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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Have you ever used a motor vehicle for travel? If so, you don't have a
>position for criticizing anyone.

Cool. So if you'll just list all the forms of transportation you've
ever used, we'll know which ones we can use without you criticizing us.
:)

-Beej

Beej Jorgensen wrote:
> Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Have you ever used a motor vehicle for travel? If so, you don't have
>> a position for criticizing anyone.
>
> Cool. So if you'll just list all the forms of transportation you've
> ever used, we'll know which ones we can use without you criticizing
> us. :)

Psst. Those who don't preach conservation while practicing selfish,
destructive things like flying or driving to bargain basement "scientific
conferences" can use any form of transportation they choose. Politicians,
celebrities and Dimestore Do(r)c are the hypocrites when they don't follow
their own admonitions to the common people. Just like Al Gore's 1970s-era
Gulfstream jet and humongous, wasteful mansion, they're inconvenient facts.

HTH!

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 04:55:15 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Have you ever used a motor vehicle for travel? If so, you don't have a
>>position for criticizing anyone.
>
>Cool. So if you'll just list all the forms of transportation you've
>ever used, we'll know which ones we can use without you criticizing us.
>:)
>
>-Beej

I knew you wouldn't tell the truth. QED
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>>
>> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
>> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>>
>> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
>> >> >> posts.
>>
>> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
>> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
>> >> >> >road.
>>
>> >> >> I don't own a car.
>>
>> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
>> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
>> >> >Walk?
>>
>> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>> >> are lots of others.
>>
>> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
>> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
>> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>>
>> >Next time take a sailboat.
>>
>> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
>> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
>> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
>> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
>> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>>
>> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
>> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
>> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
>> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
>> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>>
>> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
>> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>>
>> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>
>NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.

I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?

>YOU are the hypocrite for using a form of travel that is damaging to
>the planet when you could be going by SAILBOAT or using conference
>calling.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
times a day to a smaller audience.

If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
systems, then why not lead by example?

f.effigy@gmail.com wrote:
> It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> (video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> times a day to a smaller audience.
>
> If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> systems, then why not lead by example?

ROTFL Great stuff! ROTFL

On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>
> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>
> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
> >> >> >> posts.
>
> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
> >> >> >> >road.
>
> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>
> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
> >> >> >Walk?
>
> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
> >> >> are lots of others.
>
> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>
> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>
> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>
> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>
> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>
> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>
> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>
> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?


I drive them all the time but that doesn't make me a hypocrite because
I'm not speaking out against environmental damage like YOU DO.

I can drive, fly, burn raw gas in a barrel in my back yard, dump motor
oil down the sewer and or any number of things that damage the planet.
While some those actions may even be against the law, it would never
make me a hypocrite because I don't go making speaches at
international environmental conferences. It however makes you a liar
and a fake.

Only selfish people fly on jets when they could be taking a SAILBOAT.

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
news:47a7f9e5$0$4944$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> f.effigy@gmail.com wrote:
>> It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>> conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>> with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>> around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>> that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>> lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>> (video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>> size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>> many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>> times a day to a smaller audience.
>>
>> If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>> systems, then why not lead by example?
>
> ROTFL Great stuff! ROTFL
>

Pul-eeze.
He's a troll hiding behind an environmental banner.
He's got no real interest in the environment.
He's got no legitimate credentials.
He's done no legitimate research.

As millions of acres and the wilderness and wildlife thereon
are destroyed by mining and drilling and development
he rants about the destructive effects of eighteen inch wide
singletrack.

The only good example he'll make is when his remains become compost.
Until them he is quite useless.

Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I knew you wouldn't tell the truth. QED

Mike's quick on the dodge! What forms of transport do you use?

-Beej

On Feb 5, 11:02 am, "JP" <vze2w...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote in message
>
> news:47a7f9e5$0$4944$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > f.eff...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> >> conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> >> with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> >> around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> >> that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> >> lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> >> (video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> >> size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> >> many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> >> times a day to a smaller audience.
>
> >> If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> >> systems, then why not lead by example?
>
> > ROTFL  Great stuff!  ROTFL
>
> Pul-eeze.
> He's a troll hiding behind an environmental banner.
> He's got no real interest in the environment.
> He's got no legitimate credentials.
> He's done no legitimate research.
>
> As millions of acres and the wilderness and wildlife thereon
> are destroyed by mining and drilling and development
> he rants about the destructive effects of eighteen inch wide
> singletrack.
>
> The only good example he'll make is when his remains become compost.
> Until them he is quite useless.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That dirty bastard Mike Vanderman...I knew it all along. One of them
there hippo-crits!!!! lol...

