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Old 30-09.-2004, 02:31 AM   #346
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If by "people" you mean anyone, athletic or not, then you're probably right. If by "people" you mean serious recreational or professional athletes, I would have to "guess" that you are wrong.

Do you distinguish between overreaching and overtraining?


by "people" i mean anyone who competes in sport. currently, overtraining or unexplained underperformance syndrome isn't well understood, due to a lack of people having it. when studies have been performed to get people overtrained the people conducting studies have failed even though training loads have been e.g., doubled.

when you overreach and recover your fitness increases quite rapidly. when you overtrain you stay unrecovered for long periods of time.

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Old 30-09.-2004, 02:33 AM   #347
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by "people" i mean anyone who competes in sport. currently, overtraining or unexplained underperformance syndrome isn't well understood, due to a lack of people having it. when studies have been performed to get people overtrained the people conducting studies have failed even though training loads have been e.g., doubled.

when you overreach and recover your fitness increases quite rapidly. when you overtrain you stay unrecovered for long periods of time.

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Care to quote one of the studies you love so much?
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Old 30-09.-2004, 02:55 AM   #348
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Care to quote one of the studies you love so much?


why not search for them yourself?

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Old 30-09.-2004, 03:02 AM   #349
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why not search for them yourself?

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LOL -- you can't have it both ways. You can't say "studies prove that you are wrong" and then not back it up with the proof.

So, back it up. Make sure to present a balanced report of the studies, since you are a sports scientist who must be concerned about impartiality and truth, correct?
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Old 30-09.-2004, 03:29 AM   #350
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LOL -- you can't have it both ways. You can't say "studies prove that you are wrong" and then not back it up with the proof.

So, back it up. Make sure to present a balanced report of the studies, since you are a sports scientist who must be concerned about impartiality and truth, correct?


in which case you'll have to wait until i have time to write such a paper

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Old 30-09.-2004, 03:30 AM   #351
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I'm trying to follow this thread but struggling ......

closesupport - you seem confused with your ideas about training cycles. I really think you need to read something like Cyclists Training Bible - by Joe Friel. Its not perfect but it provides a very good explanation of training periodization........then maybe you'll understand better what Ric and others are trying to point out..... and you'll then be abel to reach 400W (ho, ho ,ho)
how many metres per second are covered at 35-38mph, gearing 53x15, what would the power output be there on a flat asphalt road surface and what would the cadence have to be to achieve the above speed?????
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in which case you'll have to wait until i have time to write such a paper


In which case your whole argument falls apart. Sucks to have to bang the drum so loudly for peer-reviewed research all the time, only to find on occassion that there is no drum there?
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Old 30-09.-2004, 03:45 AM   #353
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In which case your whole argument falls apart. Sucks to have to bang the drum so loudly for peer-reviewed research all the time, only to find on occassion that there is no drum there?


writing an article takes some period of time, or do you expect that it would magically be written instantaneously through the power of thought. much as i'd like to sit down and write an article i have far more pressing work to do. hence the reason i suggested you go and look up the research

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writing an article takes some period of time, or do you expect that it would magically be written instantaneously through the power of thought. much as i'd like to sit down and write an article i have far more pressing work to do. hence the reason i suggested you go and look up the research

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more pressing work, you mean belittling other peoples ideas, for improving and making cycling a little more fun and possibly finding a method that works for them, only to be discouraged by you?

or is it a matter of if more people ride, and more people improve, you have more competition to beat; then i agree then maybe you would have reason to attempt to discourage others from attempting other methods than cycling.
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more pressing work, you mean belittling other peoples ideas, for improving and making cycling a little more fun and possibly finding a method that works for them, only to be discouraged by you?

or is it a matter of if more people ride, and more people improve, you have more competition to beat; then i agree then maybe you would have reason to attempt to discourage others from attempting other methods than cycling.


no i have work that needs to be done within certain deadlines.

i wouldn't discourage anyone from beating me

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Old 30-09.-2004, 04:06 AM   #356
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how many metres per second are covered at 35-38mph, gearing 53x15, what would the power output be there on a flat asphalt road surface and what would the cadence have to be to achieve the above speed?????


to convert mph to m/s first convert mph to km/hr (multiply by 1.6x) and then divide by 3.6.

unfortunately, you can't ascertain power with the data presented, as it requires other info (e.g., CdA, body mass, environmental and topographical conditions etc)

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