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I am sorry about the shoe polish story. I used it with an associate from Madrid as a code word. We did not know that people would actually realy start to put it on their shoes.

I wasn't out of town working to restructure my work for 2008. I will organize a bike tour for kids from a childrenhome (from Cologne to the final Tour stage). My other associates (they have nothing to do with the cow blood deals, they drink beer :D ) will cover the final 10 days of the Tour, I will be at the Tour in the days before....

There will be a weblog with a daily diary of the Tour to Paris (with the kids) in German and English...


That sound like a rewarding venture as long as you test them daily for ped's :D
I wonder if cow blood mixed with Vodka would be called a bloody dairy or something.

CF:As far as wading through various rhetoric on this forum goes, I always dawn my hip waders before entering.

I wonder if cow blood mixed with Vodka would be called a bloody dairy or something.LOL:D So does that mean another name for straight cow blood is a "virgin dairy".

LOL:D So does that mean another name for straight cow blood is a "virgin dairy".


It's "udderly" possible.

I agree with your point - it much harder to recover even from the most innocuous of spills, as you get older.

I'd a fall six weeks ago - crashed "slowly" landed on my forearm/wrist.
Six weeks later, my wrist isn't fully healed.
So with age, it is harder to recover more quickly.Thanks guys. I am definately getting older.

Did you see a doctor after the fall? My problem was that the pain was somewhat tolerable and I perceived myself to be of a tough guy from coal country that didn't need a doctor. Turns out that this scaphoid injury is kind of sneaky. You slowly get better for a while and then it starts to degenerate with time. Eventually, you could lose function. My advice is to go for an x-ray if it hasn't gotten better in six weeks.

Thanks guys. I am definately getting older.

Did you see a doctor after the fall? My problem was that the pain was somewhat tolerable and I perceived myself to be of a tough guy from coal country that didn't need a doctor. Turns out that this scaphoid injury is kind of sneaky. You slowly get better for a while and then it starts to degenerate with time. Eventually, you could lose function. My advice is to go for an x-ray if it hasn't gotten better in six weeks.
Frigo - does it hurt when you're riding?

I don't race road bikes anymore. My main competitive sport is now ultra distance trail running. I am not feeling too elite at the moment. I recently DNSed at a 100 mile race when I contracted food poisoning two days before the start. There went a few hundred hours of training down the drain. :mad:That sucks. Sorry to hear it.

I ran two marathons in 1983 and 1984 and I can't imagine running one step farther than 26.2 miles. Mate, one hundred miles (150km for the Aussies) is just incredible. I couldn't do it.

Few years back my wife asked me to run a half-marathon with her and it was a miserable experience. It was raining really hard and my nipples bled through my white shirt. The salt on my legs foamed and then at 12 miles a 65 year old guy had a heart attack just in front of my. I quit running afterward because I figure the old guy was beating me when he fell over so I must really suck.

Have you ever considered riding Boston-Montreal-Boston (http://www.geocities.com/b-m-b/) or Paris-Brest-Paris (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/EN/)? They might be up your alley in your quest for suffering.

+1. That's one of the reasons why we cycle I suppose. But the flip-side of cycling being one of the gentlest sports on your joints is that if you fall off your bike onto pavement, its about as gentle as being tackled by six NFL linebackers at the same time wearing spandex without padding.

Good point - cycling is low impact, until you actually impact.

Certainly a prime reason I switched from MTB to road bike. Those knocks get harder to take after a few years. Hmmm... maybe HGH isn't such a bad idea after all, except it's also prime fuel for cancer cells. I guess we're farked no matter what we do.

Time to sip some fine bourbon and put it all in perspective.

Bro....I just realized something. The 100 miles is horizontal distance on your profile. Seems like you run a lot further if you count the vertical rises and falls. Or is it measured with a tread-wheel as the distance you actually run?Here you go, Cranky. A hundred in your neck of the woods. Cascade Crest in Easton, Washington.

Looks like a nice altitude profile.
http://www.cascadecrest100.com/images/courseprofile.jpg

Bro....I just realized something. The 100 miles is horizontal distance on your profile. Seems like you run a lot further if you count the vertical rises and falls. Or is it measured with a tread-wheel as the distance you actually run?
There's a good question. They used to measure courses with those measuring wheels you push along the ground. Now I think everything is measured with a GPS. But how accurate are GPSes when measuring steep trails? I have read that GPS vertical accuracy is considerably worse than the horizontal accuracy, and you would need the vertical measurement to get a good calculation of the actual path distance.

Have you ever considered riding Boston-Montreal-Boston (http://www.geocities.com/b-m-b/) or Paris-Brest-Paris (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/EN/)? They might be up your alley in your quest for suffering.
PBP sounds like it would be "fun." It would also require a serious amount of training time per week to do it well. I know a couple of people who have done the Furnace Creek 508 and they are serious mileage junkies. Above 350 miles per week or so I start feeling tired all the time.

Has anyone here done PBP or BMB? What was your training schedule like?

Thanks guys. I am definately getting older.

Did you see a doctor after the fall? My problem was that the pain was somewhat tolerable and I perceived myself to be of a tough guy from coal country that didn't need a doctor. Turns out that this scaphoid injury is kind of sneaky. You slowly get better for a while and then it starts to degenerate with time. Eventually, you could lose function. My advice is to go for an x-ray if it hasn't gotten better in six weeks.

