Mountain Biker Breaks Collarbone: Evolution at work!

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Man injured near Wax Road mountain biking

04/25/08

An unidentified man had to be rescued by emergency crews after
breaking his collar bone mountain biking out near Wax Road Friday,
said EMA director Scotty Hancock.

The man flipped over his handlebars after another cyclist in from of
him wrecked coming down a trail. Hancock said he sustained a broken
collar bone.

The wreck occured around one-quarter mile out in the woods and
ambulances and fire-crews initially had difficulty finding the
location of accident and reaching it.

The EMA was called in to extract the man and ambulances transported
him to the hospital.


--
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Wishing harm upon his fellow man again...Here's another good one I
read once...evolution at work I guess according to your standards
mike.I heard a chef burnt himself while cooking! or we could say
something stupid like...
Chefs should stay only in the kitchen...not at B-B-Q's in state parks
and state lands!!! It taints nature with its smell and breaks down the
atmosphere and environment.

Now, tell me if that isn't the same as the bullshit you been pounding
on with the cycling for years...You're a FOOL mike. Go back to the
kitchen and use your college degree you got when you hid while other
proud americans died in Vietnam.

maguahiker@gmail.com wrote:
> Wishing harm upon his fellow man again...Here's another good one I
> read once...evolution at work I guess according to your standards
> mike.I heard a chef burnt himself while cooking! or we could say
> something stupid like...
> Chefs should stay only in the kitchen...not at B-B-Q's in state parks
> and state lands!!! It taints nature with its smell and breaks down the
> atmosphere and environment.
>
> Now, tell me if that isn't the same as the bullshit you been pounding
> on with the cycling for years...You're a FOOL mike. Go back to the
> kitchen and use your college degree you got when you hid while other
> proud americans died in Vietnam.

College deferments for the draft? Is Mike really that old?
gr

> College deferments for the draft? Is Mike really that old?
> gr

Yep...he once made a comment in the archives that "my country had
better uses for me back home" amongst his ignorance to others that
went off to fight. That's why he has his PHD...he had to HIDE for a
long time!

old lying fool...we can call him the artful dodger codger.

A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
discussed in terms of the other.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhilton@verizon.net>
wrote:

>A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>discussed in terms of the other.

Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.

Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
poor animal had to die because of your supidity.

so you say...

Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection
at
work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.


You actually mean that if you would have died while avoiding the
vietnam war in college or were to die now recently while poking fun of
vets because you were "needed back home", wouldn't that be natural
selection because you are morally wrong for making statements that you
are better than those who went to war?


Isn't it immoral to make statements to people like.."i hope you break
a leg" and other horrible statements of harm to others? that is not
moral. You make those statements all the time. How about the moral
obligation to tell the truth such as you stating I am a mountain biker
or you continued avoidance of questions about flying? you lie with
those questions daily. Lying is not moral.

Just for the record Mike, many people feel that homosexuality is
immoral. Yet I don't criticize you for that!!
But for all the other horrible things you do...I find you a sensless
immoral bastard.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>
>> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
>Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>poor animal had to die because of your supidity.

BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
KNOW, LIAR.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:34:50 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>so you say...
>
>Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection
>at
>work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
>
>You actually mean that if you would have died while avoiding the
>vietnam war in college or were to die now recently while poking fun of
>vets because you were "needed back home", wouldn't that be natural
>selection because you are morally wrong for making statements that you
>are better than those who went to war?
>
>
>Isn't it immoral to make statements to people like.."i hope you break
>a leg"

I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.

and other horrible statements of harm to others? that is not
>moral. You make those statements all the time. How about the moral
>obligation to tell the truth such as you stating I am a mountain biker

I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.

>or you continued avoidance of questions about flying? you lie with
>those questions daily. Lying is not moral.
>
>Just for the record Mike, many people feel that homosexuality is
>immoral. Yet I don't criticize you for that!!

You just did, LIAR. Obviously, you know NOTHING about me, and yet are
willing to make unfounded aseertions (i.e., LIES) all the time.
CONTINUALLY. That's called an "incorrigible LIAR". So much for
morality....

>But for all the other horrible things you do...I find you a sensless
>immoral bastard.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gube145ikrhv7l2jesebcnm952e2h2enl8@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
> <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>>> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>>> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>>
>>> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>>> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>
>>Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>>poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> KNOW, LIAR.


You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
and there was frequent traffic.
You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
or as a pet owner.
Can't really face who you are, can you?


Umm.....

Laziness?
Cognitive dissonance?
Bad role modeling?
Denial?
Lying!


JP

On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> KNOW, LIAR.

Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.

> I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.


you God damned Liar...it is in the past posts. You stated directly you
"were needed more at home than in the war" and "my country thought I
would be better at home in college than in the war"...yeah...whatever
Chef...now you say you didn't say those statements. You lie. You
stated to a MTber this week..."I hope you break a leg"...you make
posts about people dying while cycling stating it is work in
progress...then you say you didn't say these things? You are a total
pyscho liar!

