Hilary Clinton

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Obama has yet to win an election where white people mattered.
He has won an election where the majority of the voters were black.Nothing nationally....

I have seen racism at all levels and every where in the country.But I deal with blue collar workers on a daily basis. Voters............ The cacuses showed us the majority of them could not stand Hilary, which I am surprised at. Because they liked Bill. But I have yet to talk to any of them that would vote for Obama. And these are the Democrats that vote.

McCain is the perfect canidate for the working Democrat. He is a war hero.That will be on their minds when the time comes............

But McCain seems to struggle to persuade the rightwingers in the Republican party.
From what I gather, they despise him to the extent that they were prepared to endorse Hillary Clinton instead of McCain!
Again though this is going on surveys.

But McCain seems to struggle to persuade the rightwingers in the Republican party.
From what I gather, they despise him to the extent that they were prepared to endorse Hillary Clinton instead of McCain!
Again though this is going on surveys.


Some of his policies have received disfavor with extreme conservatives. The bottom line is, from what I gather, no one is excited about either candidate.

The right wingers are unhappy with McCain.........But to cross over would be totally against what they believe.

Republicans rarely cross over. The swing vote is usually Democrats.It seems the battle will be won there.

The next interesting question will BE choice of VP. The Obama/Hilary ticket would be interesting.But I do not see it happening. On the day when a black guy secured the nomination for the first time, Hilary was still the story.I don't think Obama wants her to overshadow his show.

With McCain............His age. So a VP choice has to be correct to certain voters.

But McCain seems to struggle to persuade the rightwingers in the Republican party.
True. McCain has serious issues in that department. He never shored up his political base, and the base does not trust him on basic issues (to them) like gay marriage, campaign finance reform, global warming, immigration, etc. Normally a candidate will court his party's base to win the nomination then move to the center to appeal to swing voters. McCain is in a position where he needs still needs to shore up his base even as the election moves into the general phase. He may be forced to satisfy the right wingers, and to do that he will have to make statements that can be used by Obama to alienate him from the center.

Here is a snippet from a recent LA Times article:

"As the architect of Ohio's ballot measure against gay marriage, Phil Burress helped draw thousands of conservative voters to the polls in 2004, most of whom also cast ballots to reelect President Bush. So Burress was not surprised when two high-level staffers from John McCain's campaign dropped by his office, asking for his help this fall.

What surprised Burress was how badly the meeting went. He says he tried but failed to make the McCain team understand how much work remained to overcome the skepticism of social conservatives. Burress ended up cutting off the campaign officials as they spoke. "He doesn't want to associate with us," Burress now says of McCain, "and we don't want to associate with him.""

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ohio9-2008jun09,0,1838453.story

The right wingers are unhappy with McCain.........But to cross over would be totally against what they believe.

Republicans rarely cross over. The swing vote is usually Democrats.It seems the battle will be won there.

The next interesting question will BE choice of VP. The Obama/Hilary ticket would be interesting.But I do not see it happening. On the day when a black guy secured the nomination for the first time, Hilary was still the story.I don't think Obama wants her to overshadow his show.

With McCain............His age. So a VP choice has to be correct to certain voters.
True
In the minds of many conservatives there were 3 democrats in the running and now just 2. :D

McCain is the perfect canidate for the working Democrat. He is a war hero.That will be on their minds when the time comes............
What will be on their minds when they vote is either that they have lost their jobs or are in fear of losing their jobs, and lots of middle class people will be sharing those same problems and fears. Military and foreign policy issues are something to be considered when the economy is good. When it's bad what is considered is how they affect the country's fortunes. It looks like it could be 1992 all over again. "It's the economy, Stupid," as Bill Clinton said. McCain is on record saying he doesn't know much about the economy.

Obama has yet to win an election where white people mattered.
He has won an election where the majority of the voters were black.Nothing nationally....

He crushed Hillary (70%-30% or thereabouts) in the Washington State primary and Washington has a low African American percentage population compared to the rest of the nation (Tonyzackery might confirm this).

I don't know if you are counting Dem primaries... but if you aren't... then there is nothing but Illinois to go on.

Here is a snippet from a recent LA Times article:

"As the architect of Ohio's ballot measure against gay marriage, Phil Burress helped draw thousands of conservative voters to the polls in 2004, most of whom also cast ballots to reelect President Bush. So Burress was not surprised when two high-level staffers from John McCain's campaign dropped by his office, asking for his help this fall.

What surprised Burress was how badly the meeting went. He says he tried but failed to make the McCain team understand how much work remained to overcome the skepticism of social conservatives. Burress ended up cutting off the campaign officials as they spoke. "He doesn't want to associate with us," Burress now says of McCain, "and we don't want to associate with him.""

