Hilary Clinton

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Well, it looks like Hilary conceded.
No she didn't. Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. She did everything she could to steal Obama's moment.

Now the word is she will concede, or maybe just suspend her campaign, on Friday or Saturday.

No she didn't. Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. She did everything she could to steal Obama's moment.

Now the word is she will concede, or maybe just suspend her campaign, on Friday or Saturday.


Saturday, I hear she will unify the party single handed. :rolleyes:

No she didn't. Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. She did everything she could to steal Obama's moment.

Now the word is she will concede, or maybe just suspend her campaign, on Friday or Saturday. In that case, giving her the VP would be a big mistake. She will be trying to steal the limelight to herself all the time during campaigning.

In that case, giving her the VP would be a big mistake. She will be trying to steal the limelight to herself all the time during campaigning.


She would be too agressive as a VP and try to be in charge imo, also Obama advertises "change" as a key element of his platform. Clinton is viewed as old school (old Washington politics) and might be viewed as 180 degress opposite to this.

In that case, giving her the VP would be a big mistake. She will be trying to steal the limelight to herself all the time during campaigning.I'm with TDL. No way. She has already shown that she is willing to sacrifice the good of the party for her own agenda. Obama is basically telling us "No way" by his talk about everyone calmng down. The only chance she has IMO - is if she can get the support of the Dem party "mafia"... who she probably has on speed-dial.

She would be too agressive as a VP and try to be in charge imo...
Chaney?

There was an article on the BBC news website about Clintons defeat, saying how it showed that America wasn't yet ready for a female president. I think that's complete crap, and perhaps a tad insulting to Americans. I think they're ready for an female president, they're just not ready to let Clinton ru(i)n their country. Damn good choice.

Looks like the odds of Clinton as running mate are going up. I don't think he wants it... but may be forced into it to maximise his election chances.

Can you imagine him as President, asking VP Hillary for a meeting to consult on an issue... and Hillary would be like... "Can I bring my husband to the meeting... he has had some experience on this" and Obama would be like .... http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/rolleye/rolleye0014.gif (http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/rolleye-smilies/#)

What the primary has shown is that the Clintons, who spent the early part of their poltical careers pretending to be the best friends of blacks, jumped at the opportunity to fan the flames of racism as soon as it would benefit themselves. Bill Clinton himself is reportedly angry as hell about Obama. People have related stories about Bill ranting at length about how he cannot understand how this "kid" is winning.

This "white privilege" stuff is a load. There is no conspiracy of whites where they get together to plan how to keep the black man down. Money means everything in the U.S. In general people don't care what color the man is who gives them financial advantage. Fears about how a candidate will affect the personal fortunes of each voter form the basis of most people's opposition to a particular candidate. Once opposition is set, things get nasty, and that often means the lower classes will express themselves in racist terms. It is misleading to tar the whole country based on the opinions and actions of what is currently a completely discredited segment of society.

Racism on a macro level in the U.S. is just a bunch of unscrupulous politicians, talking heads, pundits, and activists who manipulate those who harbor rascist tendencies to accomplish their goals. On the other hand there are a similar group of people who appeal to people's better inclinations and cry crocodile tears over people's baser feelings to accomplish their goals. The two sides are in opposition, but the appeal to racism has been steadily losing effectiveness with every generation.
As I can readily distinguish, you are not Black, so I can understand from where your viewpoint may come. However, as being an American Black man living in Canada at the present time, I deal with the auspices of racism first hand, on a daily basis, in both my professional and private life.

With regard to your comment concerning a "conspiracy", there is a conspiracy - it's not down to the individual level, I grant you that - but on a global level, yes, there is a concerted effort on the part of the majority to keep the obvious minority in it a disenfranchised state as it maintains the status quo.

You have your opinion, and I have mine....

As I can readily distinguish, you are not Black, so I can understand from where your viewpoint may come. However, as being an American Black man living in Canada at the present time, I deal with the auspices of racism first hand, on a daily basis, in both my professional and private life.

With regard to your comment concerning a "conspiracy", there is a conspiracy - it's not down to the individual level, I grant you that - but on a global level, yes, there is a concerted effort on the part of the majority to keep the obvious minority in it a disenfranchised state as it maintains the status quo.