We all know a great deal about you. You lie...about flying, about
writing books, about your research studies...about having a website of
nothing but other's quotes and we could go on and on...

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.

You conveniently removed the statement that I was referring to -- a
sure sign of dishonesty.

>you God damned Liar...it is in the past posts. You stated directly you
>"were needed more at home than in the war" and "my country thought I
>would be better at home in college than in the war"...yeah...whatever
>Chef...now you say you didn't say those statements. You lie. You
>stated to a MTber this week..."I hope you break a leg"

No, I didn't. You deliberately misquoted me. As usual. You are an
INCORRIGIBLE LIAR.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:15:20 GMT, "JP" <vze2wx8p@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:gube145ikrhv7l2jesebcnm952e2h2enl8@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>> <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>>>> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>>>> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>>>
>>>> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>>>> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>>
>>>Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>>>poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>>
>> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
>> KNOW, LIAR.
>
>
>You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
>on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"

No, I wasn't aware of that.

>and there was frequent traffic.
>You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
>or as a pet owner.

It's not a cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of the
street. They have a right to a life. DUH.

>Can't really face who you are, can you?
>
>
>Umm.....
>
>Laziness?
>Cognitive dissonance?
>Bad role modeling?
>Denial?
>Lying!
>
>
>JP
>
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>> >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>> >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>
>> >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>> >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>
>> >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>> >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>>
>> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
>> KNOW, LIAR.
>
>Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
>out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.

No, it would be irresponsible to confine a cat to an indoor life. You,
on the other hand, should be so confined, for society;s sake.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:kn7l141rsje6uer53rjgek11gmas2h5ek5@4ax.com...

>>
>>You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
>>on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
>
> No, I wasn't aware of that.

Liar. You mention in his schmaltzy epilogue that you knew
cats preyed on birds and small animals. What are they? Domesticated?
>
>>and there was frequent traffic.
>>You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
>>or as a pet owner.
>
> It's not a cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of the
> street. They have a right to a life. DUH.

It is a pet owners responsibility to procide a safe and healthy environment for a pet.
They have a right to a life and if you get involved with one they have a right to expect
you to provide it. And if you choose to live in a city with an animal you have every
responsibility to keep it safe, and to keep the neighborhood wildlife safe, and to keep your
animal from roaming and spreading its piss crap and genetic code all over town.
You want to let your animal roam? Go live in the country.

Lazy-check
Bad role model -double check
Lying, Denying, Can't see what's in front of his eyes (cognitive dissonance)

You qualify for your own thesis.


One thing MV.
I like animals, have pets and I think your behavior and lack of responsibility
as regards your pet were reprehensible.
Your wacko trolling is harmless but your total refusal to accept your
role in the cat's death fully illustrates your lack of character
and your lack of humanity.

May you receive all that you deserve.

JP

On May 2, 12:59 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >> >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >> >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> >> >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> >> >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> >> >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> >> >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> >> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> >> KNOW, LIAR.
>
> >Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
> >out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.
>
> No, it would be irresponsible to confine a cat to an indoor life. You,
> on the other hand, should be so confined, for society;s sake.

Then they should be free 24/7 but you CHOOSE to OWN them because you
are SELFISH.

On Apr 29, 12:59 pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> > <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> > >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> > >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> > >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> > >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> > >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> > >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> > BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> > KNOW, LIAR.
>
> Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
> out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.

In many jurisdictions a cat at large is the same offense as a dog at
large. It might be prosecuted less often, but it's a reflection on
general safety and treating one's pets in a responsible manner.
"Having a life" and being treated in a responsible manner are not
directly connected. The one is a philosophical generality while the
other is a civic responsibility.

While one can never countervail any of Mikey's blither-blather, the
occasional post which educes said response provides a modicum of
amusement in slow times and jogs others' sensibilities as to Mikey's
near-total misanthropy.

PH

Here's a quick quiz we will never see answers to because Mike will
dodge again. The true answers are in caps. Of course those answers are
subject to change depending on Mike's Depakote dosages.

Did you fly or not? YES or no
Did you lie about me being a mtber? YES or no
Did you lie about other's occupations such as airline sources? YES or
no
Did you write a book? yes or NO
Did you tell people you walked to an airport that is not possible to
walk to in Australia? YES or no
Is your website entirely quotes from others? YES or no
Did you not say 'my country found me more valuable back home" in
response to hiding from the draft? YES or no
Are you the Swedish Chef from the muppets? yes or no
Did you not keep a good eye on your poor cat? yes or no and with this
question...cat's a detrimental to society when left outdoors and
unfixed due to the needless killing off of animals not in the cycle.
what kind of irresponsible fool would preach envirofriendly topics and
do the opposite behind closed doors? a dishonest one like you.
Do you not work for one of the worst companies that kill nature and
trees in the name of technology? YES or no

We could go on and on.