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ohio9-2008jun09,0,1838453.storyI'm starting to like McCain more and more, though I think a lot of his independent stances are, at least partially, stage shows.

I'm not sure he alienated a vast swathe of right-wingers, Wolfy, considering that he smoked most of the primary battles.

One the one hand you have Barack Obama and, for me at least, I have no real idea about his policies except that of Iraq. These are examples of what Obama is saying about Bush, McCain, and the economy while on the stump:

But when it comes to the economy, John McCain and I have a fundamentally different vision of where to take the country. Because for all his talk of independence, the centerpiece of his economic plan amounts to a full-throated endorsement of George Bush’s policies. He says we’ve made "great progress" in our economy these past eight years. He calls himself a fiscal conservative and on the campaign trail he’s passionate critic of government spending, and yet he has no problem spending hundreds of billions of dollars on tax breaks for big corporations and a permanent occupation of Iraq – policies that have left our children with a mountain of debt. George Bush’s policies have taken us from a projected $5.6 trillion dollar surplus at the end of the Clinton Administration to massive deficits and nearly four trillion dollars in new debt today.



We were promised a fiscal conservative. Instead, we got the most fiscally irresponsible administration in history. And now John McCain wants to give us another. Well we’ve been there once, and we’re not going back. It’s time to move this country forward.



John McCain takes great pride in saying that he’s a fiscal conservative, and he’s already signaled that he will try to define me with the same old tax-and-spend label that his side has been throwing around for decades. But let’s look at the facts.

John McCain once said that he couldn’t vote for the Bush tax breaks in good conscience because they were too skewed to the wealthiest Americans. Later, he said it was irresponsible to cut taxes during a time of war because we simply couldn’t afford them. Well, nothing’s changed about the war, but something’s certainly changed about John McCain, because these same Bush tax cuts are now his central economic policy. Not only that, but he is now calling for a new round of tax giveaways that are twice as expensive as the original Bush plan and nearly twice as regressive. His policy will spend nearly $2 trillion on tax breaks for corporations, including $1.2 billion for Exxon alone, a company that just recorded the highest profits in history.
Think about that. At a time when we’re fighting two wars, when millions of Americans can’t afford their medical bills or their tuition bills, when we’re paying more than $4 a gallon for gas, the man who rails against government spending wants to spend $1.2 billion on a tax break for Exxon Mobil. That isn’t just irresponsible. It’s outrageous.

If John McCain’s policies were implemented, they would add $5.7 trillion to the national debt over the next decade. That isn’t fiscal conservatism, that’s what George Bush has done over the last eight years. Not only can working families not afford it, future generations can’t afford it. And we can’t allow it to happen in this election.



Finally, we need to help those Americans who find themselves in a debt spiral climb out. Since so many who are struggling to keep up with their mortgages are now shifting their debt to credit cards, we have to make sure that credit cards don’t become the next stage in the housing crisis. To make sure that Americans know what they’re signing up for, I’ll institute a five-star rating system to inform consumers about the level of risk involved in every credit card. And we’ll establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights that will ban unilateral changes to credit card agreements; ban rate hikes on debt you already had; and ban interest charges on late fees. Americans need to pay what they owe, but you should pay what’s fair, not just what fattens profits for some credit card company and they can get away with.

The same principle should apply to our bankruptcy laws. When I first arrived in the Senate, I opposed the credit card industry’s bankruptcy bill that made it harder for working families to climb out of debt. John McCain supported that bill – and he even opposed exempting families who were only in bankruptcy because of medical expenses they couldn’t pay.

When I’m President, we’ll reform our bankruptcy laws so that we give Americans who find themselves in debt a second chance. We’ll make sure that if you can demonstrate that you went bankrupt because of medical expenses, you can relieve that debt and get back on your feet. And I’ll make sure that CEOs can’t dump your pension with one hand while they collect a bonus with the other. That’s an outrage, and it’s time we had a President who knows it’s an outrage.

He's good at getting to the crux of the issues... which is a welcome change from the mind-boggling crap we have had to listen to for the last seven and a half years from the Bush Administration.

But I think he spun the reduced tax on Exxon as a government expense... lowering taxes is not equivalent to increasing spending. It might be in net dollar terms... but it isn't the same in principle.

Before being elected to the US senate, Obama was an Illinois State senator from the 13th district. I happen to live there, and most of the faces I see are white. You cannot say he only won due to the racial makeup of the communities he represented. It's mostly white, and much of it is very well off.