You have your opinion, and I have mine....Yes... that is why Obama is one step away from being the most powerful man in the world. Your whole view of the world could be shattered come November.

As I can readily distinguish, you are not Black, so I can understand from where your viewpoint may come. However, as being an American Black man living in Canada at the present time, I deal with the auspices of racism first hand, on a daily basis, in both my professional and private life.

With regard to your comment concerning a "conspiracy", there is a conspiracy - it's not down to the individual level, I grant you that - but on a global level, yes, there is a concerted effort on the part of the majority to keep the obvious minority in it a disenfranchised state as it maintains the status quo.

You have your opinion, and I have mine....

I agree racism is alive and running strong here in America among the blue collar whites. {The biggest voting block the Democrats have on election day} I will argue the "conspiracy" part. I think your thoughts could be reversed. I see more of an individual part in racism. Not a organized process, but one based on individual thoughts and actions.And my opinion is that the individual is more damaging.

My prediction for this election will show how deep it is. I feel Obama will lose by a great margin............ He will be defeated by the Democratic voter. Once that curtain is closed at the booth, we will see America's true thoughts.

The caucus's were filled with "Birkenstockers", and college students. On election day they become a very small block of voters.There is nothing more racist then a Democratic blue collar worker.

America has a long way to go.....

I agree racism is alive and running strong here in America among the blue collar whites. {The biggest voting block the Democrats have on election day} I will argue the "conspiracy" part. I think your thoughts could be reversed. I see more of an individual part in racism. Not a organized process, but one based on individual thoughts and actions.And my opinion is that the individual is more damaging.

My prediction for this election will show how deep it is. I feel Obama will lose by a great margin............ He will be defeated by the Democratic voter. Once that curtain is closed at the booth, we will see America's true thoughts.

The caucus's were filled with "Birkenstockers", and college students. On election day they become a very small block of voters.There is nothing more racist then a Democratic blue collar worker.

America has a long way to go.....Democratic swing voters elected Ronald Reagan in 1980. He beat a white guy who, incidentally, was also a cocky changemonger. God bless independent thought.

Let's not forget that Barack Obama is a freshman senator and is one of the most liberal members of Congress.

Let's not let the far left guilt us into voting for the wrong guy.

My prediction for this election will show how deep it is. I feel Obama will lose by a great margin............ He will be defeated by the Democratic voter. Once that curtain is closed at the booth, we will see America's true thoughts.

The caucus's were filled with "Birkenstockers", and college students. On election day they become a very small block of voters.There is nothing more racist then a Democratic blue collar worker.
You are the one who said Clinton would win the nomination by a large margin and not be bothered at all by Obama.

If Obama gets over the issues with his church, he will win in November. When Obama and McCain meet in debate or at a town hall meeting, Obama will hold his own against McCain. That will dissipate the idea that Obama is weaker than McCain on foreign policy and national security. Given Obama's talents and McCain's less than articulate communication style, I would not be surprised if McCain ends up being weakened on such issues even as Obama is strengthened.

I think you are misreading this election year. Bush has done incalcuable damage to the Republican party. Wait until gas goes to $5, retail industry falls off a cliff, and/or mass layoffs start. McCain is being portrayed as Bush 3.0. People who probably would not vote for a black man in ordinary circumstances will vote for Obama because of legitimate fears that Bush's policies will be continued. The Dem primary turnout and the special elections that have been held point to massive problems for the Republicans. Even Newt Gingrich has pointed this out, and that was before the Repubs lost the Congressional seat in Mississippi's special election, a district that Bush carried by 25 points in 2004 and the Republican party poured tons of money into this year.

I was talking to a guy the other day, who was not too keen about Obama but as he put it, "It doesn't matter if he [Obama] gives every black man in the country a free Cadillac. It will still be cheaper than this stupid war."

Let's not forget that Barack Obama is a freshman senator and is one of the most liberal members of Congress.
Watch Obama drive hard for the center now that he has the nomination in hand, and watch him relentlessly hammer McCain for Bush's sins. McCain is not helping himself with his recent support for Bush policies like warrantless wiretapping, immunity for telcos, and torture.

However, as being an American Black man living in Canada at the present time, I deal with the auspices of racism first hand, on a daily basis, in both my professional and private life.
If you are dealing with racism on a daily basis then you really need to move and/or change professions.

