Springless rear derailleur?

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I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

"Scott Gordo" <blubberpuss@gmail.com> a écrit:

> I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
> cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing
> and pulling the pulleys. May be a White Industries.

> Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Indeed. The White Industries LMDS:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320248269731

James Thomson

On Jun 18, 12:11 pm, "James Thomson" <yosnap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Scott Gordo" <blubberp...@gmail.com> a écrit:
>
> > I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
> > cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing
> > and pulling the pulleys. May be a White Industries.
> > Anybody know what I'm talking about?
>
> Indeed. The White Industries LMDS:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320248269731
>
> James Thomson

Bingo! Thanks.

On Jun 18, 8:02 am, Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
> 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
> May be a White Industries.
>
> There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>
> Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Cyclo RDs were like that up through the '60s, as were early Shimano
Positrons, before they switched to a solid rod.

> Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
>> 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
>> May be a White Industries.
>> There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>> Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Hank wrote:
> Cyclo RDs were like that up through the '60s, as were early Shimano
> Positrons, before they switched to a solid rod.

Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
<blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
>1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
>May be a White Industries.
>
>There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>
>Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

Here's a post with links to some pictures:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Jun 18, 3:25 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
>
> <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
> >1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
> >May be a White Industries.
>
> >There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>
> >Anybody know what I'm talking about?
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.
>
> Here's a post with links to some pictures:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Awesome as usual. If you're ever in NYC, I'll buy you a beer.

In article <r5oi54lcrt0p2vqv4t6daukdlql0k34dir@4ax.com>,
carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
> >cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling
> >the pulleys. May be a White Industries.
> >
> >There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
> >
> >Anybody know what I'm talking about?
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

The OP is probably referring to w White Industries derailleur designed
by Frank Berto, which was inspired by the Cyclo design.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:10:26 -0500, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

>In article <r5oi54lcrt0p2vqv4t6daukdlql0k34dir@4ax.com>,
> carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
>> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
>> >cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling
>> >the pulleys. May be a White Industries.
>> >
>> >There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>> >
>> >Anybody know what I'm talking about?
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.
>
>The OP is probably referring to w White Industries derailleur designed
>by Frank Berto, which was inspired by the Cyclo design.

Dear Tim,

Yes--I was addressing the original poster's question of precedent.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:45:13 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
<blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 18, 3:25 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
>>
>> <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
>> >1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
>> >May be a White Industries.
>>
>> >There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
>>
>> >Anybody know what I'm talking about?
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.
>>
>> Here's a post with links to some pictures:
>>  http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Awesome as usual. If you're ever in NYC, I'll buy you a beer.

Dear Scott,

Thanks!

But the awesome replies were actually from:

James, who knew right away which White Industries derailleur you had
in mind and found one on eBay.

Hank, who almost as quickly pointed out that the design was used by
Cyclo--and also by Shimano Positron.

And Andrew, who added that the Shimano Lark also used the design
and--for crying out loud!--knew that it sold for $4.95.

I just happened to know about the Cyclo from Berto's "Dancing Chain"
and looked it up. Those three guys would beat me easily on any quiz
show and deserve NYC hospitality more than I do.

(Not that I'll refuse if I'm ever in NYC.)

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Jun 18, 8:20 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
> otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!


Desmodromic coolness for only 5 bucks!

Joseph

> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
>> otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!

joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> Desmodromic coolness for only 5 bucks!

Gee I actually found an image!
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/shimanocatalog75/largejpg/10shimano.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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