Re: SHIRTS: Which One Is Best ??

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On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the best
> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> Thanks

The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
kind, so must be the best:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-assos-series-sl-sleeveless-jersey-485_4_TRUE.html

You can't road race with it.

-ilan

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> best
> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> Thanks

The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
kind, so must be the best:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-assos-series-sl-sleeveless-jersey-485_4_TRUE.html

You can't road race with it.

-ilan

Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the best
>> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the best:
> http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-assos-series-sl-sleeveless-jersey-485_4_TRUE.html

But it doesn't come in XXL.

> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
>> best
>> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?

>> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the best:
> http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-assos-series-sl-sleeveless-jersey-485_4_TRUE.html
> You can't road race with it.

Maple Tree wrote:
> Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?

Same reason racing rules required 'white sox over the ankle' for many
years; Caprice and arbitrary application of authority. See also 'helmet
rule', 'doping rule', 'bike weight rule', etc.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Jun 15, 10:58 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> > best
> > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > Thanks
>
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> You can't road race with it.
>
> -ilan
>
> Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?

This is how people dress in the hottest areas on earth:
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/939/50160242.JPG so less is
not always better.

-ilan

Maple Tree wrote:
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
>> best
>> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the best:
> http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-assos-series-sl-sleeveless-jersey-485_4_TRUE.html
>
> You can't road race with it.
>
> -ilan
>
> Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?
>
>


Because it looks disgusting looking at those hairy armpits.

Lou

On Jun 15, 11:17 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 15, 10:58 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> > > best
> > > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> > kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> > You can't road race with it.
>
> > -ilan
>
> > Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?
>
> This is how people dress in the hottest areas on earth:http://www.dkimages..com/discover/previews/939/50160242.JPGso less is
> not always better.
>
> -ilan

Every once in a while I see on TV that mad multi-day running marathon
in Morocco or wherever, and wonder why none of the competitors wears
sandals and flowing garb. It just seems the obvious choice,
particularly when you see what sort of suffering culls the field.

Joseph

joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:17 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 15, 10:58 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
>>>> best
>>>> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>>>> Thanks
>>> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
>>> kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>>> You can't road race with it.
>>> -ilan
>>> Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?
>> This is how people dress in the hottest areas on earth:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/939/50160242.JPGso less is
>> not always better.
>>
>> -ilan
>
> Every once in a while I see on TV that mad multi-day running marathon
> in Morocco or wherever, and wonder why none of the competitors wears
> sandals and flowing garb. It just seems the obvious choice,
> particularly when you see what sort of suffering culls the field.
>
> Joseph


Running on sandals? You gotta be kidding.

Lou

On Jun 15, 11:47 pm, Lou Holtman <lholditn...@planet.nl> wrote:
> joseph.santanie...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 11:17 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jun 15, 10:58 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> >>> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com....
> >>> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> >>>> best
> >>>> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
> >>>> Thanks
> >>> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> >>> kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
> >>> You can't road race with it.
> >>> -ilan
> >>> Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?
> >> This is how people dress in the hottest areas on earth:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/939/50160242.JPGsoless is
> >> not always better.
>
> >> -ilan
>
> > Every once in a while I see on TV that mad multi-day running marathon
> > in Morocco or wherever, and wonder why none of the competitors wears
> > sandals and flowing garb. It just seems the obvious choice,
> > particularly when you see what sort of suffering culls the field.
>
> > Joseph
>
> Running on sandals? You gotta be kidding.
>
> Lou

They run in sand across the Sahara, and it's a constant (losing)
battle to keep sand out of their socks and shoes. They use silly
gaiters that don't work, and have huge problems with sores. Sandals at
least drain sand by themselves. With enough practice to get your feet
toughened up and ready for the abrasive sand, I'm sure sandals would
be preferable for at least the sandy sections.

Joseph

On Jun 15, 11:43 pm, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
<joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:17 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 15, 10:58 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:5c711fff-d80d-42a2-aacf-65ced09740cc@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> > > > best
> > > > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > > > Thanks
>
> > > The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> > > kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> > > You can't road race with it.
>
> > > -ilan
>
> > > Why do they not allow people to race in sleeveless jerseys?
>
> > This is how people dress in the hottest areas on earth:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/939/50160242.JPGsoless is
> > not always better.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Every once in a while I see on TV that mad multi-day running marathon
> in Morocco or wherever, and wonder why none of the competitors wears
> sandals and flowing garb. It just seems the obvious choice,
> particularly when you see what sort of suffering culls the field.
>
> Joseph

A while back, I thought it was a Mexican Indian tribe that was
cleaning up all these events, except that they were under the
exclusive care of some unscrupulous guy.
Apparently, they are the Tarahumara and do race in sandals:
http://barefootted.com/CCMaraton02S.jpg http://barefootted.com/CCMaraton07B..jpg
They apparently never made it to Morocco.

