DiLuca's stupidity defense

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I think the psyche that produces drug cheats starts early on in a cyclists' life. We all pick up the bike as white-gowned cycling brides wanting to be responsible citizens and road users. But before long we're ploughing through stop signs, riding across pedestrian crossings, and through and around red traffic lights, all the while carping that we are just like any other vehicle on the road and deserve to be respected as such. We become cheating short-cut opportunists, sometimes more decadent in larger groups.

Cycling just eats away at our moral fiber, until eventually we are on the TdF podium wondering if Dr. Ferrari double checked that last blood transfusion properly... :D

The UCI's treatment of the whistleblowers is one of the main reasons why I hate those guys' guts. But I think the sport needs some kind of an official governing body. It's just that the current UCI's involvement in the sorry mess is never admitted to... and they prefer to have the public believe that there is only a handful of "old" riders who dope... and once we get rid of them the sport will be lily, virgin bride, white.You hate those guys' guts?? Many of your posts are supportive of the UCI. :p

But yes, I agree with you. Their treatment of those riders who are willing to fess up and blow the whistle itself is enough to show the amount of corruption up there.

You hate those guys' guts?? Many of your posts are supportive of the UCI. :p

But yes, I agree with you. Their treatment of those riders who are willing to fess up and blow the whistle itself is enough to show the amount of corruption up there.I'm supportive of the USA. Doesn't mean I love the current Bush administration.

But my previous posts are less about support for the UCI, and more about the perils of ASO taking over professional cycling. The UCI structure needs to change, as well as the bobble heads in charge IMHO.

Well Diluca is being allowed to ride the Tirreno-Adriatico.

Well Diluca is being allowed to ride the Tirreno-Adriatico.
Crap. That probably means they don't have enough on him yet to make a case stick with any certainty.

I don't imagine we can be lucky enough to have them catch him again at Tirreno-Adriatico. It's not a main goal race for him so he won't be risking large discrepancies in his blood values.

I don't think Di Luca can be as unaware (or arogant?) as Tyler was when he competed at the 2004 Olympics knowing they now had a valid test for homlogous blood doping.

The one problem with press leaks, allegations and half-assed doping charges (i.e. 3 month suspension for invlovement in Oil for Drugs - what a joke) is that it just makes the dopers more careful.

Crap. That probably means they don't have enough on him yet to make a case stick with any certainty.

I don't imagine we can be lucky enough to have them catch him again at Tirreno-Adriatico. It's not a main goal race for him so he won't be risking large discrepancies in his blood values.

I don't think Di Luca can be as unaware (or arogant?) as Tyler was when he competed at the 2004 Olympics knowing they now had a valid test for homlogous blood doping.

The one problem with press leaks, allegations and half-assed doping charges (i.e. 3 month suspension for invlovement in Oil for Drugs - what a joke) is that it just makes the dopers more careful.I think we can state with some certainty that this will be an 'off' year for Danilo... he will crack on the first mountain stage in the Giro... :rolleyes:

I get that feeling too, especially with Landis. He reminds of a crack whore on a bender always wanting more. (Gimme, gimme, gimme, I need some more; gimme, gimme, gimme, don't ask what for -- BF.) It's not until the haze clears that he'll possibly see how greedy he's been. He's getting bad advice from someone. Or possibly no one. He's dug himself a deep hole and based on his actions (I'm thinking of the Lemond phone call) he wants to climb out but it seems like he thinks he's dug too deep. If you're in a hole, it doesn't matter how deep you've gotten yourself in, out is where you wanna be. I don't know if he's got the balls to do it. I'd have respect for him if he did.

Maybe if WADA continues to target the top dopers, the lower wrung won't feel as compelled to cheat. However, don't underestimate the recreational lure of these drugs. If testosterone and steroids are a rush, EPO and HGH stacked on top has got to be that much better. Look at Tyler Hamilton. Look how distorted his face has become. (The pics are on this site somewhere. There's more than a few, so it's not a bad angle.) That's likely from mass quantities of HGH. He looks like a clown, literally. How he can look at himself in the mirror and not think, "I'm a freak show," is beyond me. Maybe he just figures the damage is already done, and besides, "HGH is fun, effective, and non-detectable." He is a modern day Greek tragedy. Like Landis, he had plenty, but wanted more.

But back to the original thought: Landis and Hamilton got the blue print from Armstrong, but they got it a year or two too late. And when WADA came calling, they didn't have the funds accumulated, or maybe the good sense, to pay them off. For Flamilton, the timing was horribly, horribly bad. I think you can say plenty of bad things about WADA, but Landis, Hamilton and Herras rightfully are top-shelf trophies for that organization.
his best friend/manager Will Geoghagan or whatever his name is, did a Faustian deal. I see Will as a nice guy, but saw the $$$ signs when Fraud won, and then saw himself as Bob Stapelton millionaire sports agent, steering the apotheosis of the dead hip aka Floyd.

money, it was the lure.

no excuse for the Paceliners, they oughta get a life.

I'm supportive of the USA. Doesn't mean I love the current Bush administration.

