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Could someone explain this Yehuda Moon strip to me?
http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-06-14
Yehuda and Joe are debating on who did the most damage to cycling and
come up with Margaret Hamilton but "If she had been riding on the drops
everyone would be cycling now"
I asked Wikipedia, which told me that she played the Wicked Witch of the
West in the Wizard of Oz, but still don't get it.

Roger Thorpe

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:20:00 +0100, Roger Thorpe
<myinitial.mysrname@warwick.ac.uk> said in
<g3bg5d$kgv$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>:

>Could someone explain this Yehuda Moon strip to me?
>http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-06-14
>Yehuda and Joe are debating on who did the most damage to cycling and
>come up with Margaret Hamilton but "If she had been riding on the drops
>everyone would be cycling now"

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Gulch.JPG

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:20:00 +0100, Roger Thorpe
> <myinitial.mysrname@warwick.ac.uk> said in
> <g3bg5d$kgv$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>:
>
>
>>Could someone explain this Yehuda Moon strip to me?
>>http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-06-14
>>Yehuda and Joe are debating on who did the most damage to cycling and
>>come up with Margaret Hamilton but "If she had been riding on the drops
>>everyone would be cycling now"
>
>
> http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Gulch.JPG
>
> Guy

blimey, that took you three minutes......
Thanks
Roger Thorpe

Roger Thorpe wrote:
> Could someone explain this Yehuda Moon strip to me?
> http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-06-14
> Yehuda and Joe are debating on who did the most damage to cycling and
> come up with Margaret Hamilton but "If she had been riding on the drops
> everyone would be cycling now"
> I asked Wikipedia, which told me that she played the Wicked Witch of the
> West in the Wizard of Oz, but still don't get it.
>
> Roger Thorpe

Doesn't that chacter (in her alter ego as the old woman who complains
about Toto) ride a bike - and isn't she seen riding it in mid-air in the
cyclone?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:25:32 +0100, Roger Thorpe
<myinitial.mysrname@warwick.ac.uk> said in
<g3bgfo$kgv$2@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>:

>blimey, that took you three minutes......

Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
endless Windows patching to complete.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Just zis Guy, you know? writtificated

>>Could someone explain this Yehuda Moon strip to me?
>>http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-06-14
>>Yehuda and Joe are debating on who did the most damage to cycling and
>>come up with Margaret Hamilton but "If she had been riding on the drops
>>everyone would be cycling now"
>
> http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Gulch.JPG

"If she had been riding on the drops everyone would be cycling now"

I still don't get it :/ Was she famed for having a great bum? <feels
stupid>

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:25:32 +0100, Roger Thorpe
> <myinitial.mysrname@warwick.ac.uk> said in
> <g3bgfo$kgv$2@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk>:
>
>> blimey, that took you three minutes......
>
> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
> endless Windows patching to complete.
>

Why not just build one and then copy it?

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:

>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>> endless Windows patching to complete.

>Why not just build one and then copy it?

Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.

This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
Altiris around EMEA.

You do know that my job is running SANs and virtual infrastructure
for the EMEA region for a Fortune 500 company, yes?

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:qfrp54tdd2vq5kgmq6p4d5d6775e1h0cu0@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
> said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>>> endless Windows patching to complete.
>
>>Why not just build one and then copy it?
>
> Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
> bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
> cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
> extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.
>
> This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
> Altiris around EMEA.

Giggle :-)

How long have you been working in IT that you still don't know the words
"this will be easier" are a death sentence?

cheers,
clive

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
> said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>>> endless Windows patching to complete.
>
>> Why not just build one and then copy it?
>
> Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
> bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
> cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
> extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.
>
> This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
> Altiris around EMEA.
>
> You do know that my job is running SANs and virtual infrastructure
> for the EMEA region for a Fortune 500 company, yes?
>

No I didn't know and anyway I'm a programmer not a system guy.

I'm afraid you lost me on the terms EMEA? Altiris? SANs.

