Re: Al Those Great Scientists Here

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On May 7, 6:23 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
>
> news:d1a87038-4d69-4314-bef5-48169780e97e@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >  Most people agree there was
> > a Medieval Warm Period, they just don't agree that it
> > means what "co2science.org" wants it to mean.
>
> Well, Benny, good old CO2Science is so bad that some of your buddies
> attacked it and tried to erase all of the data. Too bad for people like you
> that actual records and papers prove you wrong most of the time.
>
> But it's all right with me if you want to pretend to be knowledgeable about
> something you know nothing about.

Tom, every time you come up with some random
argument, you say stuff about "actual records and
papers" and then are hard pressed to come up
with references. Then you start throwing insults,
which is cool - this is RBR after all - but you need to
come up with some new ones. I didn't give you any
references myself, this time, because you plagiarized the
original quote (I'm serious about calling that plagiarism,
you know) and because I don't have time to correct
all of your CO2 radiative transfer homework, much less
hack into co2science.org, since I'm busy killing half
the world's population. It's hard work even for trained
professionals.

Sincerely,
Keyser Soze (Dr.)

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

>
> If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
> live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
> stick instead of a bike.
>

I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.

--
Bill Asher

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>> If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
>> live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
>> stick instead of a bike.

William Asher wrote:
> I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the
> concentration camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the
> electricity required to run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Oy, whats going to happen to the rest of our afternoon training rides.

In article <Xns9A98753C38935FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:

> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> >
> > If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
> > live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
> > stick instead of a bike.
> >
>
> I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
> camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
> run the supercomputers modeling climate.

Hunh! What? Did somebody mention supermodels climbing computers?

--
Michael Press

On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
> > live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
> > stick instead of a bike.
>
> I don't think you have to worry about that.  You'll be in the concentration
> camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
> run the supercomputers modeling climate.  

laughs...
I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?

> Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.  

Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
manages to get out of its own way.

As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
can afford you.

On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
>
> > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
>
> Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> manages to get out of its own way.
>
> As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> can afford you.

Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

Ben
Can I get a bike rack to fit
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?

In article <7472b021-32c2-4dc8-9488-721ed31d4901@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> > me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
> >
> > > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
> >
> > Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> > manages to get out of its own way.
> >
> > As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> > can afford you.
>
> Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along the lines
of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called the Ka, which I
think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will simply call it the KaKa.

I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <YOURhoward-D5B3A5.22541612052008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article
> <7472b021-32c2-4dc8-9488-721ed31d4901@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> > > me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
> > >
> > > > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
> > >
> > > Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> > > manages to get out of its own way.
> > >
> > > As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> > > can afford you.
> >
> > Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm
>
> There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along the
> lines
> of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called the Ka,
> which I
> think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will simply call it
> the KaKa.

That's true as far as it goes, but in fact both the 500 and the new-gen
Ka are derived from the Fiat Panda platform, which in its current
iteration dates back to 2003.

The Panda itself is quite a credible small car; were I to pick a nice
runabout for tooling around Europe, a Panda 100hp would be near the top
of my list.

> I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.

My wife would love to get an original 500. The new version is cute
enough, but not as good at being a car, from the reviews I've read. On
the ther hand, the Abarth version is intriguing.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > > If you and Asher reduce my standard of living so much that I have to
> > > live in a cave with you, I am going to have to break your legs with a
> > > stick instead of a bike.
>
> > I don't think you have to worry about that. You'll be in the concentration
> > camp pedaling a stationary bicycle to generate the electricity required to
> > run the supercomputers modeling climate.
>
> laughs...
> I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
>
> > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
>
> Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> manages to get out of its own way.
>
> As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> can afford you.