But my previous posts are less about support for the UCI, and more about the perils of ASO taking over professional cycling. The UCI structure needs to change, as well as the bobble heads in charge IMHO.
you cant say you are unsupportive as faster than you said that, and faster than you can say "extraordinary rendition" you would be in a gulag out Wimmera DC.

you cant say you are unsupportive as faster than you said that, and faster than you can say "extraordinary rendition" you would be in a gulag out Wimmera DC.Am I supposed to record this and play it backwards to get the meaning???... :confused: :D

But my previous posts are less about support for the UCI, and more about the perils of ASO taking over professional cycling. The UCI structure needs to change, as well as the bobble heads in charge IMHO.
What reason is there to think ASO is trying to take over cycling rather than just wanting to continue to invite the teams they wish to invite to their races, as has always been the case?

What reason is there to think ASO is trying to take over cycling rather than just wanting to continue to invite the teams they wish to invite to their races, as has always been the case?I don't know which was the first : the Pro Tour or the willing of promoting as a whole the major Pro race... we just know that Verbruggen was one of the actor.
Apparently a dutch company had tried to buy ASO races, then probably ASO reacted and has seen Pro Tour as a threat. Maybe their reaction is to keep the control of their races, even if they must buy others.
Other major organisers are certainly worried by that, and seem to have more confidence in ASO than in UCI and his project like cycling formule1.
Sure an organiser will more defends his races than a global entity ready to change his pieces in an other country or to an other race for more profit like it is now in formule 1.

What reason is there to think ASO is trying to take over cycling rather than just wanting to continue to invite the teams they wish to invite to their races, as has always been the case?Read McQuaid's speech (http://www.cyclingforums.com/t453296.html) in Bro Deal's OP on the linked thread. You can perhaps discount a lot of the rhetoric as "slightly" exaggerated, but I think most of the points are valid.

Maybe if WADA continues to target the top dopers, the lower wrung won't feel as compelled to cheat. However, don't underestimate the recreational lure of these drugs. If testosterone and steroids are a rush, EPO and HGH stacked on top has got to be that much better. Look at Tyler Hamilton. Look how distorted his face has become. (The pics are on this site somewhere. There's more than a few, so it's not a bad angle.) That's likely from mass quantities of HGH. He looks like a clown, literally. How he can look at himself in the mirror and not think, "I'm a freak show," is beyond me. Maybe he just figures the damage is already done, and besides, "HGH is fun, effective, and non-detectable." He is a modern day Greek tragedy. Like Landis, he had plenty, but wanted more.Glad I'm not alone in noticing this. The transformation of his facial features exhibit the characteristics of excessive HGH use. For reference, see Sly Stallone. For reference on using HGH within reasonable human limits, see any MLB pitcher.

Glad I'm not alone in noticing this. The transformation of his facial features exhibit the characteristics of excessive HGH use. For reference, see Sly Stallone. For reference on using HGH within reasonable human limits, see any MLB pitcher.
I would like to get an explanation for Hamilton's new look. His hair is longer and frames his face differently, but his facial features really do look different. Did he have plastic surgery? Maybe it's the first step to changing his identity. :D

I would like to get an explanation for Hamilton's new look. His hair is longer and frames his face differently, but his facial features really do look different. Did he have plastic surgery? Maybe it's the first step to changing his identity. :D
its all for his new career as a rent boy

I would like to get an explanation for Hamilton's new look. His hair is longer and frames his face differently, but his facial features really do look different. Did he have plastic surgery? Maybe it's the first step to changing his identity. :DIf anyone was able to direct him to a cosmetic surgeon, t'would be Mikey Ball.

Glad I'm not alone in noticing this. The transformation of his facial features exhibit the characteristics of excessive HGH use. For reference, see Sly Stallone. For reference on using HGH within reasonable human limits, see any MLB pitcher.He is scary, and he's also been using way too much tanning lotion, his skin is orange... maybe that was to distract from the facial features?

He is scary, and he's also been using way too much tanning lotion, his skin is orange... maybe that was to distract from the facial features?Can someone post a recent picture for reference, please?

Can someone post a recent picture for reference, please?
crack go to raashan bahati's website.

racingbahati or something like that.

bro always posts links to it. Oely did too. Do a search for "oely" and his/her posts and you will see the pic.

crack go to raashan bahati's website.

racingbahati or something like that.

bro always posts links to it. Oely did too. Do a search for "oely" and his/her posts and you will see the pic.
a couple here http://www.flickr.com/photos/dharrels/2273571468/in/photostream/

he does look a tad peculiar - and that rock jersey is trying too hard to be cool.

The problem with the ProTour was that Verbruggen went ahead and sold PT team licenses without ever securing a guarantee from ASO and RCS that they would be happy to invite all the PT teams at the expense of having wildcards (ASO have long argued that they need to invite some of the smaller French teams to sustain interest in the race in France and develop the sport by giving them a shot at the big time - those teams haven't always shone but we all know why, don't we?). Heiny bulldozed the ProTour through to secure his spurious 'legacy' and the rest is history...