I though the bigger companies invested millions+ in customising
corporate builds.

"Nick" <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6c4edhF3epgqaU1@mid.individual.net...
> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
>> said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>>>> endless Windows patching to complete.
>>
>>> Why not just build one and then copy it?
>>
>> Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
>> bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
>> cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
>> extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.
>>
>> This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
>> Altiris around EMEA.
>>
>> You do know that my job is running SANs and virtual infrastructure
>> for the EMEA region for a Fortune 500 company, yes?
>>
>
> No I didn't know and anyway I'm a programmer not a system guy.
>
> I'm afraid you lost me on the terms EMEA? Altiris? SANs.

Europe Middle East Africa.
Altiris is a among other things a product for deploying software, which is
required because windows is so shit in many ways.
SAN = storage area network. Not to be confused with NAS = network attached
storage, even though many devices now do both so the distinction is rather
blurred. I find thinking of it as "storage separate from your computer" is
simple enough. I do wonder if Guy is really using SAN or actually NAS (or
indeed if he cares about the difference :-) )

> I though the bigger companies invested millions+ in customising corporate
> builds.

VM and SAN implies servers, which implies relatively low volume. No point in
getting MS to do a custom corporate build. Or you could think of it as Guy
being the man they're getting to do these custom corporate builds.

(TBH there seems little point in doing it for desktops too - there's plenty
which can be easily customised, and it doesn't require spending millions).

</corporate IT nerd>

cheers,
clive

Clive George wrote:
> "Nick" <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6c4edhF3epgqaU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>>>>> endless Windows patching to complete.
>>>
>>>> Why not just build one and then copy it?
>>>
>>> Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
>>> bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
>>> cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
>>> extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.
>>>
>>> This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
>>> Altiris around EMEA.
>>>
>>> You do know that my job is running SANs and virtual infrastructure
>>> for the EMEA region for a Fortune 500 company, yes?
>>>
>>
>> No I didn't know and anyway I'm a programmer not a system guy.
>>
>> I'm afraid you lost me on the terms EMEA? Altiris? SANs.
>
> Europe Middle East Africa.
> Altiris is a among other things a product for deploying software, which
> is required because windows is so shit in many ways.
> SAN = storage area network. Not to be confused with NAS = network
> attached storage, even though many devices now do both so the
> distinction is rather blurred. I find thinking of it as "storage
> separate from your computer" is simple enough. I do wonder if Guy is
> really using SAN or actually NAS (or indeed if he cares about the
> difference :-) )
>
>> I though the bigger companies invested millions+ in customising
>> corporate builds.
>
> VM and SAN implies servers, which implies relatively low volume. No
> point in getting MS to do a custom corporate build. Or you could think
> of it as Guy being the man they're getting to do these custom corporate
> builds.
>

No I meant the companies themselves normally have pretty sizeable teams
doing it. My teams generally have a lot more servers than desktops but I
guess this probably isn't the standard model.

> (TBH there seems little point in doing it for desktops too - there's
> plenty which can be easily customised, and it doesn't require spending
> millions).
>

Most of the companies I have worked for do it for the desktops as well
as servers. They push a standard build together with a mechanism which
will automatically install any apps you are configured for. This makes
it easier to swap PC's. I think it works for most users, being a
developer obviously I tend to configure my box a lot more than standard
but even for me it works quite well.

> </corporate IT nerd>
>
> cheers,
> clive

Response to Clive George
> SAN = storage area network. Not to be confused with NAS = network attached
> storage, even though many devices now do both so the distinction is rather
> blurred.


Funnily enough, this weekend I are been bunging big expensive HDs in my
old Linux box to make a RAID array: I'm using FreeNAS, which so far is
being suspiciously straightforward. [It also makes for four different
OSes in the house, five if you count Windows Vistula as an OS. ;-)]


I had to look up EMEA, and found myself wishing Guy was providing NAS
for the European Music Educators Association. So does he, I dare say.



