Who had more will to win?

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Tiger Woods or Eddy Merckx?

On Jun 19, 5:49 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tiger Woods or Eddy Merckx?

As RBR's only resident winner of both the US Open and the TdF I can
unequivocally state that golf is not a sport.

R

In article
<e6d1a1bc-8590-4f0b-9526-2f97b274847c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 19, 5:49 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Tiger Woods or Eddy Merckx?
>
> As RBR's only resident winner of both the US Open and the TdF I can
> unequivocally state that golf is not a sport.
>
> R

Works for me. Also, Tiger is hoping to come back from an incident that
hurt his knee.

Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!

So yeah, Eddy.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Jun 20, 1:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e6d1a1bc-8590-4f0b-9526-2f97b2748...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 5:49 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Tiger Woods or Eddy Merckx?
>
> > As RBR's only resident winner of both the US Open and the TdF I can
> > unequivocally state that golf is not a sport.
>
> > R
>
> Works for me. Also, Tiger is hoping to come back from an incident that
> hurt his knee.
>
> Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> So yeah, Eddy.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Yes, we know his pacer was mortally wounded but how badly was Eddy
injured in that accident?

On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!

AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
accidents.

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Merckx said that before the crash, climbing was a pleasure. After it, he
> was always in pain.

Do I see some potential virtual victories here.

Donald Munro wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> Merckx said that before the crash, climbing was a pleasure. After it, he
>> was always in pain.
>
> Do I see some potential virtual victories here.

Merckx lost his bid for a 6th Tour to Bernard
Thévenet, who rode a new doping route to victory.
Once this was discovered the sport was crushed
into oblivion as sponsors fled in droves. The
sport never recovered.

Having a Tour winner revealed as a drug cheat
was the death blow. Only people in deep denial
about the impact of doping on team sponsorship
fail to realize that.

See? Creating your own reality is easy!

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Merckx lost his bid for a 6th Tour to Bernard Thévenet, who rode a new
> doping route to victory. Once this was discovered the sport was crushed
> into oblivion as sponsors fled in droves. The sport never recovered.
>
> Having a Tour winner revealed as a drug cheat was the death blow. Only
> people in deep denial about the impact of doping on team sponsorship fail
> to realize that.
>
> See? Creating your own reality is easy!

Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
their tandem.

On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
>
> Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
> their tandem.

Is that what the kids are calling it now?

Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby! We were riding
tandem.

R

In article <06c6af65-df43-4200-8fe3-1bd32f59665c@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
> >
> > Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
> > their tandem.
>
> Is that what the kids are calling it now?
>
> Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby! We were riding
> tandem.

I was going to ask who was the captain and who was the stoker but your post begs
the question: who was the pitcher and who was the catcher?

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1542@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> accidents.

I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two years.
Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts off the rear axle. I
never figured that one out.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:06c6af65-df43-4200-8fe3-1bd32f59665c@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
>>
>> Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
>> their tandem.
>
> Is that what the kids are calling it now?
>
> Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby! We were riding
> tandem.
>

Is this a valid email?

I've got the perfect picture for you.

On Jun 20, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups..com>,
>  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > accidents.
>
>    I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two years.
> Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts off the rear axle. I
> never figured that one out.

The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> Works for me. Also, Tiger is hoping to come back from an incident that
> hurt his knee.

If he succeeds, he will have proven himself tougher than Nancy Kerrigan.
Give the man some credit.

On Jun 20, 9:42 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> >> > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
>
> >> Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
> >> their tandem.
>
> > Is that what the kids are calling it now?
>
> > Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby! We were riding
> > tandem.
>
> Is this a valid email?
>
> I've got the perfect picture for you.

Nope. It used to be a valid email address, but worldemail.com decided
that the email part of the name wasn't applicable for some reason, so
they shut down email. I'm sure others would appreciate the picture.
Post a link!

R

In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6ea0@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
> >
> > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > accidents.
> >
> >    I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two
> > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.

Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into the block
at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea. I saw
one a few months ago - it was the first one I'd seen on the road in many years. On
the other hand, I see Pintos on the road every day. Not more than one a day, but
still, they're on the road because they're close to bullet proof. I'm not saying I'd
own one, mind you.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Jun 20, 4:24 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 6:13 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> > > See? Creating your own reality is easy!
>
> > Rumsfeld and Cheney must have created that one while they were riding
> > their tandem.
>
> Is that what the kids are calling it now?
>
> Gee, Dad, of course I wasn't rump rangering Bobby!  We were riding
> tandem.
>
> R

I think the correct terminology is "flying united":
http://tinyurl.com/63xs6y

That's Bush's father with a buff serviceman strapped to his ass. And
look at that big smile on Bush's face, you can tell he's in the throes
of ecstasy. It's heartwarming to see that special love between a an
older man and his younger "friend".

But of course that "orientation" runs in the family, as this photo
montage shows:
http://tinyurl.com/yo6sa6

Doesn't it make you proud to be an American when you see your
president hugging, kissing, and holding hands with Saudis not long
after 9/11?
-Paul

On Jun 20, 9:59 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups..com>,
>  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 20, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> > >  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> > > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > > accidents.
>
> > >    I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the spaceof two
> > > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
>
>    Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into the block
> at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea.

No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
"Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
bores using the Nikasil coating process."

Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.
-Paul

On Jun 21, 8:12 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 9:59 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 20, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <bb57e4cf-5d31-42be-a0fb-d7ffc0db1...@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 20, 12:15 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Eddy came back from an accident that KILLED HIS PACER!
>
> > > > > AMC killed the Pacer, though I understand it was never very safe in
> > > > > accidents.
>
> > > >    I once worked with a guy who bought four Gremlins in the space of two
> > > > years. Within a week of the purchase, he'd have broken the shock mounts
> > > > off the rear axle. I never figured that one out.
>
> > > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
>
> >    Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressedinto the block
> > at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head. Bad idea.
>
> No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
> "Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
> often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
> blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
> sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
> bores using the Nikasil coating process."
>
> Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.
> -Paul

Oh, the Vega's engine was worse but, overall, across many categories
(handling, comfort, fit-and-finish, styling, and more) the Gremlin was
craptastic.

In article <66546e9c-bd56-496a-8a15-0238790a037b@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Jun 20, 9:59 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ddb3bedb-7df8-4df3-94e2-2f3b8ceb6...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > The Gremlin was so bad it made both the Pinto and the Vega look good.
> >
> >    Vegas were crap. The engine had cylinder liners that were pressed into
> > the block at the bottom, with the top floating and held in place by the head.
> > Bad idea.
>
> No, even worse- aluminum block, no sleeves, and a cast iron head:
> "Vega engines become infamous for their lack of durability which was
> often associated with their use of weight-saving aluminum cylinder
> blocks with cast iron heads. These blocks did not have iron cylinder
> sleeves. Instead, a wear surface was created on the aluminum cylinder
> bores using the Nikasil coating process."
>
> Very odd that they made the block aluminum, but not the head.

Oh, you're right. I forgot that the cylinders were part of the block and the
reason the tops were floating: the blocks were die cast. They couldn't put a deck on
it because of that. The cast iron head was another contributor to the problems, as it
had a different rate of expansion than the block. These two things allowed the
cylinders to move around enough to wreck the head gasket and cause leaks. The lack of
a low coolant level sensor didn't help matters much either. The head on the Cosworth
version of the Vega did have an aluminum head and was pretty cool.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?