Decanio on doping at racelistings.com

John Forrest To

This is wild

http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/article.asp-
?recid=329

JT

B. Lafferty

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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> This is wild
>
> http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
> ecid=329
>
> JT

is 95% clean.

I love thses lines in his blog :

What matters at the end of the day is keeping it real. And
being able to look yourself in the mirror. You can become a
pro clean and you can race as a clean racer. Don't take
drugs, they will ruin your friendships, and your
relationships, and your health. I have seen skeletal changes
in my friends, they are going bald, growing hair on there
back. They have gotten divorced, their life is a f#$king
nightmare. DON'T DO IT. YOU CAN WIN THE TOUR DE FRANCE
CLEAN. SOMEWHERE THERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAN DO IT.

Warren

In article <Ivszc.10363$Y3.1368@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, B.
Lafferty <Magni@Italia.com> wrote:

> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote
> in message
> news:9kksc0d2scl4pse3v3qu5lt6vnh1ioh1j6@4ax.com...
> > This is wild
> >
> > http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a...s/article.asp?-
> > recid=329
> >
> > JT
>

> is 95% clean.
>
> I love thses lines in his blog :
>
> What matters at the end of the day is keeping it real. And
> being able to look yourself in the mirror. You can become
> a pro clean and you can race as a clean racer. Don't take
> drugs, they will ruin your friendships, and your
> relationships, and your health. I have seen skeletal
> changes in my friends, they are going bald, growing hair
> on there back. They have gotten divorced, their life is a
> f#$king nightmare. DON'T DO IT. YOU CAN WIN THE TOUR DE
> FRANCE CLEAN. SOMEWHERE THERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAN DO IT.

I don't see what's so alarming about what he wrote. He tells
it like he saw it with no apparent axe to grind.

-WG

Jim Flom

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote ...
> This is wild
>
> http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
> ecid=329

Really? I'm not the least bit surprised. I'm surprised you
would be. Are you saying you don't believe it, JT?

JF

Psycholist

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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> This is wild
>
> http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
> ecid=329
>
> JT

I'm sure not gonna dope now after reading that. But hey, I'm
a 48 year old club rider.

Bob C. But seriously, you gotta hand it to the guy for
laying it all out there.

Richard Sachs

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
This is wild http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/art-
icle.asp?recid=329 JT

i tend to believe him - and i think it took courage to state
his case publicly. decanio's acheived alot. these facts
resonate with me. e-RICHIE

John Forrest To

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:15:17 GMT, "Jim Flom" <jimflom@telusREMOVE.net>
wrote:

>"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote ...
>> This is wild
>>
>> http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
>> ecid=329
>
>Really? I'm not the least bit surprised. I'm surprised you
>would be. Are you saying you don't believe it, JT?

No, it's just that I'm surprised he is so public ragging on
the Saturn program.

JT

Tritonrider

>From: "Richard Sachs" richardsachs@jsbcglobal.net

>This is wild http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/ar-
>ticle.asp?recid=329 JT
>
>
>
>i tend to believe him - and i think it took courage to
>state his case publicly. decanio's acheived alot. these
>facts resonate with me. e-RICHIE
>
>

It rang true to me. I am surprised too that he said as much
about Saturn as he
did. I do not have the best of things to say about the
Saturn Junior team from experience with them. They had
some good kids, but a bunch of them were at least as
nasty as anything said about Gags, or Sundt. If JT is
bringing this up, and it doesn't surprise Richard then
your going to have to prove otherwise to me. Bill C

Richard Adams

psycholist wrote:

> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote
> in message
> news:9kksc0d2scl4pse3v3qu5lt6vnh1ioh1j6@4ax.com...
>
>>This is wild
>>
>>http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
>>ecid=329
>>
>>JT
>
>
> I'm sure not gonna dope now after reading that. But hey,
> I'm a 48 year old club rider.
>
> Bob C. But seriously, you gotta hand it to the guy for
> laying it all out there.

C'mon. Admit it, you have a beer after a hard ride to make
the aches and pains go away.

Richard Adams

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:15:17 GMT, "Jim Flom"
> <jimflom@telusREMOVE.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote ...
>>
>>>This is wild
>>>
>>>http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a.../article.asp?r-
>>>ecid=329
>>
>>Really? I'm not the least bit surprised. I'm surprised you
>>would be. Are you saying you don't believe it, JT?
>
>
> No, it's just that I'm surprised he is so public ragging
> on the Saturn program.
>
> JT

He's not the first I've heard rip on the Saturn team.
Probably won't be the last.

Psycholist

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> psycholist wrote:
>
> > "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com>
> > wrote in message
> > news:9kksc0d2scl4pse3v3qu5lt6vnh1ioh1j6@4ax.com...
> >
> >>This is wild
> >>
> >>http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/a...s/article.asp?-
> >>recid=329
> >>
> >>JT
> >
> >
> > I'm sure not gonna dope now after reading that. But hey,
> > I'm a 48 year
old
> > club rider.
> >
> > Bob C. But seriously, you gotta hand it to the guy for
> > laying it all out there.
>
>
> C'mon. Admit it, you have a beer after a hard ride to make
> the aches and pains go away.
>

Actually I don't. I'm a former alcoholic. That's the
toughest craving to overcome ... the desire for a post-ride
brew. Jeez. I didn't realize when I was doing that I was
actually a doper, too.

