3000 miles in 10 months... so Why am I still fat?

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:29:34 -0700, "GaryG"
<garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:

>"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
>news:f4una0lluvopp8ddss5hf2lnqor8rshji4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:58:18 -0700, "GaryG"
>> <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:
>>
>> >default "Calendar" view (http://www.shastasoftware.com/-
>> >WeightWare/CalendarTab.htm ) would be difficult to
>> >reproduce in Excel, and allows you to see your weekly
>> >and monthly progress at a glance.
>>
>> It -is- pretty. I didnt' realize there were more tabs.
>> Nice. I'm going to go ahead and download. My brother, who
>> is less PC savvy might get a kick outta it.
>>
>> You coding in VB, or C++?
>>
>> -B
>>
>
>Old school <g> - VB
>
>I've always preferred higher-level "wordy" languages that
>result in more-or-less human readable code (I was a COBOL
>programmer earlier in my career).
>
>GG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Diary
>

Me too. Circa 1973. VB(94) and Windows Help Authoring (94) -
where I was a legend.

-Badger

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:29:34 -0700, "GaryG"
<garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:

>"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
>news:f4una0lluvopp8ddss5hf2lnqor8rshji4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:58:18 -0700, "GaryG"
>> <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:
>>
>> >default "Calendar" view (http://www.shastasoftware.com/-
>> >WeightWare/CalendarTab.htm ) would be difficult to
>> >reproduce in Excel, and allows you to see your weekly
>> >and monthly progress at a glance.
>>
>> It -is- pretty. I didnt' realize there were more tabs.
>> Nice. I'm going to go ahead and download. My brother, who
>> is less PC savvy might get a kick outta it.
>>
>> You coding in VB, or C++?
>>
>> -B
>>
>
>Old school <g> - VB
>
>I've always preferred higher-level "wordy" languages that
>result in more-or-less human readable code (I was a COBOL
>programmer earlier in my career).
>
>GG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Diary
>

Me too. Circa 1973. VB(94) and Windows Help Authoring (94) -
where I was a legend.

-Badger

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:26:45 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The only time I get cravings is on the days when I'm eating
>carbs...after a night of no eating, I get no cravings the
>next day....so I go back to strict LCing and have no
>problems....but, as you know, it is a YMMV kind of
>thing....
>
>The occasional CKD keeps me very happy to do LC the rest of
>the time. Sometimes I will fast the day after a CKD to get
>back into BDK quicker, too.

You rule, man. I mean it!

Thx.

-Badger

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:26:45 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The only time I get cravings is on the days when I'm eating
>carbs...after a night of no eating, I get no cravings the
>next day....so I go back to strict LCing and have no
>problems....but, as you know, it is a YMMV kind of
>thing....
>
>The occasional CKD keeps me very happy to do LC the rest of
>the time. Sometimes I will fast the day after a CKD to get
>back into BDK quicker, too.

You rule, man. I mean it!

Thx.

-Badger

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:16:04 -0400, "psycholist" <technico@wctel.net>
wrote:

>
>"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:45:12 -0400, "psycholist"
>> <technico@wctel.net>

>> Can you give an example of foods that you stopped eating,
>> and their cholesterol content? This is pretty
>> interesting.
>>
>> Did you continue the 'no cholesterol' diet for longer
>> than the 6 weeks, or was that a temporary measure to
>> bring your weight down?
>>
>> -B
>>
>
>I used to believe that, as much as I rode, I could eat
>whatever I wanted. So I did. When my cholestrol problem was
>diagnosed, the solution was easy. I quit having a half a
>stick of butter on my popcorn every night. I stopped having
>a half a jar of blue cheese dressing on my salads several
>times a week. I stopped eating bacon altogether. I stopped
>eating eggs altogether. I started eating oatmeal and low-
>fat everything. I started reading labels and, if it had any
>cholestrol at all, I passed. I remember really getting
>ticked off when I went to Chic Fil A and ordered their most
>basic chicken sandwich ... a piece of baked chicken on a
>piece of bread with no breading or anything (but a pickle).
>Then I learned after I ate it that they brushed butter on
>the inside of the bread. I went nuts! Why would they do
>that? Clearly it's a menu item that nobody in their right
>mind would order unless they were on some sort of extreme
>diet and THEY PUT BUTTER ON IT!!!????!!!
>
>Anyway, you get the idea how I made that work and lost a
>lot of weight. Now I'm more moderate. I'll have a little
>butter. But I eat turkey bacon, not real bacon. I eat
>yogurt, not ice cream. I just make better choices all the
>way around. I've gone from a total cholestrol of 255 (about
>18 months ago) down to the latest which was 173 last week.
>I haven't taken any drugs to achieve this. I was 167 lbs
>back then and I'm about 152 now. I'm pretty fit for 48
>years old.
>
>Bob C.