I'm with Cranky on this. It will be great when Obama becomes president because it will cut down the excuses and whinging by those who use the past to explain their failures in the present. The Irish and the Catholics did not think they had truly made it in America until JFK was elected.

You are the one who said Clinton would win the nomination by a large margin and not be bothered at all by Obama.

If Obama gets over the issues with his church, he will win in November. When Obama and McCain meet in debate or at a town hall meeting, Obama will hold his own against McCain. That will dissipate the idea that Obama is weaker than McCain on foreign policy and national security. Given Obama's talents and McCain's less than articulate communication style, I would not be surprised if McCain ends up being weakened on such issues even as Obama is strengthened.

I think you are misreading this election year. Bush has done incalcuable damage to the Republican party. Wait until gas goes to $5, retail industry falls off a cliff, and/or mass layoffs start. McCain is being portrayed as Bush 3.0. People who probably would not vote for a black man in ordinary circumstances will vote for Obama because of legitimate fears that Bush's policies will be continued. The Dem primary turnout and the special elections that have been held point to massive problems for the Republicans. Even Newt Gingrich has pointed this out, and that was before the Repubs lost the Congressional seat in Mississippi's special election, a district that Bush carried by 25 points in 2004 and the Republican party poured tons of money into this year.

I was talking to a guy the other day, who was not too keen about Obama but as he put it, "It doesn't matter if he [Obama] gives every black man in the country a free Cadillac. It will still be cheaper than this stupid war."I'm kinda somewhere between Wolfy and Bro in predicting what will happen. I agree with Wolfy that racism still exists on an individual level in segments of the population (in all races)... rather than the huge secret society-like conspiracy... that TZ alludes to... and I agreee that Bush's reign is McCain's biggest obstacle. But I noticed that Hillary mentioned that 18 million people supported her in the Dem primaries. That aint much people. If you assume that the Dem battle was a huge one and drew out voters in big numbers... and you assume that Obama drew the same number of votes approximately... that's only 36 million voters (IF he gets all of Hillary's votes which he won't).

I think Obama suffers because McCain is just maverick enough (but with the aura of "experience")... and non-Washington enough to steal some of his "change" platform... despite his backing of Bush's policies. I think Obama's strength is that he is smart... and says all the right things charismatically... and nails everything that has been wrong with the last eight years of propaganda. But the elderly (who are a huge faction of the voting public.... esp. considering the baby boomer bubble)... will tend towards McCain IMO. This is not 1960... when the young baby boomers probably helped JFK. (Post edit - I just worked out that in 1960 - the oldest baby boomer was 14 years old - so forget the last point)

I think it's going to be close.... and could come down to what McCain has up his sleeve in the form of Rove-style mud on Obama... and whether McCain puts his foot in his mouth with some stupid comment and/or loses his temper. I've got a hunch it might be a McCain Presidency.. coupled with a Dem congress.

Just 2c from someone who has followed US politics for a long time but only lived here 7 years.... so I don't have everyone else's experience.

I'm kinda somewhere between Wolfy and Bro in predicting what will happen. I agree with Wolfy that racism still exists on an individual level in segments of the population (in all races)... rather than the huge secret society-like conspiracy... that TZ alludes to... and I agreee that Bush's reign is McCain's biggest obstacle. But I noticed that Hillary mentioned that 18 million people supported her in the Dem primaries. That aint much people. If you assume that the Dem battle was a huge one and drew out voters in big numbers... and you assume that Obama drew the same number of votes approximately... that's only 36 million voters (IF he gets all of Hillary's votes which he won't).

I think Obama suffers because McCain is just maverick enough (but with the aura of "experience")... and non-Washington enough to steal some of his "change" platform... despite his backing of Bush's policies. I think Obama's strength is that he is smart... and says all the right things charismatically... and nails everything that has been wrong with the last eight years of propaganda. But the elderly (who are a huge faction of the voting public.... esp. considering the baby boomer bubble)... will tend towards McCain IMO. This is not 1960... when the young baby boomers probably helped JFK. (Post edit - I just worked out that in 1960 - the oldest baby boomer was 14 years old - so forget the last point)

I think it's going to be close.... and could come down to what McCain has up his sleeve in the form of Rove-style mud on Obama... and whether McCain puts his foot in his mouth with some stupid comment and/or loses his temper. I've got a hunch it might be a McCain Presidency.. coupled with a Dem congress.