-ilan

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A while back, I thought it was a Mexican Indian tribe that was
cleaning up all these events, except that they were under the
exclusive care of some unscrupulous guy.
Apparently, they are the Tarahumara and do race in sandals:
http://barefootted.com/CCMaraton02S.jpg
http://barefootted.com/CCMaraton07B.jpg
They apparently never made it to Morocco.

---------------------

IIRC, the "sandal" soles are made from old car tire treads.

On Jun 15, 2:46 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the best
> > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > Thanks
>
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> You can't road race with it.
>
> -ilan

You can in Colorado:

11.3.1 All riders must wear jerseys. Sleeveless jerseys are permitted.
All riders must wear cycling shorts. No article of clothing may
be worn that serves solely an aerodynamic purpose.

http://americancyc.web152.discountasp.net/Info/Documents/aca-rule-book.pdf

Nashbar sells a very good one that's on sale for $15 now:

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=14687&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Show%20All%20Products

Bret

On Jun 15, 3:01 pm, Fred Fredburger
<FredFredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >> Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing thebest
> >> material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> >> Thanks
>
> > The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> > kind, so must be the best:
> >http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> But it doesn't come in XXL.

The Nashbar one goes to XXXL for $15. That's a lot of material for the
money.

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=14687&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Show%20All%20Products

Bret

"Bret" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 2:46 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> > best
> > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > Thanks
>
> The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> kind, so must be the
> best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> You can't road race with it.
>
> -ilan

You can in Colorado:

11.3.1 All riders must wear jerseys. Sleeveless jerseys are permitted.
All riders must wear cycling shorts. No article of clothing may
be worn that serves solely an aerodynamic purpose.

http://americancyc.web152.discountasp.net/Info/Documents/aca-rule-book.pdf

Nashbar sells a very good one that's on sale for $15 now:

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=14687&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Show%20All%20Products

Bret

Hi, just to clarify, I did not specify sleeveless jerseys, I just stated the
best one's considering materials, etc, short sleeves are fine too!

On Jun 15, 7:06 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> When the men hunt deer, they do so in a most traditional and yet
> unconventional manner. They pursue the game on foot, until the deer drops
> from sheer exhaustion; they then butcher it and haul the meat back to their
> village for their families. They don't even need guns!

There was an article in Sports Illustrated a bunch of years ago about
a runner who ran a deer to ground. The deer would bolt and then stop
when it thought it was out of range, wait until the runner got too
close, then take off again. The runner had an advantage in being able
to read the terrain better and would take a more efficient route which
helped offset the speed imbalance. Eventually endurance won out over
fleetness of foot, and the runner was able to walk up to the exhausted
deer and touch it, symbolizing a kill.

I think that's how the Grand Tours should be run.

> The men have a game of kick-ball, which they call rarapìpama, or
> carrera de bola, where they kick and chase a small wooden ball over hill and
> dale for up to three days straight, and covering 120 miles. This competition
> is generally between two or more communities.

North American Native Americans in the Northeast played baggataway,
which evolved (devolved) into lacrosse. The original game would go on
for days, have several hundred players per side, goals that were miles
apart, deaths were not uncommon and the game was a preparation, or
avoidance of, war.

I think that's how the Grand Tours should be run. If the Lanterne
Rouge was killed each day, and nobody could DNS or DNF, I think the
riding speed would pick up quite a bit. See? No need for dope at
all! Think of it as Cy-culling. ;)

R

On Jun 15, 6:34 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> "Bret" <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3b156acb-c300-4d88-8f3a-b350bd00ada5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 2:46 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jun 15, 10:46 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi, for hot weather is there a particular company that is producing the
> > > best
> > > material and shirts for road racing/touring ?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > The Assos SL Sleeveless Jersey is probably the most expensive of its
> > kind, so must be the
> > best:http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-apparel/2008-ass...
>
> > You can't road race with it.
>
> > -ilan
>
> You can in Colorado:
>
> 11.3.1 All riders must wear jerseys. Sleeveless jerseys are permitted.
> All riders must wear cycling shorts. No article of clothing may
> be worn that serves solely an aerodynamic purpose.
>
> http://americancyc.web152.discountasp.net/Info/Documents/aca-rule-boo...
>
> Nashbar sells a very good one that's on sale for $15 now:
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=...
>
> Bret
>
> Hi, just to clarify, I did not specify sleeveless jerseys, I just stated the
> best one's considering materials, etc, short sleeves are fine too!

You did specifically say that you wanted the best shirt for hot
weather. If you have a sleeve fetish you should have said so up front
and maybe have taken this over to rec.bicycles.soc.

Bret