Wilderness Q&A

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Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
else? :)

Mike


From: Ted Stroll <tedstroll@yahoo.com>
Subject: Wilderness Q&A

Everyone,

I'm planning to write an article for the ROMP newsletter on mountain
biking and federal Wilderness, i.e., why we can't ride there. It's
basically a legal issue, though, of course, there are political
aspects that affect the legal background.

I'm planning to do the article in question-and-answer format. At first
I was going to write my own questions and answer them, and I still
will, but I thought I should also invite your questions. You're likely
to think of questions that wouldn't occur to me.

So if you have a question, please send it to me and I'll see if I can
incorporate it in the article.

Here are some examples of possible questions: When did the Wilderness
ban take effect? How much Wilderness is there in the U.S.? What's the
main law that says no biking in Wilderness? How can this law or these
laws be changed? Is there any likelihood I'll ever be able to ride in
Wilderness? Please feel free to ask these or any other questions you
have.

Ted
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
>else? :)

They can, I assure you! I personally walked just today.

-Beej

On Feb 29, 12:16 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
> else? :)
>
> Mike

Probably for the same reason enviromentalists can't take a sailboat to
an international conference.

On Feb 29, 6:47 am, Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 29, 12:16 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
> > else? :)
>
> > Mike
>
> Probably for the same reason enviromentalists can't take a sailboat to
> an international conference.

Great answer:-)

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:o95fs3drngeq0ut7j5vm91ip5k32at61f3@4ax.com...
> Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
> else? :)
>
> Mike
>
>

Everybody else does not walk, some ride bikes, some ride horses, some drive
(the slower the better).

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:o95fs3drngeq0ut7j5vm91ip5k32at61f3@4ax.com...
> Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
> else? :)
>
> Mike

Because they are wearing strange shoes!

hehe
tomov

If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
atlantic to pacific in record time...

Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
mike, was a coward from the military??

<maguahiker@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:07bdec41-3a42-45bb-82a1-0548ba26d1df@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
> flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
> atlantic to pacific in record time...
>
> Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
> mike, was a coward from the military??

You are offtopic - just like mike.

/tomov

On Feb 29, 3:46 pm, <pe...@panto.com> wrote:
> <maguahi...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:07bdec41-3a42-45bb-82a1-0548ba26d1df@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
> > flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
> > atlantic to pacific in record time...
>
> > Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
> > mike, was a coward from the military??
>
> You are offtopic - just like mike.
>
> /tomov

Oh yeah...sorry. I mentioned the fact his original post, which is
always unoriginal because if you look...it is all someone elses
research, posts, letters, etc. Nothing is ever "HIS" material.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
<beej@beej.us> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
>>else? :)
>
>They can, I assure you! I personally walked just today.
>
>-Beej

Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
WALK.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:42:16 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
>flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
>atlantic to pacific in record time...
>
>Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
>mike, was a coward from the military??

Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

penta@panto.com wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:o95fs3drngeq0ut7j5vm91ip5k32at61f3@4ax.com...
>> Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
>> else? :)
>>
>> Mike
>
> Because they are wearing strange shoes!
>
No, you are thinking about "road" cyclists who insist on silly cleats
and pedals.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

>
> Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
> me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
> --

LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.

On Feb 29, 11:55 pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
> > me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
> > --
>
> LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
> more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
> called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
> community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
> way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.

Mr. PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) I will gladly help you with your
venture (wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?)

Anyone else willing to help? We can all meet Mike with our bikes and
ride while he hikes to survey the areas that he has in mind for his
cause. Keep in mind Mike if we ride we will be able to speed of the
process. The reason we ride, speed and thrills.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
>parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
>WALK.

Ok. Mountain bikers should have the same access as hikers to all these
areas. Let's put that on a proposal right now to ebparks.

Then you can go to them and say, "Yeah, but I mean only mountain bikers
who are hiking." And there can be a blustery debate.

What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? Wait! Don't
answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.

-Beej

> What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike?  Wait!  Don't
> answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>
> -Beej

LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
remain a fraud.

Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
was just an interesting thought.

Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
pockets with oil profits.

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:59:33 -0800 (PST), jheidler1@comcast.net wrote:

>On Feb 29, 11:55 pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> > Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
>> > me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
>> > --
>>
>> LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
>> more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
>> called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
>> community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
>> way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.
>
>Mr. PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) I will gladly help you with your
>venture (wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?)
>
>Anyone else willing to help? We can all meet Mike with our bikes and
>ride while he hikes to survey the areas that he has in mind for his
>cause. Keep in mind Mike if we ride we will be able to speed of the
>process. The reason we ride, speed and thrills.

Thanks for demonstrating just how idiotic mountain bikers are. Not
that we needed any more proof than we already had.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
>>parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
>>WALK.
>
>Ok. Mountain bikers should have the same access as hikers to all these
>areas. Let's put that on a proposal right now to ebparks.
>
>Then you can go to them and say, "Yeah, but I mean only mountain bikers
>who are hiking." And there can be a blustery debate.

Only among idiots like you, who can't think.

>What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? Wait! Don't
>answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>
>-Beej
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:43:58 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike?  Wait!  Don't
>> answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>>
>> -Beej
>
>LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
>as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
>the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
>facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
>the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
>finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
>remain a fraud.
>
>Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
>a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
>it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
>from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
>snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
>because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
>has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
>conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
>and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
>on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
>about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
>generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
>for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
>park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
>was just an interesting thought.
>
>Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
>maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
>happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
>for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
>the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
>pockets with oil profits.

Did you say something? I didn't think so.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Yep, just as expected...nothing new or original. In fact...not even
any new thoughts, similar to all your copied articles. As usual...you
have nothing to say.