You get points for being a "cheap bastard". Conserving is actually
conservative. Funny how "conservative" now means "wasteful".
-Paul

In article <rcousine-B2558B.00324513052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <YOURhoward-D5B3A5.22541612052008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <7472b021-32c2-4dc8-9488-721ed31d4901@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> > > > me, not you. You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
> > > >
> > > > > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
> > > >
> > > > Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> > > > manages to get out of its own way.
> > > >
> > > > As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars." That is how I
> > > > can afford you.
> > >
> > > Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
> > > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm
> >
> > There's a new version (circa '07) of the 500 that's done kind of along
> > the lines of the Mini. It's supposed to share a platform with a new Ford called
> > the Ka, which I think is a rather unfortunate choice of name, since many will
> > simply call it the KaKa.
>
> That's true as far as it goes, but in fact both the 500 and the new-gen
> Ka are derived from the Fiat Panda platform, which in its current
> iteration dates back to 2003.
>
> The Panda itself is quite a credible small car; were I to pick a nice
> runabout for tooling around Europe, a Panda 100hp would be near the top
> of my list.
>
> > I see a 500 on one of my rides that has a Mona Lisa painted on the hood.
>
> My wife would love to get an original 500. The new version is cute
> enough, but not as good at being a car, from the reviews I've read. On
> the other hand, the Abarth version is intriguing.

Abarth does some pretty cool stuff with Fiats. I had a '67 Abarth 850 coupe a long
time ago. Unfortunately, it had lived within sight of the ocean over in Santa Cruz
and was a bucket of rust because of it.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On May 12, 10:02 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I knew when you talked about "sacrifices that must be made," you meant
> > me, not you.  You don't work for the Bush Admin, do you?
>
> > > Leave the keys to your beamer where they can find them.
>
> > Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> > manages to get out of its own way.
>
> > As a cheap bastard, I've always driven "economy cars."  That is how I
> > can afford you.
>
> Hey, you can't beat the ride of Italian steel:
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/members.htm

I don't know why Daihatsu doesn't import anymore. Maybe the goofball
safety regs in the US drove off another tiny car maker, but fuel
prices were low. I wish I could get this one as it gets 49 mpg and is
a basic car:

http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/index.html
http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/pdf/file1.pdf

>
> Ben
> Can I get a bike rack to fit:
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?

That ain't nuttin. Check this:

http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/motorshow2007/main_en.htm

When you get past the intro (skip), click on the Mud Master-C
doohicky. Then click on the movie. WARNING: THERE IS BIKE RELATED
CONTENT (RAITA SUZUKI)!

The HSC concept car suggests 78mpg (for a _gas_ motor).

----
Anywho, more small diesel cars should be available in CA by 2009/2010,
as the NOx thing gets ironed out. They'll be doing 50-70 mpg without
too much trouble. I don't like hybrids too much as they are too
complicated. I don't think they are worth the trouble and cost.

That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

In article
<19856f1e-51d9-4ee5-aeba-ac4cfc71c915@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On May 12, 10:02 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
> > On May 10, 5:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 8, 11:31 am, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Dude, my car has a 1.0L engine, and get's 40-50 mpg, if it first
> > > manages to get out of its own way.

Since I don't use my car to commute, and since their prices are in the
toilet, I keep whining to my wife that we should get an early-90s Lexus
LS400 (4-litre V8).

> I don't know why Daihatsu doesn't import anymore. Maybe the goofball
> safety regs in the US drove off another tiny car maker, but fuel
> prices were low. I wish I could get this one as it gets 49 mpg and is
> a basic car:
>
> http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/index.html
> http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/cuore/pdf/file1.pdf

Daihatsu is half-owned by Toyota, and they presumably see the Yaris as
getting as close to the Charade as anyone would want on this continent.

> >
> > Ben
> > Can I get a bike rack to fit:
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/fiat500canada/italy.jpg ?
>
> That ain't nuttin. Check this:
>
> http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/motorshow2007/main_en.htm
>
> When you get past the intro (skip), click on the Mud Master-C
> doohicky. Then click on the movie. WARNING: THERE IS BIKE RELATED
> CONTENT (RAITA SUZUKI)!

I watched that video with lust in my heart.

Thanks to Canada's liberal importation rules for cars older than 15
years, we're starting to see some very interesting kei-cars and other
weird JDM stuff on the roads locally. I gather the shipping costs are
about the same as the initial purchase costs in Japan.