Just 2c from someone who has followed US politics for a long time but only lived here 7 years.... so I don't have everyone else's experience.
To reiterate a point I made in a previous post, I am not predicting Obama will win. I think it's possible and, at this point, even likely. What I dispute is the point that Wolfix and Tony Z. seem to be making that Obama winning is impossible and that racists will pour out the woodwork to prevent him from winning.

In some ways Obama's race will help him. McCain will be forced to walk through a mine field as he tries to criticize Obama without making it racial. The mainstream media, which is very politically correct, will be waiting to jump on him when he makes a mistake.

I ran into something pretty funny the other day. There is a pic of Bush and McCain celebrating McCain's birthday that was taken on the same day as Katrina hit. You really cannot make this shit up. Someone photoshopped a version with the caption "Let them eat cake."

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2418/2488817014_7abaffa0db.jpg?v=0

To reiterate a point I made in a previous post, I am not predicting Obama will win. I think it's possible and, at this point, even likely. What I dispute is the point that Wolfix and Tony Z. seem to be making that Obama winning is impossible and that racists will pour out the woodwork to prevent him from winning.

In some ways Obama's race will help him. McCain will be forced to walk through a mine field as he tries to criticize Obama without making it racial. The mainstream media, which is very politically correct, will be waiting to jump on him when he makes a mistake.

I ran into something pretty funny the other day. There is a pic of Bush and McCain celebrating McCain's birthday that was taken on the same day as Katrina hit. You really cannot make this shit up. Someone photoshopped a version with the caption "Let them eat cake."

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2418/2488817014_7abaffa0db.jpg?v=0I agree.

And you can't make that shit up... http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0170.gif (http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy-smilies/10/#)

You are the one who said Clinton would win the nomination by a large margin and not be bothered at all by Obama.

If Obama gets over the issues with his church, he will win in November. When Obama and McCain meet in debate or at a town hall meeting, Obama will hold his own against McCain. That will dissipate the idea that Obama is weaker than McCain on foreign policy and national security. Given Obama's talents and McCain's less than articulate communication style, I would not be surprised if McCain ends up being weakened on such issues even as Obama is strengthened.

I think you are misreading this election year. Bush has done incalcuable damage to the Republican party. Wait until gas goes to $5, retail industry falls off a cliff, and/or mass layoffs start. McCain is being portrayed as Bush 3.0. People who probably would not vote for a black man in ordinary circumstances will vote for Obama because of legitimate fears that Bush's policies will be continued. The Dem primary turnout and the special elections that have been held point to massive problems for the Republicans. Even Newt Gingrich has pointed this out, and that was before the Repubs lost the Congressional seat in Mississippi's special election, a district that Bush carried by 25 points in 2004 and the Republican party poured tons of money into this year.

I was talking to a guy the other day, who was not too keen about Obama but as he put it, "It doesn't matter if he [Obama] gives every black man in the country a free Cadillac. It will still be cheaper than this stupid war."

i think that the contest with be very close as you say.
It is a very hard one to call.

One the one hand you have Barack Obama and, for me at least, I have no real idea about his policies except that of Iraq.
On the other hand you have McCain, who like Obama, doesn't appear to have any definitive policies except to say the he "won't be Bush II"

As an outsider, I am encouraged when I hear McCain talk about multilaterialism in terms of foreign policy.
But then we heard the same stuff about "compassionate conservatism" and look where that has got America.

If you are dealing with racism on a daily basis then you really need to move and/or change professions.

I'm with Cranky on this. It will be great when Obama becomes president because it will cut down the excuses and whinging by those who use the past to explain their failures in the present. The Irish and the Catholics did not think they had truly made it in America until JFK was elected.
Obama has yet to win an election where white people mattered.
He has won an election where the majority of the voters were black.Nothing nationally....

I have seen racism at all levels and every where in the country.But I deal with blue collar workers on a daily basis. Voters............ The cacuses showed us the majority of them could not stand Hilary, which I am surprised at. Because they liked Bill. But I have yet to talk to any of them that would vote for Obama. And these are the Democrats that vote.

McCain is the perfect canidate for the working Democrat. He is a war hero.That will be on their minds when the time comes............