Bob C.

Chris

This is nothing new, though. There are a few teams out there
who seem to turn their riders into a--holes, including a few
junior programs. A few years ago I was cooling down after a
race with a friend when we noticed a prominent NE team ride
by an average joe cyclist with (obvious) mechanical problems
like he didn't exist. We turned around. I'm not saying we're
special, just that we're not winning friends in the public
by being dicks.

Regarding Decanio, I found it an interesting read, but not
too surprising. I've heard a few Saturn stories and U.S.
doping in general. Its so easy to get away with here and its
easy to get good drugs. My views on doping have changed over
the years, but I will say that doping to win some regional
race in the U.S. like Athens Twilight, Bear Mountain or the
Green Mnt Stage race is laim; who are you impressing? God,
I've heard of cat 3's and 4's doping! At least get your D-1
pro contract first and then make that decision. However, if
anyone out there believes Hein's claim that 95% of the Euro
Pro's are clean they're smoking crack.

When I was in Ireland a few weeks ago I caught a great 2 hr
program on doping in sport, with an emphasis on cycling and
running. They had interviews with Robin Seymour (top Irish
cycling MTB), Paul Kimmage, Dick Pound and UCI notables. It
was amazing, the Pound is pointing fingers saying cycling
has a problem, but that doping isn't widespread, the UCI
says 5-10%, and clean riders are saying 95%. Some
researchers are now saying that some genetic manipulation
may already exist. I think what Decanio claims is just the
tip. As I said, its easy to do here and easy to get, so its
very tempting. Whether you agree or not, doping at the top
may be a "necessary evil", but juniors and U-23's need to
realize they need to get to the top on their own merits, not
chemicals. Who want's to dope up to finish last in P-R?
Maybe too many.

CH

CH

> It rang true to me. I am surprised too that he said as
> much about Saturn as he
> did. I do not have the best of things to say about the
> Saturn Junior team from experience with them. They
> had some good kids, but a bunch of them were at least
> as nasty as anything said about Gags, or Sundt. If JT
> is bringing this up, and it doesn't surprise Richard
> then your going to have to prove otherwise to me.
> Bill C

Chris

This is nothing new, though. There are a few teams out there
who seem to turn their riders into a--holes, including a few
junior programs. A few years ago I was cooling down after a
race with a friend when we noticed a prominent NE team ride
by an average joe cyclist with (obvious) mechanical problems
like he didn't exist. We turned around. I'm not saying we're
special, just that we're not winning friends in the public
by being dicks.

Regarding Decanio, I found it an interesting read, but not
too surprising. I've heard a few Saturn stories and U.S.
doping in general. Its so easy to get away with here and its
easy to get good drugs. My views on doping have changed over
the years, but I will say that doping to win some regional
race in the U.S. like Athens Twilight, Bear Mountain or the
Green Mnt Stage race is laim; who are you impressing? God,
I've heard of cat 3's and 4's doping! At least get your D-1
pro contract first and then make that decision. However, if
anyone out there believes Hein's claim that 95% of the Euro
Pro's are clean they're smoking crack. Overall, I think most
of us can pick out the dopers in the U.S. and clean guys;
some guys win big races, others dominate from March to
September. At least in the U.S. you can certainly compete
clean and win, just not so often (e.g. Mark McCormack).

When I was in Ireland a few weeks ago I caught a great 2 hr
program on doping in sport, with an emphasis on cycling and
running. They had interviews with Robin Seymour (top Irish
cycling MTB), Paul Kimmage, Dick Pound and UCI notables. It
was amazing, the Pound is pointing fingers saying cycling
has a problem, but that doping isn't widespread, the UCI
says 5-10%, and clean riders are saying 95%. Some
researchers are now saying that some genetic manipulation
may already exist. I think what Decanio claims is just the
tip. As I said, its easy to do here and easy to get, so its
very tempting. Whether you agree or not, doping at the top
may be a "necessary evil", but juniors and U-23's need to
realize they need to get to the top on their own merits, not
chemicals. Who want's to dope up to finish last in P-R?
Maybe too many.

CH BTW: I am in no way implying or pointing fingers at any
U.S. rider in particular, just generalizing from what I
know (seen/verified) and have heard (rumor or heresay from
those I trust).

> It rang true to me. I am surprised too that he said as
> much about Saturn as he
> did. I do not have the best of things to say about the
> Saturn Junior team from experience with them. They
> had some good kids, but a bunch of them were at least
> as nasty as anything said about Gags, or Sundt. If JT
> is bringing this up, and it doesn't surprise Richard
> then your going to have to prove otherwise to me.
> Bill C

Tim Lines

Richard Adams wrote:

> C'mon. Admit it, you have a beer after a hard ride to make
> the aches and pains go away.
>
Hello. My name is Tim. I'm a recovering Ibuprofen-aholic.

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