These guys are in Vancouver:

http://japanoid.com/

I am also lusting after the Nissan Figaro, which is stupidly cute, and
the Microbus-conversion Suzuki Every:

http://www.usedvancouver.com/classified-ad/4002217

I've seen that actual van in person, and it really does look like a
scale model VW Microbus.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> I keep whining to my wife that we should get an early-90s Lexus
> LS400 (4-litre V8).

http://www.google.com/search?q=wheeler+dealers+lexus+ls400

>That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
>about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
>demand for small cars in the US. That might change.

Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
a smart car" mentality.

Phil H

In article <vIKdnVzV2L4OgLPVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:

> >That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
> >about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
> >demand for small cars in the US. That might change.
>
> Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
> cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
> the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
> to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
> a smart car" mentality.

I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:35 -0700, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:

>>That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
>>about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
>>demand for small cars in the US. That might change.
>
>Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
>cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
>the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
>to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
>a smart car" mentality.
>
>Phil H

SUV sales in the US have been dropping since 2005 and this trend is
likely to continue. Unfortunately, one of the things that could
prolong the SUV is that in an economic slowdown, some people cant
afford to buy a new car.

In article <YOURhoward-9FA199.17164516052008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <vIKdnVzV2L4OgLPVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>
> > >That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
> > >about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
> > >demand for small cars in the US. That might change.
> >
> > Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
> > cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
> > the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
> > to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
> > a smart car" mentality.
>
> I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

Don't do it! It's not worth it!

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b69s245i05pljq85tbv784oh0c07tga4de@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:35 -0700, "Phil Holman"
> <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>
>>>That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
>>>about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
>>>demand for small cars in the US. That might change.
>>
>>Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
>>cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
>>the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
>>to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around
>>in
>>a smart car" mentality.
>>
>>Phil H
>
> SUV sales in the US have been dropping since 2005 and this trend is
> likely to continue. Unfortunately, one of the things that could
> prolong the SUV is that in an economic slowdown, some people cant
> afford to buy a new car.

Interesting, I wonder what the average weight statistic looks like.

Phil H

On May 16, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <vIKdnVzV2L4OgLPVnZ2dnUVZ_orin...@comcast.com>,
>  "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>
> > >That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
> > >about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
> > >demand for small cars in the US.  That might change.
>
> > Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
> > cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
> > the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
> > to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
> > a smart car" mentality.
>
>    I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.

My wife wants one. She doesn't own a car now and gets around on a 50cc
scooter, bikes and buses, so a Smartcar would be an upgrade for her.
She only really needs a car for when it snows (I drive her to work
then) and I'm not sure the Smartcar makes sense for that. If Honda
make a hybrid version of the Fit or something similar, we'll be all
over it.

Bret

In article <4ee58552-b561-4b73-83a6-96ef1ac9a986@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 6:16 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <vIKdnVzV2L4OgLPVnZ2dnUVZ_orin...@comcast.com>,
> >  "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
> >
> > > >That asswipe Ralph Nader scared the crap out of everyone in the US
> > > >about "highway safety," so that combined with low fuel prices lowered
> > > >demand for small cars in the US.  That might change.
> >
> > > Don't hold your breath. Seeking to significantly reduce the size of US
> > > cars (SUVs) is similar to implementing more gun controls. The good of
> > > the majority is secondary to individual freedoms. It's a "nobody wants
> > > to drive around in a smart car until everyone else is driving around in
> > > a smart car" mentality.
> >
> >    I want to drive around in a Smartcar now.
>
> My wife wants one. She doesn't own a car now and gets around on a 50cc
> scooter, bikes and buses, so a Smartcar would be an upgrade for her.
> She only really needs a car for when it snows (I drive her to work
> then) and I'm not sure the Smartcar makes sense for that. If Honda
> make a hybrid version of the Fit or something similar, we'll be all
> over it.

The Smartcar site has a FAQ that includes the snow question. It makes it sound
like they'd do fine in snowy conditions.

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-faq.aspx

Getting around on a scooter can be entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcG8oxbMqWc

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?