Poll: Hating America

lisan

1. Dallas, TX

2. No

3. Of course not...

All of that said; I do not agree with the war in Iraq. I'm a Democrat and will vote for Kerry (although...I really wish it had been Dean nominated, not Kerry). I don't think the U.S., or any sovereign nation, "deserves" to be attacked, occupied, or otherwise assaulted without direct actions against the assaulting nation. I disagree with the whole idea of a "pre-emptive strike" (Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11); and even if I agreed that we should act pre-emptively, if there is an imminent threat; I don't believe that Iraq, in March 2003, was an imminent threat to the U.S.

Phew...how's that for an answer.

Lisa

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lisan

I agree...poor sap (living in Houston - ick!).



presented to sadaam by ??? THE U.N. (that's an N, not an S!). The U.N. inspections were working; if not, then where are the WMDs?

Uh...yes...definitely serious. He needs much more polishing, but I totally agree with his ideals.



Which is why Lieberman was last on my list...too many Republicans liked him (and, no, that's not the only reason I didn't like Lieberman). For your party, how on earth did they chose Bush over McCain? I would have voted for McCain over Gore on any day.



See, this is the political cr@p that Reps. think they are so good at. Besides the fact that neither Kerry nor his wife have ANYTHING to do with, nor do they have ANY input whatsoever with the business decisions made by the executives at Heinz; the Heinz Corporation has given millions in contributions to...drum roll, please...the BUSH campaign...and NOT ONE PENNY to the Kerry campaign. So, if you want to talk hypocrisy, then at least get your facts straight.



I really don't know much about this particular issue. I don't know what the claims are that have been made about Kerry and his military awards; I do know that he, himself, has admitted that he has said and done things following Vietnam that were the actions of a foolish young person, trying to express his discontent with the U.S.'s Vietnam policy. I think that is fair. BTW, I'm not one of those Dems. that thinks Bush is evil. I think he is a good man that is doing what he thinks is right and just - I just disagree with him. I don't care about his military background and I don't care about his personal life; all I care about is his leadership abilities and views on issues important to me and my family.



Good for you...and thanks for all you do.

HUH???



Like I said...I don't hate Bush. I think he's a good man; just a poor leader and not someone that is making decisions that I agree with.



Obviously.



Back at ya'.
Lisa

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limerickman

Hunter

I agree here with the beginning. It is absurd to hate. It is even more absurd to hate a country. You can disagree with a countries government, I do with just about everyone on the planet. I disagree with the media worldwide, there are a few exceptions. I firmly stand against any and all "global" whatever.
I have met people from all over the world. I have met people from England, Canada, Argentina, Cuba, Peurto Rico, France, Israel, Austrailia, Vietnam, China, Japan, Korea, India, Germany, Spain, etc. None of these people I can say I completely disliked. I may disagree with the rulers of their country but that is all.
For those who hate America, and Americans because of what the government does I feel sorry for you. These people have never met me or my family, friends, etc.
For those here who have served in the U.S. armed forces I slaute you for putting yourself in front of bullets, despite the blunderous descisions the brass, and government officials make on your behalf.

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limerickman

If I thought for one minute that all of the US armed forces acted in the way that those people have done in AG prison in Baghdad,
I would say so.
I never said that all US troops acted in this way.
What I did say was that the troops at this prison acted in a way that has brought grave dishonour upon the entire US army.
The actions of the few have tarnished the reputation of the many.
How few - we cannot quantify yet because we dont not the know the extent of this case - so we'll wait and see how many troops
are prosecuted by your goverment.
We'll see how committed your goverment is to cleaning up it's act.

Your COC has been covering this whole affair up since October 2003 - that's what your COC has been doing.
I watched the Senate hearing yesterday - and it was clearly stated that the Sec of Def and his people did not bother to inform the Senate Arms Committee of these investigations until after the publication of those photos.
THE POLITIICANS AT THE DoD ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERABLE TO THAT SENATE COMMITTEE.
The point being - if all of this was going on and the COC were
supposedly aware of it - why wasn't it brought to light by the COC
to DoD and to the Senate Committee ?
You see my guess is that the COC didn't know or didn't want to know about this issue and it's had was forced when these photos were disclosed.

I am not in the least bit embarrased by what I have posted here.
The fact of the matter is that lies and continous lying by the Bush Goverment has got the USA in to it's current mess.
Bush is the problem.
Bush hasn't got the brains to see that what he is doing is completely and utterly counter productive.
You know, I really do think that he is being manipulated by President Cheney and Co.
Bush simply hasn't got the mental capacity to make an informed
decision about anything.
He chose not to evaluate the weapons inspectors reports - he chose not to evaluate the threat caused by invading Iraq - he chose not to evaluate his unconditional support for Israel.

Bush listens to advice - he accepts that advice at face value and
then makes an order based on that advice.
He doesn't test, evaluate, verify - any advice given to him.
He was told repeatedly about the threat up to Sept 11th - and he ignored that advice.
He was told repeatedly about the lack of WMD and he ignored that advice too.
He ignored the advice that to discard the Palestinian roadmap
will prove diasterous.
He's a mouthpiece - that's about it.
And that is the real worry.

limerickman

Hmm,
You're being mischevious here, Zapper.
You know that the guerilla forces in Iraq are not signed up to the
Geneva Convention.
You know this.

Are you attempting to equate the fact that because ones enemies
is not complying to the GC - that this gives one carte blanche to
act despicably ?
America is a soverign country - it signed up to the GC.
It and it's forces are therefore compelled to adhere to those conventions.
Hard as this might be - there is a responsibility for soverign armies
to act humanely.
No one can say that the disclosure of photos at Abu Ghuraib depicting physical and psychological torture complies with the Geneva Convention.

It is curious - watching your Senate Arms Committee hearings - how your military commanders invoked the Geneva Convention when stating that their investigations against those who orchestrated and participated in those despicable acts are premised upon their breaking the Geneva Conventions.
It's a curious juxtaposition.

limerickman

I have never condoned the murder of those contractors - it was a
DESPICABLE act and it is wrong MORALLY, ETHICALLY AND LEGALLY.
However, what some of those troops did in that prison in Iraq
is also DESPICABLE, wrong MORALLY, ETHICALLY AND LEGALLY.

But we're supposed to be civilised people - we're supposed to be the "good guys" - what those troops did was wrong.
end of story.