You know I was all set to poke atcha, but after reading your
reply and your results, no way, bro.

The important thing is that you do what you do with passion
and committment and I applaud you, sir. Thanks for sharing.

Best, -Badger

Bernie

Steve Knight wrote:

>
>>Well, for much of human history people were lean indeed on
>>a diet of complex carbs, mainly in the form of grains,
>>vegetables and very little animal protein. It is quite
>>easy to have a diet like that and be quite lean.
>>
>
>humans only started eating grains when we learned to
>cultivate. we did not evolve eating grains.
>
I don't believe it. Our teeth are plant grinders, not
carnivore cutting slashing etc. teeth. We are apes, not
cats. (Homo Sapiens is the Thinking Ape). I've watched too
many Knowledge Network films of baboons and chimpanzees in
grassy fields eating wild grass seeds. They spend the day
at it, every day, with ocasional lucky encounters with fat
insects, lizards, scorpions and like that. We just
cultivated what was best for us, and was easy to grow. We
still diligently cultivate our lawns. I'm saying
everything we do has previous history. Nothing comes out
of a vacuum, it comes from prior experience. IMHO, we went
from wild grasses to cultivated grains quite naturally,
not as a single event. Farming was the result of
primitives holding good ground for themselves and making
it produce the things they ate in a more productive way
than when they let nature do the job by itself. Bottom
line: we DID evolve eating grains, we just didn't plant
them at first. Best regards, Bernie

Badger_south

On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:26:04 -0700, Bernie <bmcilvan@mouse-potato.com>
wrote:
>
>Steve Knight wrote:
>
>>
>>>Well, for much of human history people were lean indeed
>>>on a diet of complex carbs, mainly in the form of grains,
>>>vegetables and very little animal protein. It is quite
>>>easy to have a diet like that and be quite lean.
>>>
>>
>>humans only started eating grains when we learned to
>>cultivate. we did not evolve eating grains.
>>
>I don't believe it. Our teeth are plant grinders, not
>carnivore cutting slashing etc. teeth. We are apes, not
>cats. (Homo Sapiens is the Thinking Ape). I've watched too
>many Knowledge Network films of baboons and chimpanzees in
>grassy fields eating wild grass seeds. They spend the day
>at it, every day, with ocasional lucky encounters with fat
>insects, lizards, scorpions and like that. We just
>cultivated what was best for us, and was easy to grow. We
>still diligently cultivate our lawns. I'm saying
>everything we do has previous history. Nothing comes out
>of a vacuum, it comes from prior experience. IMHO, we went
>from wild grasses to cultivated grains quite naturally,
>not as a single event. Farming was the result of
>primitives holding good ground for themselves and making
>it produce the things they ate in a more productive way
>than when they let nature do the job by itself. Bottom
>line: we DID evolve eating grains, we just didn't plant
>them at first. Best regards, Bernie

Not true. Eating protein allowed us to develop bigger and
better bodies and brains.

I agree about the denture configuration, but we do have the
ability to cook the meat.

-B I'm talking out my butt here, too lazy to google the link
between brains and better nutrition, but it seems right, and
I'm a biologist and pathologist. So there. <g

Dan Baker

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<htudndRKeeTvQjfd4p2dnA@aros.net>...
> I still weigh 274! I mean... come on! 3000 miles for 5
> pounds?!
> ---------------------------------------------------
a couple things you can consider are:

- fat is about 3000 calories per pound... takes a while to
burn it, but it sounds like you have the self-discipline
to keep it up.

- look at WHEN you eat versus when you ride to encourage
your body to burn fat rather than "get hungry". i.e. ride
BEFORE you eat, but at a fairly low intensity (no more
than 60% of max) so that your body thinks its safe to take
the time to metabolize the fat rather than scream for
emergency rations during or shortly after the workout.

- DO eat regularly and "sensibly" to prevent your body from
going into hibernation mode. eat a little bit, multiple
times during the day, but good food. Then your body will
think its ok to metabolize fat to make up the caloric
difference.

