want to do that to themselves (to say nothing
of doing it .>> to the park, wildlife, and other trail
users) is beyond me. .>> .>> It is also clear that it is
IMPOSSIBLE to be aware of all the small .>animals .>> and
plants killed on this ride. The rider is going too fast, and
has to .>give .>> his full attention to not crashing. .>>
.>> P.S. It's best to watch it over a high-speed Internet
connection. .>> .>> "Here's a video off our local mountain
(Peavine) here in Reno, NV. About .>7.5 .>> mins, 70 MB.
Video shot in April. .>> http://www.tccycling.com/videos/bull_ranch-
cow_canyon.mpg" .>> === .>> I am working on creating
wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans .>> ("pure
habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years
fighting .>auto .>> dependence and road construction.) .>>
.>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .>> .>> === .>> I am
working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 .>> years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.) .>> .>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .> .>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:32:08 -0400, Kamus of Kadizhar <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com>
wrote:

.On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:00:42 +0000, Mike Vandeman wrote:
. .> We are all familiar with the "Big Lie" technique --
repeat a lie often enough, .> and some fool will think
it's true. . .So.... Where are all the fools who believe
you??????? Lord knows you're .repeated your nonsense
often enough.

It only works with lies. I don't lie. DUH!

.--Kamus

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Rick Etter

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:4c46d0d08e8if6f2l7co47m3t86gsr8mfm@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:06:53 -0700, "Baelwulfe"
> <bobhadley06@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> .So what Mike, Since the Bible is a work of Fiction you
> must believe in .Darwinism? That's the biggest lie in the
> scientific community for some .time. Most of the so called
> proof has been exposed as fraud some as
early
> .as 1860. No need for you to respond to my post though
> I'll do it for
you.
>
> We are all familiar with the "Big Lie" technique -- repeat
> a lie often
enough,
> and some fool will think it's true.
==========================
So that's why you believe the blathering idiocy you spew
all over usenet. Glad to know that you've admitted to being
the fool .

>
> ...LIAR why must all mountain bikers lie . .ATC BOB . .
> ."Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> .news:25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com... .> You
> are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the Bible) to
> justify .your .> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat.
> If you are a Christian, I am
VERY
> .glad .> I am not! .> .> X-Apparently-To:
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> .> From: mel.maalouf@bently.com .> To: mjvande@pacbell.net
> .> Cc: peter_rissler@rissler.reno.nv.us .> Subject: RE:
> There are a few KooKs out there .> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004
> 12:21:03 -0400 .> MIME-Version: 1.0 .> X-Mailer: Internet
> Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) .> Content-Type: text/plain; .>
> charset="ISO-8859-1" .> .> Mike, .> .> I am sad to have
> read your email. Here in Nevada, we enjoy the
freedoms
> .of .> the outdoors like few places around the world. We
> are free to enjoy
the
> .> trails and roads by foot, bike, horse, motorcycle and
> off road vehicles
in
> .> many spots around the state. On the eastern slope of
> the sierra, many
of
> .> our towns and cities enjoy these excellent trails right
> outside our
city
> .> limits. The experience is exhilarating and also allows
> riders to ride
UP
> .> the hills for a good work out, enjoy the excellent
> views from up high .(where .> hikers would take days to
> access) and descend the smooth sinuating
single
> .> track. .> .> I know, personally, the person who
> constructed Cow Trail. The trail
was
> .> done specifically for riding, with attention to
> drainage, vegetation
and
> .> fun. Many types of users now use the trail and other
> trails that are .linked .> to it. He and others worked
> hard and long to ensure that the trail
would
> .> last and not affect the wildlife around. Much of the
> land here in
Nevada
> .> is dirt, and therefore is easy to construct trails
> that do not damage .> vegetation. And, I have never heard
> of anyone killing an animal due to .> riding. .> .> It is
> sad that you think that what others choose to do with
> their time
and
> .> money is a waste of time. I think that is pretty short
> sighted and
closed
> .> minded to think that your views on what is suitable to
> do on your spare .time .> is the only effective way to
> spend our leisurely time. That type of .> intolerance is
> closing in on fascism and is counter to American and
> .Nevadan .> values. It sounds like you are from the
> Republic of California. Much
of
> .> the increase in our population are from Californians
> escaping the grips
of
> .> the government and high costs of the taxes there.
> Please keep your .agendas .> limited to your own area.
> Better yet, just forget about them. What
good
> .is .> it to have wilderness if people cannot responsibly
> access it and enjoy? .It .> is like having a treasure
> buried in the ground for no one to use. God .gave .> man
> dominion over the earth for our pleasure and livelihood.
> It is our .duty .> to responsibly use its resources
> responsibly as a gift from heaven. .> .> Mel. .> Native
> Nevadan .> Freedom Fighter .> .> .> Hey all, .> .> Just
> received an email about the Bull Ranch - Cow Canyon
> Video. It
seems a
> .> well know opponent to MT biking is using the video to
> thrash Mountain .> Biking. I was wondering why there was
> so many downloads, maybe I should .send .> him a thank you
> email? Below is the email. Just for your information
most
> .of .> the trails in the video are Motorcycle Trails,
> still a great place to .ride. .> Now I need to go clean
> the road kill off my bike. If only I can get off .the .>
> couch because of my aching back. .> .> Pete .> -----------
> .> From: Mike Vandeman [mailto:mjvande@pacbell.net] .>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:43 AM .> To: Recipient
> list suppressed .> Subject: Please Watch This Video! .> .>
> It was shot from a mountain bike. It shows EXACTLY what a
> waste of time .> mountain biking is. The riders pass
> through some beautiful country, but .> obviously too fast
> to SEE or EXPERIENCE any of it! That's like treating .>
> dancing as if it were just a means of getting from one
> side of a room
to
> .the .> other. How sad! .> .> You can also see the rutting
> that mountain biking causes in the trail.
And
> .> notice how the camera continually bumps up and down.
> The rider is .> experiencing every one of those bumps. It
> would be amazing, if that .rattling .> didn't damage their
> bodies. I tried it once, on a dirt road. It was .>
> absolutely the most unpleasant time I have ever spent in a
> park in my .life. .> Why anyone would want to do that to
> themselves (to say nothing of doing
it
> .> to the park, wildlife, and other trail users) is beyond
> me. .> .> It is also clear that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be
> aware of all the small .animals .> and plants killed on
> this ride. The rider is going too fast, and has to .give
> .> his full attention to not crashing. .> .> P.S. It's
> best to watch it over a high-speed Internet connection. .>
> .> "Here's a video off our local mountain (Peavine) here
> in Reno, NV.
About
> .7.5 .> mins, 70 MB. Video shot in April. .> http://www.tccycling.com/videos/bull_ranch-
> cow_canyon.mpg" .> === .> I am working on creating
> wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans .> ("pure
> habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years
> fighting .auto .> dependence and road construction.) .> .>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .> .> === .> I am working
> on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .>
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
> previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence and road
> construction.) .> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
> limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
> the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
> construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Rick Etter