--
Mark, UK
"Whenever morality is based on theology, whenever right is made
dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things
can be justified and established."

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:37 +0100, "Clive George"
<clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> said in
<BYmdnTQJ_Y8DY8HVnZ2dnUVZ8u6dnZ2d@posted.plusnet>:

>How long have you been working in IT that you still don't know the words
>"this will be easier" are a death sentence?

Ah, but it *will* be easier when *I* do it, because when I do stuff
I make sure it makes it easier... for me, if nobody else...

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:44:01 +0100, "Clive George"
<clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> said in
<eZednUecLIEimMDVRVnyjQA@posted.plusnet>:

>SAN = storage area network. Not to be confused with NAS = network attached
>storage, even though many devices now do both so the distinction is rather
>blurred. I find thinking of it as "storage separate from your computer" is
>simple enough. I do wonder if Guy is really using SAN or actually NAS (or
>indeed if he cares about the difference :-) )

I care about the difference.

I have a CLARiiON CX3-80, two CX3-40cs, a CX3-20c, a CX3-10c,
another 3-10c being commissioned in Zurich next week, and I'll be
combining a trip to check that out with a visit to Geneva to discuss
another one, plus I have a project in preparation to put in probably
another CX3-10c and some VMware in another London office. We're
looking at Celerras for NAS, and I'm identifying budget for Centera
archival storage for next year. I have, I'm afraid, lost count of
the amount of storage I "own", it's around half a petabyte I think
and growing fast. Most of it is Exchange, but I have around thirty
ESX hosts running something over 650 VMs on three (four from next
week) sites.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:55:45 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
said in <6c4fj1F3ev9ssU1@mid.individual.net>:

>My teams generally have a lot more servers than desktops but I
>guess this probably isn't the standard model.

Normal for dev shops. 2.5:1 OS instances to humans here.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

"Nick" <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6c4fj1F3ev9ssU1@mid.individual.net...

> Most of the companies I have worked for do it for the desktops as well as
> servers. They push a standard build together with a mechanism which will
> automatically install any apps you are configured for. This makes it
> easier to swap PC's. I think it works for most users, being a developer
> obviously I tend to configure my box a lot more than standard but even for
> me it works quite well.

That's what altiris is about. It's just one way of doing it.

cheers,
clive

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:qfrp54tdd2vq5kgmq6p4d5d6775e1h0cu0@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:03:44 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
> said in <6c3ufgF3dlcnuU2@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>> Coincidence only. I'm building some VMs and was waiting for the
>>> endless Windows patching to complete.
>
>>Why not just build one and then copy it?
>
> Close: I built four templates (different flavours of OS in 32 and 64
> bit), configured them to conform to corporate standards and then
> cloned from them to the new VMs, which then had to be configured and
> extra software installed to do the job for which they are required.
>
> This will be easier when I have finished the project to deploy
> Altiris around EMEA.
>
> You do know that my job is running SANs and virtual infrastructure
> for the EMEA region for a Fortune 500 company, yes?
>
> Guy

Yebbut, will it be Shimano, Campag or SRAM?

Clive George wrote:
> "Nick" <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6c4fj1F3ev9ssU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> Most of the companies I have worked for do it for the desktops as well
>> as servers. They push a standard build together with a mechanism which
>> will automatically install any apps you are configured for. This makes
>> it easier to swap PC's. I think it works for most users, being a
>> developer obviously I tend to configure my box a lot more than
>> standard but even for me it works quite well.
>
> That's what altiris is about. It's just one way of doing it.
>
> cheers,
> clive

Ah, in that case I understand the giggle. I find releasing one App that
I know intimately hard enough, I wouldn't want to be responsible for
every release.

"Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> writes:

> How long have you been working in IT that you still don't know the
> words "this will be easier" are a death sentence?

Only when said to management.

It's perfectly possible to make most IT jobs easier as long as you
don't let on that you've done it.


-dan