Saul Raisin will return to the peloton

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Holyfield is not the best example. He never had a lot of brain cells to start out with, so it is rather hard to discern natural stupidity from punch damage; but he is definitely someone who should not still be fighting. A lot of his fans wish he would give it up.

Boxing has given a lot of sad examples for what happens to people who get hit in the head too many times.Agreed. Yeah it is sad sometimes.

But there also is a tremendous temptation to get back in the ring when you have something of an interest factor still out there from the public, and your finances aren't going too well on the ex-boxer budget, and you can clear over a $$million from one fight.

If the public (at least enough of the public) are willing to pay to watch, you can't blame the middle aged has-been boxer from cashing in I suppose.

Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........

Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........That wouldn't be because Americans have won it 10 times and a Brit is yet to win a single TdF would it? Even Ireland has won it WBT. And Luxembourg has won it 4 times. What have you guys got in the water over there that negatively affects your sporting prowess relative to your population? Its pathological.

Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........
Are you a nationalist or what?

I am glad there are still a lot of Americans in the peloton. In fact I wish there would be more Africans, Chinese and riders from other continents and countries in the peloton. It would be good for the sport.

That would be good.... but less Americans would be better..... :p ...far less overacting of the Hamilton kind.......

Are you a nationalist or what?

I am glad there are still a lot of Americans in the peloton. In fact I wish there would be more Africans, Chinese and riders from other continents and countries in the peloton. It would be good for the sport.

That wouldn't be because Americans have won it 10 times and a Brit is yet to win a single TdF would it? Even Ireland has won it WBT. And Luxembourg has won it 4 times. What have you guys got in the water over there that negatively affects your sporting prowess relative to your population? Its pathological.We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.

Holyfield is not the best example. He never had a lot of brain cells to start out with, so it is rather hard to discern natural stupidity from punch damage; but he is definitely someone who should not still be fighting. A lot of his fans wish he would give it up.

Boxing has given a lot of sad examples for what happens to people who get hit in the head too many times.
The point was not about the intellect of Holyfield (perhaps you are right about him), but the point being a reversal of the sporting authority to allow him to fight.

Perhaps in the same manner there could be a possibility of a future reversal for Saul. I'm sure Saul fully comprehends the risks of continued racing.

We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.


I don't know it for a fact, but I would not testify for certain that McEwen, Evans etc never cheated.
I like to think there are clean riders in the peloton but I am definitely not sticking my head in the sand.

I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
many athletes/teams.
The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.

I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
many athletes/teams.
The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.And one of them was mainly due to special circumstances-home advantage, which hopefully will never be repeated.

We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.
Aside from McLaren and their record setting $100 million dollar fine in F1, eh? Maybe we can forgive them. I guess there is only so much ass kicking by Ferrari that a team can take. :p:D:p

I don't know it for a fact, but I would not testify for certain that McEwen, Evans etc never cheated.
I like to think there are clean riders in the peloton but I am definitely not sticking my head in the sand.Retract that implied calumny.
It is an established fact on this here forum that Brits and Aussies, due to innate and unique national characteristics, never stoop to cheating. Evans is definitely clean and Millar just made one little mistake. Besides, he was born in Malta, so he doesn't invalidate my basic thesis.

Aside from McLaren and their record setting $100 million dollar fine in F1, eh? Maybe we can forgive them. I guess there is only so much ass kicking by Ferrari that a team can take. :p:D:pMcLaren has got a dago driver diluting its ethnic purity, so that doesn't count either. Thank God he's history now.

I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
many athletes/teams.
The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003. Thinking about it, that's actually complete rubbish. Didn't we win The Ashes, thrashing a thinly populated country in a minority sport along the way?

thrashing a thinly populated country in a minority sport along the way? Help! I've just realised that also describes our only other significant success in RWC 2003.
I'll get me coat.

We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.
I get the sarcasm Gregers. I also agree Brits don't stoop to cheating. They can do it standing up with their chests out anf their chins raised. Aussies also don't stoop, they get down on their hands and knees and crawl around to cheat.

I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
many athletes/teams.
The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.Lim...don't go there. The Brit's sporting self esteem is hanging by a thin thread. I'm charitable enough to realize that it is rude to kick someone when they're lying down.

And FWIW, it wasn't an Aussie who was declaring that there should be less Yanks in the peleton.

Cycling benefits greatly from its promotion in USA. Just as most sports do.

But WBT, I can understand your girlie opinion of Tyler, when you have He-Men like Brad Wiggins and David - keep him out of the sun - Millar on your side.:p

I get the sarcasm Gregers. I also agree Brits don't stoop to cheating. They can do it standing up with their chests out anf their chins raised. Aussies also don't stoop, they get down on their hands and knees and crawl around to cheat.Sarcasm is a cutting remark intended to mock or wound, so it wasn't that. Try self-deprecation- a device customarily used by Brits. Of late its use has been something of a a necessity for us and it has little to do with our many sporting inadequacies. Rather, it is deployed in an ineffectual attempt to ward of the humiliation wrought upon us by our theologically inspired and deluded ex-leader who gave us much to be ashamed of. You remember him. The one who conspired to reduce our once sovereign nation to the level of an obedient, canine appendage of the U.S. and its small cabal of deranged warmongers. Or something like that.

Sarcasm is a cutting remark intended to mock or wound, so it wasn't that. Try self-deprecation- a device customarily used by Brits. Of late its use has been something of a a necessity for us and it has little to do with our many sporting inadequacies. Rather, it is deployed in an ineffectual attempt to ward of the humiliation wrought upon us by our theologically inspired and deluded ex-leader who gave us much to be ashamed of. You remember him. The one who conspired to reduce our once sovereign nation to the level of an obedient, canine appendage of the U.S. and its small cabal of deranged warmongers. Or something like that.
Correct point. And if there is one sport you can still annihilate Aussies and Yanks in...its mastery of your language and its subtleties.

But then again, we are specifically taught in schools in Australia to talk crassly, use bad syntax, mix metaphors, and generally project ourselves as literary idiots....just to irritate the POMS.:D

And the term "self-deprecating" has as much use in everyday Aussie speech as the word "cultured".

Correct point. And if there is one sport you can still annihilate Aussies and Yanks in...its mastery of your language and its subtleties.

But then again, we are specifically taught in schools in Australia to talk crassly, use bad syntax, mix metaphors, and generally project ourselves as literary idiots....just to irritate the POMS.:D

And the term "self-deprecating" has as much use in everyday Aussie speech as the word "cultured".Wrong. Colourful ocker-speak with its gloriously irreverent metaphors has, by and large, always entertained the Poms. Long ago, I recall that Bazza Mckenzie's inventive vulgarities were once disturbingly close to being trendy.
What really annoys we small minded pedants is the rising inflection, currently infiltrating and polluting the standard estuarial speech of our young and foolish wannabees. Now that is really grating.