"R.White" <bicycle@charter.net> wrote in message
news:27bc6c79.0406181017.5f01e029@posting.google.com...
> Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<tvp5d0p4j71872b6vf2au29fv53aibip2s@4ax.com>...
> > On 18 Jun 2004 05:55:02 -0700, bicycle@charter.net
> > (R.White) wrote:
> >
> > .Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com>...
> > .> You are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the
> > Bible) to
justify your
> > .> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat. If you are a
> > Christian, I am
VERY glad
> > .> I am not! . .You just made God very happy.
> >
> > I know. He's wagging his tail.
>
> It's comments like this that ensure cars are in the right
> place the very instant your un-supervised cat is crossing
> the road. MEOW!
====================
Bob jumped. I mean, would *you* want to depend on mickey
for anything?

>
> <http://www.weirdpicturearchive.com/img/rk-cat.jpg>
>
> Rest-In-Pieces.

Vendicar Decari

"Chris" <clgibbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fitAc.54233$tH1.2459538@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> By the way if all enviromental nuts act like you, I'm glad
> I'm not one!

Not fiction? How did Noah, fit two of every animal
into his ark?

Did he employ a shrinking machine?

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd
better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and
we will execute you.

I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission
to see to it that they are tried and executed...If we're
going to have true reformation in America, it is because men
once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have a
righteous testosterone flowing through their veins.

They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries.
They are not here to get along. They are here to take over..."-
Randall Terry - (Addressing a banquet sponsored by the US
Tax Payers Alliance, Aug. 8, 1995)

Pmh

Vendicar Decarian wrote:

>"Chris" <clgibbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fitAc.54233$tH1.2459538@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
>
>>By the way if all enviromental nuts act like you, I'm glad
>>I'm not one!
>>
>>
>
>Not fiction? How did Noah, fit two of every animal
>into his ark?
>
>Did he employ a shrinking machine?
>
>
>
How about the less-often mentioned version where Noah takes
seven of every "clean" animal?

Pete H

--
Either everyone has rights or some have privileges. It's
really that simple. Walt Kelly

Vendicar Decari

"PMH" <pmhilton@mfx.net> wrote in message news:40D5F240.3060806@mfx.net...
> How about the less-often mentioned version where Noah
> takes seven of every "clean" animal?

Not very genetically diverse of him now is it.

30 is about the smallest number he would have needed to
prevent a dramatic loss of genetic diversity among the
animals he did take.

Where did he keep the 30 elephants?

In his pants?

In God's pants?

Dnadan56

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:25h4d09fv5be2b5va3112jjhhl5keie5rq@4ax.com...
> You are very dishonest to use a work of fiction (the
> Bible) to justify
your
> selfish destruction of wildlife habitat. If you are a
> Christian, I am VERY
glad
> I am not!
>
These Old-Testament christians had better hope that they
are wrong on this "god" issue. By their own Holy Book, they
are going straight to Hell - do not pass "Go", do not
collect $200.

The irony is delicious...

Dan