Another Mountain Biker Dies from a Heart Attack

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So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking!

http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=221823

http://www.2news.tv/features/calendar/15669217.html
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"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:41hcr3huh6sm0mip81dphd4hn0ejfqunod@4ax.com...
> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking!
>
> http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=221823
>
> http://www.2news.tv/features/calendar/15669217.html
> --


That it!!
You have convinced me.
Thank you so much.
Ill give up life.
I might die of it.

:-p
tomov

http://www.google.com/search?q=hiker+heart+attacks&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

Man, next to /breathing/, that hiking shit is dangerous! LOL

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking!
>
> http://www.boiseweekly.com/mumble

He probably had more fun hiking and biking that you do, digging around
for articles like that and dreaming up mean spirited posts. The cycling
probably kept him alive longer that he would have if he sat home in
front of his TV (or for that matter, PC.)

I think your monomania and the apparent anxiety you show will eventually
kill you earlier than cycling would.

And no, I don't own a mountain bike or a road bike right now (I hike and
go caving), but maybe I should get one just to tick you off.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:22:48 -0600, PatOConnell
<gypkap.figureitout@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking!
>>
>> http://www.boiseweekly.com/mumble
>
>He probably had more fun hiking and biking that you do, digging around
>for articles like that and dreaming up mean spirited posts. The cycling
>probably kept him alive longer that he would have if he sat home in
>front of his TV (or for that matter, PC.)
>
>I think your monomania and the apparent anxiety you show will eventually
>kill you earlier than cycling would.
>
>And no, I don't own a mountain bike or a road bike right now (I hike and
>go caving), but maybe I should get one just to tick you off.

Thanks for demonstrating your intelligence.
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but maybe I should get one just to tick you off.
>
> Thanks for demonstrating your intelligence.
> --
>

And thanks to you for STILL not providing no real intelligence
mike...or any real world figures and statistics...just made up
numbers. You're a fraud. No facts...all opinions. You should have
stayed a lunch lady as your "college degree" suggests.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:26:27 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

> but maybe I should get one just to tick you off.
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating your intelligence.
>> --
>>
>
>And thanks to you for STILL not providing no real intelligence
>mike...or any real world figures and statistics...just made up
>numbers. You're a fraud. No facts...all opinions. You should have
>stayed a lunch lady as your "college degree" suggests.

Thanks for demonstrating that mountain bikers can't tell the truth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

>
> Thanks for demonstrating that mountain bikers can't tell the truth.
> --

Hmmm....humor me about what I am not speaking truthfully about? I am
straight up honest with my thoughts, I can be straight and say...yep.
I use fuel and drive a vehicle, etc...I attempt to drive the most
economy efficient means including a moto scoot and on road bicycle to
and from errands, etc...I am straight up to tell you I use stuff
though...you use fuel and contaminate and even fly...you wretched
lying bastard...that means...you are a hypocrit or AKA...Liar. Just
like all you posts with made up facts and figures. Remember...figures
lie and liars figure! That's you...mr dietary lunchlady...can't deny
thost thing Mikey...and you know damn well you still use
fuel..etc...etc...just like everyone else. Difference is you get on
here and squawk like the little bitch you are without providing any
helpful info...NONE! not an ounce. You have tons of posts all pointing
to other people articles...etc...but nothing from your own mouth.
Because you don't have anything worthy to say.

And just where did I prove that Mt bikers lie? Once again...are you
making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
Biker...I probably am more of an outdoorsman, naturalist,
ecologist...etc. than you ever will be and several on the lists can
vouch for that fact. Whoa...look out, a fact. something you're not
used to.

Ok...now for a one liner quip that doesn't counter anything I
say...because you can't and you can scream out as usual...
LIAR....NO FACTS YET... ETC...and the usual garbage that shits out
your mouth.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:25:15 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating that mountain bikers can't tell the truth.
>> --
>
>Hmmm....humor me about what I am not speaking truthfully about? I am
>straight up honest with my thoughts, I can be straight and say...yep.
>I use fuel and drive a vehicle, etc...I attempt to drive the most
>economy efficient means including a moto scoot and on road bicycle to
>and from errands, etc...I am straight up to tell you I use stuff
>though...you use fuel and contaminate and even fly...you wretched
>lying bastard...that means...you are a hypocrit or AKA...Liar. Just
>like all you posts with made up facts and figures.

Shuh as the previous sentence, for example.