No kidding...we all know Vandershitte talks nothing but figures...and
liars figure and figures lie...He's a liar. All his posts, still no
facts all opinions.

On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>
> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>
> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
> >> >> >> posts.
>
> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
> >> >> >> >road.
>
> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>
> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
> >> >> >Walk?
>
> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
> >> >> are lots of others.
>
> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>
> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>
> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>
> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>
> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>
> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>
> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>
> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?
>
> >YOU are the hypocrite for using a form of travel that is damaging to
> >the planet when you could be going by SAILBOAT or using conference
> >calling.
>
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mikey

If we wanted your expert opinion...we would ask it regarding your
specialty...what is that now besides being a true asshole...I believe
it is dietary? ? ?

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "f.effigy@gmail.com"
<f.effigy@gmail.com> wrote:

>It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>times a day to a smaller audience.
>
>If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>systems, then why not lead by example?

I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:52:09 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>>
>> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
>> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>>
>> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
>> >> >> >> posts.
>>
>> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
>> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
>> >> >> >> >road.
>>
>> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>>
>> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
>> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
>> >> >> >Walk?
>>
>> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>> >> >> are lots of others.
>>
>> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
>> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
>> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>>
>> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>>
>> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
>> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
>> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
>> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
>> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>>
>> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
>> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
>> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
>> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
>> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>>
>> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
>> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>>
>> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>>
>> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>>
>> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?
>
>
>I drive them all the time but that doesn't make me a hypocrite because
>I'm not speaking out against environmental damage like YOU DO.

So you are an environmental rapist, which is much worse than being a
hypocrite.

>I can drive, fly, burn raw gas in a barrel in my back yard, dump motor
>oil down the sewer and or any number of things that damage the planet.
>While some those actions may even be against the law, it would never
>make me a hypocrite because I don't go making speaches at
>international environmental conferences. It however makes you a liar
>and a fake.
>
>Only selfish people fly on jets when they could be taking a SAILBOAT.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:31:46 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>>
>> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
>> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>>
>> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
>> >> >> >> posts.
>>
>> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
>> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
>> >> >> >> >road.
>>
>> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>>
>> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
>> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
>> >> >> >Walk?
>>
>> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>> >> >> are lots of others.
>>
>> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
>> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
>> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>>
>> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>>
>> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
>> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
>> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
>> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
>> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>>
>> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
>> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
>> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
>> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
>> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>>
>> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
>> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>>
>> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>>
>> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>>
>> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?
>>
>> >YOU are the hypocrite for using a form of travel that is damaging to
>> >the planet when you could be going by SAILBOAT or using conference
>> >calling.
>>
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Mikey
>
>If we wanted your expert opinion...we would ask it regarding your
>specialty...what is that now besides being a true asshole...I believe
>it is dietary? ? ?

No, I'm an expert on everything, compared to you.
--
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:02:04 GMT, "JP" <vze2wx8p@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>news:47a7f9e5$0$4944$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> f.effigy@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>>> conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>>> with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>>> around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>>> that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>>> lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>>> (video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>>> size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>>> many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>>> times a day to a smaller audience.
>>>
>>> If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>>> systems, then why not lead by example?
>>
>> ROTFL Great stuff! ROTFL
>>
>
>Pul-eeze.
>He's a troll hiding behind an environmental banner.
>He's got no real interest in the environment.
>He's got no legitimate credentials.
>He's done no legitimate research.
>
>As millions of acres and the wilderness and wildlife thereon
>are destroyed by mining and drilling and development
>he rants about the destructive effects of eighteen inch wide
>singletrack.
>
>The only good example he'll make is when his remains become compost.
>Until them he is quite useless.