- avoid deserts and alcohol... empty calories.

d

Bernie

Badger_South wrote:

>On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:26:04 -0700, Bernie <bmcilvan@mouse-
>potato.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve Knight wrote:
>>
>>>>Well, for much of human history people were lean indeed
>>>>on a diet of complex carbs, mainly in the form of
>>>>grains, vegetables and very little animal protein. It is
>>>>quite easy to have a diet like that and be quite lean.
>>>>
>>>humans only started eating grains when we learned to
>>>cultivate. we did not evolve eating grains.
>>>
>>I don't believe it. Our teeth are plant grinders, not
>>carnivore cutting slashing etc. teeth. We are apes, not
>>cats. (Homo Sapiens is the Thinking Ape). I've watched too
>>many Knowledge Network films of baboons and chimpanzees in
>>grassy fields eating wild grass seeds. They spend the day
>>at it, every day, with ocasional lucky encounters with fat
>>insects, lizards, scorpions and like that. We just
>>cultivated what was best for us, and was easy to grow. We
>>still diligently cultivate our lawns. I'm saying
>>everything we do has previous history. Nothing comes out
>>of a vacuum, it comes from prior experience. IMHO, we went
>>from wild grasses to cultivated grains quite naturally,
>>not as a single event. Farming was the result of
>>primitives holding good ground for themselves and making
>>it produce the things they ate in a more productive way
>>than when they let nature do the job by itself. Bottom
>>line: we DID evolve eating grains, we just didn't plant
>>them at first. Best regards, Bernie
>>
>
>Not true. Eating protein allowed us to develop bigger and
>better bodies and brains.
>
I (not a scientist) don't doubt that. We are meat eaters as
well as grain eaters, and of course humans are generalists
when it comes to diet. We have been so for a very long time.

>
>I agree about the denture configuration, but we do have the
>ability to cook the meat.
>
>-B I'm talking out my butt here, too lazy to google the
>link between brains and better nutrition, but it seems
>right, and I'm a biologist and pathologist. So there. <g>
>
What you say is reasonable. My point was that we did not
start growing and eating grains right out of the blue. We've
used plant foods - grain, fruit, roots, greens etc. as
hunter/gatherers since before we were real humans. It
appears we always supplemented our diet with protein rich
foods like locusts, ants, termites etc. My point was that
when humans began to settle down, instead of remaining
hunter gatherers, we grew the foods that we already knew to
be good for us. Grass seeds (wheat for example) were a no
brainer since it stores so well to feed us in hard times. As
for the ability to cook meat, the Inuit of the Arctic eat a
great deal of animal foods, and cooking often is not part of
the recipe! Bernie

Badger_south

On Thu, 20 May 2004 00:45:05 -0700, Bernie <bmcilvan@mouse-potato.com>
wrote:

>>I agree about the denture configuration, but we do have
>>the ability to cook the meat.
>>
>>-B I'm talking out my butt here, too lazy to google the
>>link between brains and better nutrition, but it seems
>>right, and I'm a biologist and pathologist. So there. <g>
>>
>What you say is reasonable. My point was that we did not
>start growing and eating grains right out of the blue.
>We've used plant foods - grain, fruit, roots, greens etc.
>as hunter/gatherers since before we were real humans. It
>appears we always supplemented our diet with protein rich
>foods like locusts, ants, termites etc. My point was that
>when humans began to settle down, instead of remaining
>hunter gatherers, we grew the foods that we already knew to
>be good for us. Grass seeds (wheat for example) were a no
>brainer since it stores so well to feed us in hard times.
>As for the ability to cook meat, the Inuit of the Arctic
>eat a great deal of animal foods, and cooking often is not
>part of the recipe! Bernie

Even so it's a fascinating subject. As you are prob. aware
the Polar Bear will discard the meat in favor of the blubber
when eating the seals. The Inuit will also include a large
portion of blubber, and they're not fat, per se. So we see
apriori evidence that eating fat doesn't make you fat.
Insulin has the power to make you fat (or muscular depending
on what you're doing and when you're eating and with what
other foods).