Remember...figures
>lie and liars figure! That's you...mr dietary lunchlady...can't deny
>thost thing Mikey...and you know damn well you still use
>fuel..etc...etc...just like everyone else. Difference is you get on
>here and squawk like the little bitch you are without providing any
>helpful info...NONE! not an ounce. You have tons of posts all pointing
>to other people articles...etc...but nothing from your own mouth.
>Because you don't have anything worthy to say.
>
>And just where did I prove that Mt bikers lie? Once again...are you
>making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
>know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
>a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
>Biker...I probably am more of an outdoorsman, naturalist,
>ecologist...etc. than you ever will be and several on the lists can
>vouch for that fact. Whoa...look out, a fact. something you're not
>used to.
>
>Ok...now for a one liner quip that doesn't counter anything I
>say...because you can't and you can scream out as usual...
>LIAR....NO FACTS YET... ETC...and the usual garbage that shits out
>your mouth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

maguahiker@gmail.com wrote:
>> [...] Once again...are you
> making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
> know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
> a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
> Biker[...]

You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On Feb 20, 11:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> maguahi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> [...] Once again...are you
> > making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
> > know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
> > a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
> > Biker[...]
>
> You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
> enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I think you are right Tom...and besides the pleasure of being able to
piss off Mikey.

Once again Mike...you're response says NOTHING. Where's your brilliant
articles...etc.? they don't exist. If they do...they copy other minds
and not you're own...You are a sheep. Let's hear it. Better yet...the
type of advocacy groups you support say a great deal about a person. I
can almost guarentee you which ones you belong to.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:34:19 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>maguahiker@gmail.com wrote:
>>> [...] Once again...are you
>> making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
>> know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
>> a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
>> Biker[...]
>
>You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
>enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.

No, it isn't! I tried it once. It was the most unpleasant time I have
ever spent in a park: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/ebrpd16. You
have to be pretty damaged to enjoy mountain biking.

January 6, 2001

Board of Directors
East Bay Regional Park District
2950 Peralta Oaks Court
P.O. Box 5381
Oakland, California 94605-0381

Re: Mountain Bike Races in Briones Regional Park

Gentlepersons:

Any rational person would think it absurd that our parks --
created to preserve a bit of pristine nature to be enjoyed forever --
would be used as places to house cattle or hold mountain bike races.
But such a person could not be familiar with the East Bay Regional
Park District, where such abuses are the rule, rather than the
exception!

The last race was held last September 23. I visited the park
four days later, to document the damage that was done to the park. The
race course was twenty miles long, so I knew I couldn't possibly hike
it in a day. Consequently I borrowed a friend's mountain bike. It was
lucky that I did, because I discovered that, contrary to what the
mountain bikers claim, riding a bike off of paved roads is no fun at
all! I rode only on fire roads, but even there, I was continually
subject to violent jarring, due to the hoof- and tire-pocked
"washboard" surface of the road. (I know that there are bikes with a
so-called "suspension", but there is no way to make a ride like that
"smooth" or enjoyable.)

Not only was the ride physically very unpleasant, but having
to continually watch the trail and try to control the bike meant that
it was impossible to enjoy the scenery or listen to the subtle sounds
of nature. So much for the mountain bikers' claims that they use bikes
to "enjoy nature"! Not having my feet in contact with the ground
further alienated me from the delightful sensations that I usually
experience when I hike.

I saw the usual damage -- bikes being ridden off-trail (e.g. east of
the Abrigo Trail), trails getting rutted or torn into powder, skid
marks, and "moonscape" caused by the presence of cows and bikes during
wet conditions. Huge cracks cut through the surface of the road, where
upcoming rains would carry away large chunks of the road. It is
obvious that the erosion caused by bikes and cows will be extremely
expensive to repair, if it is even repairable (eroded and destroyed
soil is not coming back!)!

I parked the bike at the east end of the Bear Creek Trail and
hiked it and back, looking for bike tracks (it is part of the tiny
percentage of park trails off-limits to bikes). Luckily, there were
none. But I noticed that the feeling of ecstasy that I felt while
being in this wild area of the park was present on none of the other
trails. On the way back, I wanted to see if I could hike along the
creek, to see something even more natural. But (luckily for the
wildlife) it was impossible. However at one point on what must have
been a deer trail, a large buck flushed from the thick brush near the
creek. This was the only animal, other than a few birds, that I saw
during those several hours in the park! Obviously, there is too much
human- and cattle presence in the park, for wildlife to feel
comfortable there.

At one point (on the Deer Creek Trail?) I passed a small pond.
It was almost completely filled with cattails. There were no frogs or
other animals. And the entire surrounding bank was pockmarked by the
hoofprints of cattle, making the area very difficult to walk on.
Whatever nature had in mind for this pond certainly wasn't being
allowed to happen. Normally, I am very attracted to water, and feel
nothing but joy when I am around it. But here, I felt nothing but
sorrow and disgust.

Except for a few tiny spots that you haven't ruined, such as
the Bear Creek Trail, being in Briones is indistinguishable from being
on a ranch! There is no park there! It is completely dominated by man
and his domestic animals! The cows have destroyed vast areas of what
should be native flora and fauna. Their isobar-like trails dominate
all the hillsides. The vast majority of the native wildlife capable of
leaving have already left. Or died. A few animals able to "hold their
noses" and put up with the presence of a lot of people (such as deer)
are all that are left.