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 6, 8:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "f.eff...@gmail.com"
>
> <f.eff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> >conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> >with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> >around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> >that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> >lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> >(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> >size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> >many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> >times a day to a smaller audience.
>
> >If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> >systems, then why not lead by example?
>
> I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
> technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
> to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
> --

There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

On Feb 6, 8:13 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:52:09 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
> >> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>
> >> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
> >> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>
> >> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
> >> >> >> >> posts.
>
> >> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
> >> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
> >> >> >> >> >road.
>
> >> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>
> >> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
> >> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
> >> >> >> >Walk?
>
> >> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
> >> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
> >> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
> >> >> >> are lots of others.
>
> >> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
> >> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
> >> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>
> >> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>
> >> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
> >> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
> >> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
> >> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
> >> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>
> >> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
> >> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
> >> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
> >> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
> >> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>
> >> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
> >> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>
> >> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>
> >> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>
> >> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?
>
> >I drive them all the time but that doesn't make me a hypocrite because
> >I'm not speaking out against environmental damage like YOU DO.
>
> So you are an environmental rapist, which is much worse than being a
> hypocrite.
>
LIAR! I drive a Honda Insight which is one of the most environmently
friendly cars.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:04:33 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 6, 8:13 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:52:09 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 4, 11:58 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 3, 8:17 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:45:36 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Feb 3, 2:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:42 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> >> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Feb 1, 8:42 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:03:43 -0800 (PST), mike <mlawr...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Mike Vandeman;
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >I don't mean to sound like an ass, but what the hell does your ("pure
>> >> >> >> >> >habitat") have to do with my winter training?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Probably nothing. Ever hear of a "signature"? It's on every one of my
>> >> >> >> >> posts.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >If you ever get a chance, come up to Northern Ontario in the spring
>> >> >> >> >> >time and honk your car horn at the first moose you see on/near the
>> >> >> >> >> >road.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I don't own a car.
>>
>> >> >> >> >How do you get to the airport to attend "Lectures Given at
>> >> >> >> >International Environmental Conferences"?
>> >> >> >> >Walk?
>>
>> >> >> >> Interestingly, there are some airports that one can walk to. I walked
>> >> >> >> to the Adelaide, Australia airport from where I was staying.San
>> >> >> >> Diego's airport is within walking distance of downtown. I'm sure there
>> >> >> >> are lots of others.
>>
>> >> >> >Only greedy people who have no concern for the enviroment use air
>> >> >> >travel. They know full well that jets dump pollution directly in the
>> >> >> >upper troposphere and lower stratusphere.
>>
>> >> >> >Next time take a sailboat.
>>
>> >> >> >"By 2050, carbon-dioxide emissions from airliners are expected to grow
>> >> >> >two to 10 times the 1992 level, thanks to increasing air traffic,
>> >> >> >according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report co-
>> >> >> >authored byDr. Penner. By then, aircraft emissions will have risen to
>> >> >> >5 percent of the cause of global warming, IPCC says.
>>
>> >> >> >New research suggests the problem could be even bigger. "Contrails can
>> >> >> >be called a cause of warming and definitely need to be considered in
>> >> >> >climate-change models," says Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist
>> >> >> >at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., part of the National
>> >> >> >Aeronautics and Space Administration."
>>
>> >> >> >""Aviation's impact on the environment could be immense. Jet engines
>> >> >> >directly emit greenhouse gases by burning kerosene."
>>
>> >> >> Have you ever flown in an airplane, hypocrite?
>>
>> >> >NO, I never have so calling me a hypocrite is a LIE.
>>
>> >> I guess you've never ridden in a motor vehicle, huh, hypocrite?
>>
>> >I drive them all the time but that doesn't make me a hypocrite because
>> >I'm not speaking out against environmental damage like YOU DO.
>>
>> So you are an environmental rapist, which is much worse than being a
>> hypocrite.
>>
> LIAR! I drive a Honda Insight which is one of the most environmently
>friendly cars.

A car is still a car, and pollutes the air, pollutes the water,
depletes the ozone layer, causes global warming, and kills people and
animals on the road. People who actually care about the environment
don't own cars.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 6, 8:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "f.eff...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <f.eff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>> >conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>> >with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>> >around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>> >that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>> >lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>> >(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>> >size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>> >many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>> >times a day to a smaller audience.
>>
>> >If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>> >systems, then why not lead by example?
>>
>> I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
>> technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
>> to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
>> --
>
>There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 7, 8:10 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 6, 8:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "f.eff...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <f.eff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> >> >conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> >> >with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> >> >around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> >> >that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> >> >lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> >> >(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> >> >size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> >> >many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> >> >times a day to a smaller audience.
>
> >> >If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> >> >systems, then why not lead by example?
>
> >> I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
> >> technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
> >> to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
> >> --
>
> >There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!
>
> Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
> sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.
> --

Most public transportation uses internal combustion engines.