Steve Jobs on Computers as Bikes for Mind

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Sorry if this has been posted already. I thought it was cute.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ob_GX50Za6c&fmt=18

EFR
At a computer in Ile de France

"Daniel Barlow" <dan@telent.net> wrote

> I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
> users", though, given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
> iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
> decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
> to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on). No bike
> manufacturer anywhere prevents you from doing what you want to the
> bike you own. *That's* a platform for tool building.
>
>
> -dan

Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone then he'd have a support
nightmare. The PC world has proven that beyond doubt. BTW, man is both a
tool builder and a tool user.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:56:34 -0400
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, man is
> both a tool builder and a tool user.
>
Who makes the tools to make the tools to make the tools ... ?
:-)

"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|
| Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
| tool builder and a tool user.

Builder and User are superfluous.

pOB

PoB wrote:
> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> |
> | Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
> | tool builder and a tool user.
>
> Builder and User are superfluous.


I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.


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On May 16, 7:19 am, Artemisia <e.rose...@free.fr> wrote:
> Sorry if this has been posted already. I thought it was cute.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ob_GX50Za6c&fmt=18
>
> EFR
> At a computer in Ile de France

Very interesting.

Thanks for sharing.

Lewis.

*****

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> ...It
> would be fun to come up with bike equivalents to such things as the
> BSOD (Black Screen of Death).

For me, it's hearing that /crack!/ when tightening a stem bolt. (Haven't
done it in years...quick learner.)

Bill "and my death screen is blue" S.

"Paul M. Hobson" <fobson@gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:g0k1n0$2r$1@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> PoB wrote:
>> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> |
>> | Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
>> | tool builder and a tool user.
>>
>> Builder and User are superfluous.
>
>
> I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
> nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.
>
But they were only given the idea by the big black monolith ;-)

In article <87r6c2ig7m.fsf@toy.config>,
Daniel Barlow <dan@telent.net> writes in part:

> I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
> users", though,

Whuddaya expect from an (erstwhile?) Unix guy? ;-)

> given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
> iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
> decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
> to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on).

It's called "proprietism." At least, I think it is,
although I may have just coined a word.


cheers, & standards (and backward compatibility) are good,
Tom

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In article <ri3m0g.v8.ln@vcn.bc.ca>, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

> In article <87r6c2ig7m.fsf@toy.config>,
> Daniel Barlow <dan@telent.net> writes in part:
>
> > I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
> > users", though,
>
> Whuddaya expect from an (erstwhile?) Unix guy? ;-)
>
> > given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
> > iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
> > decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
> > to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on).
>
> It's called "proprietism." At least, I think it is,
> although I may have just coined a word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietism

Technically, the iPhone is not proprietistic. It does use a semi-closed
development-and-delivery model (how closed? Well, I have a copy of the
iPhone SDK, so not very).

OTOH, the philosophy of the iPhone as an app platform is primarily
(though by no means exclusively) to provide a first-rate mobile web
browser and serve apps as web apps.

Which, after all, seems to be the going thing these days.

Work just gave me a Blackberry,

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On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:20:32 -0400, "Paul M. Hobson"
<fobson@gatech.edu> wrote:

>PoB wrote:
>> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> |
>> | Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
>> | tool builder and a tool user.
>>
>> Builder and User are superfluous.
>
>
>I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
>nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

Crows are better at tool building than are chimpanzees.

Crows of New Caledonia fashion insect traps from leaves.
<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0423_030423_crowtools.html>

This one made a hook from a piece of wire.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm.
--
zk

>> PoB wrote:
>>> [Tool] Builder and [Tool] User are superfluous.

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:20:32 -0400, "Paul M. Hobson"
> <fobson@gatech.edu> wrote:
>> I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
>> nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Crows are better at tool building than are chimpanzees.
>
> Crows of New Caledonia fashion insect traps from leaves.
> <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0423_030423_crowtools.html>
>
> This one made a hook from a piece of wire.
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm.

Wow. Interesting reads. Thanks for the links.

\\paul
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