I didn't go to the doctor - I did what all men do, I said "it will get better by itself".
And it has got better : put a bit of strapping in the location and bobs your uncle.
This may be folly - if it was a more serious injury, I would of course go to the doctor.

Everything is fine now.

The point that I was trying to make though was it takes longer to recover from a fall/injury, the older you get

Bro....I just realized something. The 100 miles is horizontal distance on your profile. Seems like you run a lot further if you count the vertical rises and falls. Or is it measured with a tread-wheel as the distance you actually run?

The vertical axis on Bro's chart is FEET, while the horizontal is MILES. That exagerates the climbing, which is fine, but you have to recognize that fact. If you were to graph with the same axes you'd see a basically flat chart. All those climbs do not add up to a lot of distance that isn't reflected in the horizontal.

I am still recovering from a crash coming off Burnt Mountain (http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/invitation/dashboard.mb?episodePk.pkValue=3948027) at nearly 40 mph on September 8th. I am very fortunate at this point with mainly shoulder pain and all the road rash has mostly healed. I had a lot of equipment damage as well, but the LBS has helped me a by replacing some items and repairing the damage at a very discounted price.


On the link if you pick the speed menu selection you can see the accident speed at the 12.5 mile mark. That is where I started racing down the mountain and lost it on a curve. Instead of going for the trees, I locked up the brakes to do an endo so I would not hit the trees. I busted the helmet, hit the back of my left shoulder and tore a lot of skin of my right glute and other places. My friends were surprised to see me back on the bike the following week. There is something about being stubborn, stupid and blessed. :) The x-rays showed no broken bones or dislocation in the shoulder, but I am using weights to rehab the shoulder. I also feel like 25 years of lifting may have helped on this accident because of my traps are fairly muscular and that was the main impact point.

I am still recovering from a crash coming off Burnt Mountain (http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/invitation/dashboard.mb?episodePk.pkValue=3948027) at nearly 40 mph on September 8th. I am very fortunate at this point with mainly shoulder pain and all the road rash has mostly healed. I had a lot of equipment damage as well, but the LBS has helped me a by replacing some items and repairing the damage at a very discounted price.


On the link if you pick the speed menu selection you can see the accident speed at the 12.5 mile mark. That is where I started racing down the mountain and lost it on a curve. Instead of going for the trees, I locked up the brakes to do an endo so I would not hit the trees. I busted the helmet, hit the back of my left shoulder and tore a lot of skin of my right glute and other places. My friends were surprised to see me back on the bike the following week. There is something about being stubborn, stupid and blessed. :) The x-rays showed no broken bones or dislocation in the shoulder, but I am using weights to rehab the shoulder. I also feel like 25 years of lifting may have helped on this accident because of my traps are fairly muscular and that was the main impact point.Good to see that the damage was not worse. You really Michael Rogered yourself. How did you lose it? Just came in too fast? Now we know another reason why Michael Rasmussen isn't the fastest descender in the peleton. If he had your crash (having no shoulder flesh at all) his arm might have ground off.

You made me want to go out and get a Garmin. Very good ride summary FWIW. I could even do a close-up on the satellite image and see the curve.

Hey Felt, I see you went back up to the top before turning your GPS off. How did you get home?

And also, there is no way my AHR would have been 130 going up that mountain, even if I had triple chainrings.

Hope you get back to full fitness soon.

Looks like you don't live that far from TFF.

Good to see that the damage was not worse. You really Michael Rogered yourself. How did you lose it? Just came in too fast? Now we know another reason why Michael Rasmussen isn't the fastest descender in the peleton. If he had your crash (having no shoulder flesh at all) his arm might have grinded off.
I spoke a bit too soon. My chiropractor just looked at shoulder and determined that I have some torn or strained ligaments at the top and the separation can be seen on the x-ray. I thought this may be this case since I can see the bone protruding a little on the top of the shoulder. Why my family doctor did pick this up on his x-rays I'm not sure.

You made me want to go out and get a Garmin. Very good ride summary FWIW. I could even do a close-up on the satellite image and see the curve.

Hey Felt, I see you went back up to the top before turning your GPS off. How did you get home? One of the guys trued the rear wheel a little and removed the brake pads so I could ride back to the summit and wait for them to pick me up. The rear wheel was ruined. The curve was a dangerous spot for me to wait since there were motorcycles and cars also racing down the hill.


Hope you get back to full fitness soon.

Looks like you don't live that far from TFF.
Thanks! I am able to continue to road ride, but mt. biking will delayed for a while.

TFF?

Oh dear!!???

oh oh, bringing out the big guns right now....

Hey how did you get that photo of me, Earth Seductress. You know I'm Tom's stunt double.oh oh, bringing out the big guns right now....

Actually...looking at it closer.....is that the guy who Klodifan hired before?

No we can't have our Patron, Klodifan, stalked by this cow blood nutter. It is a picture of me posing as Tom who was the guy that "earth dweller" hired.

BTW How do you import pictures and thumbnails that aren't off the web? I can only find a web address insert button.oh oh, bringing out the big guns right now....

"Fuentes used HSCB....."

Mmmm......I know of the Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation, HSBC. Maybe HSCB is "Hongkong & Shanghai Cow Blood"

There are dopers and dopees, but then there are also just plain dopes.