I have a pretty strange constitution, methinks, b/c I can
eat vast quantites of punkin seeds (David), shell and all,
and that seems to function as my psyllium allowing my
roughage and the passage of all the protein. My wife thinks
I'm going to get highblood pressure b/c of all the salt. So
I stopped eating them completely a month or two ago, when I
read reports of high sodium being linked to stomach ca. But
no high blood pressure. In some ppl the Chloride component
can cause high BP, in some the Sodium component seems
responsible, so switching to the 'other' salt (KCL?) doesn't
help them. But I digress.

One thing I wish though is that as a child I wasn't made to
eat all the sugared cereal. Quisp and Quake, Sugar Pops,
Trix. Arrgh. I hate that shite now, and in fact all sugary
stuff makes me cringe. (Though I like fresh made doughnuts,
and have a weak spot for Moose Tracks).

I had all the components to make a good bodybuilder in my
Ute, but lacked the knowledge component on how to make a LC
diet work. Wasn't until 1998 that I figured it out and made
it work. Oh well. In my 50s I have the potential to be
better than ever, and I'm gettin' there.

-B

Matty J

STUDIES now seem to show exercise wont make you loose much
weight,it will only help you maintain that weight level once
you reach it .reducing calories is the only way to loose the
weight..i guess its true because i notice the more i
exercise the more i eat...

Badger_south

On 20 May 2004 01:35:10 -0700, mathjak@aol.com (matty j) wrote:

>STUDIES now seem to show exercise wont make you loose much
>weight,it will only help you maintain that weight level
>once you reach it .reducing calories is the only way to
>loose the weight..i guess its true because i notice the
>more i exercise the more i eat...

A tip: If the weight is loose, apply more duct tape.

-B

Stephen Harding

Pbwalther wrote:

> Now, one can lose a considerable amount of weight
> exercising and being prudent with diet. I did a 2 week
> bicycle tour in the rockies. We did an average of 75 miles
> per day with quite a bit of climbing and then walking
> around seeing things on top of that. I made sure I ate
> plenty of complex carbs and vegetables to replace my
> glycogen each day. I ate some sweets also on the rest
> stops and took ate a modest amount of fats and meats.
> After I got back, I was amazed that I had lost 10 lbs in
> 14 days. So it can be done.

I lost close to 15 pounds during a cross country tour. Of
course it was fully loaded and there was some serious
climbing during the ride, and it took 6 1/2 weeks.

My experience is that bicycle riding probably isn't the most
efficient way to lose weight, but I'm not certain any form
of exercise, will solely do that well.

As others have mentioned, calorie intake versus expenditure
is the bottom line, and the body is really exceptional at
hording calories. Guess it's a survival trait when sugar and
fat were relatively rare commodities, and outright famine
more common for humans.

> Of course, many people gained weight on the tour. They did
> this by having an extra meal during the day consisting of
> a big burger, fries, and a large sundae.

During RAGBRAI, I'll usually put on close to 5 pounds,
and I'm usually riding about 70 miles average every day
for the week.

Too much imbibing of the four basic food groups of Iowa:
pork burgers, butterflied pork chops, 1" thick, corn husk
smoked pork chops and brautworst!

SMH

Badger_south

On Thu, 20 May 2004 07:31:53 -0400, Stephen Harding <harding@cs.umass.edu>
wrote:

>Pbwalther wrote:
>
>> Now, one can lose a considerable amount of weight
>> exercising and being prudent with diet. I did a 2 week
>> bicycle tour in the rockies. We did an average of 75
>> miles per day with quite a bit of climbing and then
>> walking around seeing things on top of that. I made sure
>> I ate plenty of complex carbs and vegetables to replace
>> my glycogen each day. I ate some sweets also on the rest
>> stops and took ate a modest amount of fats and meats.
>> After I got back, I was amazed that I had lost 10 lbs in
>> 14 days. So it can be done.
>
>I lost close to 15 pounds during a cross country tour. Of
>course it was fully loaded and there was some serious
>climbing during the ride, and it took 6 1/2 weeks.

You don't metion your normal weight here, and that's an
important part of the picture. IOW if you were 165 and
dropped to 150 that might signify near dangerous catabolism.

Skipping ahead for a moment, it may be that the body goes
into a different state when you're essentially riding all
day and staying at or near the 'sweat zone' for what, 8 to
10 hours with say six breaks to eat and take pictures - I'm
purposely being non-scientific here, b/c I'm just
postulating.

IOW, just as the metabolism is ramping down, you kick it
again and maybe the little mitochondria just say "fsk it,
we're stayin' up all night". <g>

-B