Mountain Bikers: "me-first spoiled brats"

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"[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Me-first-spoiled-brat?

Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, coming from you?




"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> "[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
> 'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
> use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
> of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Dec 6, 10:55 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> "[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
> 'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
> use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
> of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)


Mike,

Have you read Daniel G. Payne's "Voices in the Wilderness: American
Nature Writing and Environmental Politics"? In it he discusses how
nature writers like "John Muir and Rachel Carson were able effectively
and simultaneously to combine all three of the key rhetorical tasks -
to alert, to inform, and to persuade the reader - each of the writers
considered here made an invaluable contribution to the case for
environmental reform."

I highly recommend the book since I believe you overlook the
importance of PERSUADING the reader to see things your way.

Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net> wrote:
>I highly recommend the book since I believe you overlook the
>importance of PERSUADING the reader to see things your way.

Man, don't tell him the trick! He might get effective!

-Beej

"Beej Jorgensen" <beej@beej.us> wrote in message
news:fj9m6f$qoq$1@news.albasani.net...
> Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net> wrote:
>>I highly recommend the book since I believe you overlook the
>>importance of PERSUADING the reader to see things your way.
>
> Man, don't tell him the trick! He might get effective!
>
> -Beej


Not bloody likely.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:51:35 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>Me-first-spoiled-brat?
>
>Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, coming from you?

No, all I care about is protecting wildlife and people. That is
UN-selfish. Not that you would understand. After all, it uses words of
more than one syl-la-ble.

>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:6s6gl312cvutt0402fdu1cp9p3nkrqshbl@4ax.com...
>> "[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
>> 'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
>> use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
>> of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:43:22 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
wrote:

>On Dec 6, 10:55 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> "[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
>> 'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
>> use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
>> of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)
>
>
>Mike,
>
>Have you read Daniel G. Payne's "Voices in the Wilderness: American
>Nature Writing and Environmental Politics"? In it he discusses how
>nature writers like "John Muir and Rachel Carson were able effectively
>and simultaneously to combine all three of the key rhetorical tasks -
>to alert, to inform, and to persuade the reader - each of the writers
>considered here made an invaluable contribution to the case for
>environmental reform."
>
>I highly recommend the book since I believe you overlook the
>importance of PERSUADING the reader to see things your way.

Good point. I'm adding it to my reading list. You must be very
persuasive. :) Too bad you don't use that skill on something worth
while....
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Dec 7, 7:38 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:43:22 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 6, 10:55 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> "[Mountain bikers] personifies what John Muir referred to as Lord Man:
> >> 'there isn't much use in protecting open space unless you let people
> >> use it.' That's what is wrong with this whole selfish, myopic bunch
> >> of me-first spoiled brats." (a friend)
>
> >Mike,
>
> >Have you read Daniel G. Payne's "Voices in the Wilderness: American
> >Nature Writing and Environmental Politics"? In it he discusses how
> >nature writers like "John Muir and Rachel Carson were able effectively
> >and simultaneously to combine all three of the key rhetorical tasks -
> >to alert, to inform, and to persuade the reader - each of the writers
> >considered here made an invaluable contribution to the case for
> >environmental reform."
>
> >I highly recommend the book since I believe you overlook the
> >importance of PERSUADING the reader to see things your way.
>
> Good point. I'm adding it to my reading list. You must be very
> persuasive. :) Too bad you don't use that skill on something worth
> while....
> - Show quoted text -

You are welcomed.

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:4jpjl3hquduv6e63qcf3qnfogd1l5ablq3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:51:35 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Me-first-spoiled-brat?
>>
>>Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, coming from you?
>
> No, all I care about is protecting wildlife and people. That is
> UN-selfish. Not that you would understand. After all, it uses words of
> more than one syl-la-ble.
>

You only care about you. That's the definition of selfish.