After 33 years of owning this land, you should have been able
to restore it to a semblance of its natural condition! Instead, it has
remained just as artificial, unattractive, and biologically
impoverished as every other place that is entirely dominated by
humans. Removing such obvious insults as cattle and mountain biking
should be easy. The hard part will be removing the huge network of
roads (I know -- you call them "trails"!), and the acres of exotic
plants and animals, that prevent this once-beautiful place from being
what it so desperately wants and needs to be.

Sincerely,

Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.

P.S. If you doubt the truth of what I am saying, just hike the Deer
Creek Trail, and then the Bear Creek Trail, and see if they feel
different to you!

References:

Foreman, Dave Confessions of an Eco-Warrior, New York: Harmony Books,
c. 1991

Knight, Richard L. and Kevin J. Gutzwiller, eds. Wildlife and
Recreationists. Covelo, California: Island Press, c.1995.

Liddle, Michael, Recreation Ecology. London: Chapman & Hall, c.1997.

Vandeman, Michael J., http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande, especially "
The Effects of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People -- Why Off-Road
Bicycling Should be Prohibited " and "Rethinking the Impacts of
Recreation".
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:28:06 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 20, 11:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> maguahi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> [...] Once again...are you
>> > making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
>> > know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
>> > a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
>> > Biker[...]
>>
>> You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
>> enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>I think you are right Tom...and besides the pleasure of being able to
>piss off Mikey.
>
>Once again Mike...you're response says NOTHING. Where's your brilliant
>articles...etc.? they don't exist. If they do...they copy other minds
>and not you're own...You are a sheep. Let's hear it. Better yet...the
>type of advocacy groups you support say a great deal about a person. I
>can almost guarentee you which ones you belong to.

Go on, continue hanging yourself.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 21, 8:51 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:28:06 -0800 (PST), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 20, 11:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> maguahi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> [...] Once again...are you
> >> > making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
> >> > know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
> >> > a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
> >> > Biker[...]
>
> >> You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
> >> enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.
>
> >> --
> >> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> >I think you are right Tom...and besides the pleasure of being able to
> >piss off Mikey.
>
> >Once again Mike...you're response says NOTHING. Where's your brilliant
> >articles...etc.? they don't exist. If they do...they copy other minds
> >and not you're own...You are a sheep.  Let's hear it. Better yet...the
> >type of advocacy groups you support say a great deal about a person. I
> >can almost guarentee you which ones you belong to.
>
> Go on, continue hanging yourself.

On the contrary, sounds like he's got the goods on you.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>January 6, 2001

What were the effects of your letter?

-Beej

* Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>:
> Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>January 6, 2001
>
> What were the effects of your letter?
>
> -Beej
>

The same as the rest of his letters and postings on usenet.

Jason

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:13:13 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 21, 8:51 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:28:06 -0800 (PST), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 20, 11:34 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> maguahi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> [...] Once again...are you
>> >> > making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
>> >> > know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
>> >> > a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
>> >> > Biker[...]
>>
>> >> You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
>> >> enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> >> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>
>> >I think you are right Tom...and besides the pleasure of being able to
>> >piss off Mikey.
>>
>> >Once again Mike...you're response says NOTHING. Where's your brilliant
>> >articles...etc.? they don't exist. If they do...they copy other minds
>> >and not you're own...You are a sheep.  Let's hear it. Better yet...the
>> >type of advocacy groups you support say a great deal about a person. I
>> >can almost guarentee you which ones you belong to.
>>
>> Go on, continue hanging yourself.
>
>On the contrary, sounds like he's got the goods on you.

Nope, without any SPECIFICS, it's obviously nothing but hot air.
Mountain bikers never give any SPECIFICS, because then it would be
obvious that they don't know what they are talking about.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:22:33 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>the site. LOL. You fraud.
>>
>> Mike got kicked out of the Sierra Club, rumor has it that he got the
>> boot because he showed an unhealthy obsession for the scrotums of
>> other members.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Yeah...I gotta admit. Even I am shocked at what I was informed about
>here...Mikey got ousted from the Sierra Club

More LIES. Mountain bikers are TRANSPARENT.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:02:26 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
<beej@beej.us> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>January 6, 2001
>
>What were the effects of your letter?

No races in their parks since then.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:34:19 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> maguahiker@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> [...] Once again...are you
>>> making up another lie...that I am a mt biker? Are you gonna pretend to
>>> know this about me? Yeah...because that is what liars do! and you are
>>> a first class DICK and liar. Just for your info...I am not a Mt.
>>> Biker[...]
>> You should consider taking up riding a bicycle off road, since it is an
>> enjoyable activity when done with some common sense.
>
> No, it isn't! I tried it once. It was the most unpleasant time I have
> ever spent in a park: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/ebrpd16. You
> have to be pretty damaged to enjoy mountain biking.[...]

Sheesh, even a complete "Barney" like myself on a relatively low end
bike (Trek 6000) can have fun.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful