Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism

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Even discussing this is ridiculous. It is reaching to blame Bush for something that was being planned long before he was elected. He was in office for only 9 months when 9-11 occurred. Since this planning began before Bush was elected, then Clinton would have to have been involved...... It gets ridiculous.

But let's look at 9-11 from the viewpoint of the administration that was in power when war was declared upon the US.... And 9-11 was declared war....
We elected this man to be president, to represent the American people and to protect the American people. On 9-11 it was clear cut we had enemies that wanted our destruction. One of the problems we had was identifying the enemies nationality.....
So the next step was attacking the breeding grounds of terrorism. The move into Afganastan was done correctly, but I think it was wrong to not keep a larger force there to stabilize the region more.
Iraq...... The majority of the people in America do not think it was a mistake to topple Saddam. The problem American's have with Iraq is that we have not seen progress. More pressure needs to be put on Iraqians[?] to take over the power structure there.
The idea we attacked Iraq for oil is something that people who hang out in coffee shops pounding on their laptops want to believe. If you look at the cost of war, we could have bought the oil many times over.
This administration has made mistakes. However, the people in America want to have the same feeling of safety that we had before 9-11. And we will elect another guy next time that promises to protect us.

We all need to adopt a larger perspective if we are going to survive as a species on this planet. One of our biggest hurdles is our tendency to identify with our family, tribe, nieghborhood, pro sports team, race, nation... It is a somewhat more evolved point of view to identify with your nation rather than your local football team, but come on we need to think bigger than that! Everyone on the planet feels their behavior is justified, even those we call terrorists. The reason people do the things they do is because they feel it is justified. That is not a hard concept to grasp. People resort to terrorism because they think that that is the best way to be heard. If we as a nation would respect the viewpoints of others, and listen to and acknowledge their problems, then they would not feel desperate enough to resort to terrorism. We no longer have the luxury of thinking that: economic exploitation in Sri Lanka is not our problem, poverty in Africa not our problem, no air conditioning in the summer in Iraq is not our problem... When the have nots see the disparity between them and the haves, and want to talk about it, we say it's not our problem. We no longer have that luxury folks. We need to replace nationalism with a larger world view.

The use of the word racism is so over used that it really has stopped being effective today. Nationalism is entirely different, but the two can be tied to each other.
I see nothing wrong with nationalism. I believe in taking care of your own first. But let'd be real about this.... The USA is dependent on immigration. The anti-illegal immigration movement is this country {USA} smacks more of racism then it does of nationalism .
The same people that scream that they want illegal immigration stopped are the same people that line up to purchase the services of illegal immigrants. They want the services, they just don't want to see "dirty Mexicans" providing it. I have seen this so often it makes me want to laugh.

Personally I think the labor unions need to start organizing the legal immigrants.
Unregulated immigration under-cuts the job base for less educated individuals. I will not say who these people are, suffice it to say that the democratric party has a higher concentration of constituents holding graduate degree's than the opposing party. It is interesting to note that most of the people in my area I see utilizing immigrants in their workforce appear to be people in pickups w/ Bush bumper stickers on them or large companies who pay slave wages :confused: I say fine any person who employs an illegal ;)

The average Democrat is not as well educated , nor has the income base, nor net worth of the average Republican in this country.....

A large part of the Democratic voting block is in your ghetto's .... Explain how they are educated or have great jobs.

The business people in this country lean strongly to the right.

You may have a select group of universty people who vote Democratic who have degrees, but they are a very select group.

As far as people using illegal immigrants in this country, a good portion are contractors. I was one for 20 years and I can tell you that they are Bush supporters. And I can tell you why they use the Mexicans...they show up for work, they are more honest, and the jobs get done.

I live in a extremly diverse town. Since the immigrants have came here they have improved this town. My town has always had a minority population, but it was never a force in the makeup of the business community. We recently had a mass movement of Bosnians and Mexicans move here. New businesses are popping up all over. Older housing is being renovated. They create jobs.

As far as people using illegal immigrants in this country, a good portion are contractors. I was one for 20 years and I can tell you that they are Bush supporters. And I can tell you why they use the Mexicans...they show up for work, they are more honest, and the jobs get done.
It has nothing to do w/ the fact that they work for less & taxes (that evil boogeyman of the republican party) are not paid when cash is used :confused: Riiiight :rolleyes:

It has nothing to do w/ the fact that they work for less & taxes (that evil boogeyman of the republican party) are not paid when cash is used :confused: Riiiight :rolleyes:
They are not paid less and most contractors do not pay cash. They are paying taxes and SS that they will never recieve the benefits from..

I worked a development jobsite this summer and came home with a new respect for immigrant workers. They were there everyday and stayed late. The American contractors were running around and trying to look busy. I was embarressed for my fellow tradesmen. .

They are not paid less and most contractors do not pay cash. They are paying taxes and SS that they will never recieve the benefits from..

I worked a development jobsite this summer and came home with a new respect for immigrant workers. They were there everyday and stayed late. The American contractors were running around and trying to look busy. I was embarressed for my fellow tradesmen. .
That may very well be true in your area/situation. However, larger labor-pool generally = reduced wages.

I can't figure how come Bush rushed out in his pyjamas when America came under attack.Excuse me? He was reading "My Pet Goat" to a room of elementary school kids when America came under attack. He continued to do so for what, 10 minutes, while the attacks went on.

If he already knew the attack was going to happen, how come he didn't hide in his bunker before the planes were heading in his direction?
Because he knew he wasn't going to be attacked. The Secret Service also apparently knew it, which is why they did not immediately rush him out of the school to safety for quite awhile, all contrary to their duty to any president when there is a possibility of harm coming to him.

Please, don't try to pretend that you haven't known these facts. :rolleyes:

Racism is when you look down on other people or consider other people inferior just because they're dark-skinned or have oriental features e.t.c. From Webster's:

Main Entry: rac·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?racism01.wav=racism'))
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) prejudice or discrimination


Is that not what bluetrain was saying with his ridiculous characterization of Palestinians? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "brown" people?

Is that not what cdpatten was saying with his ridiculous slur against the Irish? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "white" people?

Where I come from, that kind of talk is considered racism, not merely nationalism - especially given the context that both remarks were made.

From Webster's:

Main Entry: rac·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<img%20src=&quot;images/smilies/tongue.gif&quot;%20border=&quot;0&quot;%20alt=&quot;&quot;%20title=&quot;stick%20out%20tongue&quot;%20smilieid=&quot;6&quot;%20class=&quot;inlineimg&quot;%20/>opWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?racism01.wav=racism'))
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) prejudice or discrimination


Is that not what bluetrain was saying with his ridiculous characterization of Palestinians? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "brown" people?

Is that not what cdpatten was saying with his ridiculous slur against the Irish? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "white" people?

Where I come from, that kind of talk is considered racism, not merely nationalism - especially given the context that both remarks were made.

What is it when everyone on the board thinks you're an imbecile?

What is it when everyone on the board thinks you're an imbecile?I give up.What?

Hold your horses. Let's look at this scientifically and do away with the hype for once.
For a start, even as far back as ancient Greece, it was recognised there are differences between races and the same holds true for intelligence. However, before you collapse with shock and cry "racism" that doesn't mean to say I endorse the idea white people are more intelligent than black people.
In actual fact, we know the ancient Egyptians were black and we know ancient Egypt was a highly advanced society so when I state that intelligence can be determined by race, please don't quote me as saying whites are smarter than blacks.
At any rate, this does seem to me a classic case of State brainwashing where people have been misled by quackery the same way as people were told the earth was flat in the Middle Ages.
Just to simplify this matter, my dog is a border collie which makes it more intelligent than many other canines - it's common knowledge. By the same token, when I kept aquatic fish, I knew fishes such as Oscars were more intelligent than many other types of fish.
The same is true with respect to human beings whether the politicians like it or not. The fact is the politicians are not scientists and the self-professed scientists who have been promoting the idea there is no such thing as race or racial differences in humans and animals are literally taking us back to the Dark Ages at the expense of science.


From Webster's:

Main Entry: rac·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?racism01.wav=racism'))
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) prejudice or discrimination


Is that not what bluetrain was saying with his ridiculous characterization of Palestinians? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "brown" people?

Is that not what cdpatten was saying with his ridiculous slur against the Irish? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "white" people?

Where I come from, that kind of talk is considered racism, not merely nationalism - especially given the context that both remarks were made.

Nationalism isn't racism. As I said before, the ancient Greeks were highly nationalistic and nationalism was actively promoted.
What amazed me was how Ken Livingstone was boasting not so long ago about the Olympic Games in London representing multiculturalism as a legacy of the Greeks when, in actual fact, the Greeks only allowed other Greeks to attend the Games.
Despite that, the Greeks invented democracy and were a far more democratic society than any modern democracy we have today.
Sparta was the most nationalistic but never invaded other countries (apart from Messenia).



From Webster's:

Main Entry: rac·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?racism01.wav=racism'))
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) prejudice or discrimination


Is that not what bluetrain was saying with his ridiculous characterization of Palestinians? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "brown" people?

Is that not what cdpatten was saying with his ridiculous slur against the Irish? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "white" people?

Where I come from, that kind of talk is considered racism, not merely nationalism - especially given the context that both remarks were made.

"1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

So, do black runners run faster than white runners or not? Are Russians and Slavic peoples inherently stronger than Japanese?
Or are you saying the fact Ethiopian runners win so many medals just a stroke of luck?
As for Russia, when I lived there, I noticed the indigenous people were just naturally strong.


From Webster's:

Main Entry: rac·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?racism01.wav=racism'))
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/racial) prejudice or discrimination


Is that not what bluetrain was saying with his ridiculous characterization of Palestinians? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "brown" people?

Is that not what cdpatten was saying with his ridiculous slur against the Irish? Or was it OK because he didn't specify "white" people?

Where I come from, that kind of talk is considered racism, not merely nationalism - especially given the context that both remarks were made.

Racism, Carrera. Plain & simple.

Ha! :rolleyes: Seems like you don't have an answer to that question. :p
Other species of animals clearly differentiate in intelligence, according to racial characteristics. Some canines are more intelligent than other canines, for example.
With regard to people, some races or nations produce faster runners as a result of genetics.
When politicians tell us there is no such thing as race, they're making statements they're not qualified to make.

Racism, Carrera. Plain & simple.

Originally Posted by BillM
Millions?

Bullshit.

You need more medication.

In my opinion.

It is probably in the millions.

Don't believe anything you read in the mainstream media, see on TV or hear on the radio. Try to get your "news" from alternative sources.

Yes, millions - proving once again that fellow travellers BillM & wolfux are quite delusional.

- Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

...

Polling Data

When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Oct. 2006
May 2002

Telling the truth
16%
21%

Hiding something
53%
65%

Mostly lying
28%
8%

Not sure
3%
6%


Source: The New York Times / CBS News
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 983 American adults, conducted from Oct. 5 to Oct. 8, 2006. Margin of error is 4 per cent.

Complete Poll (PDF)

http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bradblog.com%2F%3Fp%3D3719

There is a difference between thinking the government is lying and the government being behind the attacks. A good question would be what percentage of the population thinks the government could have prevented the attacks and did not?

And the studies that get the percentages..... Where are the studies[polls] done? San Fran? Do they get a complete population average? And considering that it was the NY Times who released this poll does not give it any more validity then if Fox news released it.

I believe also the government did not release all the info they have on the attacks. I imagine there is info on the attacks that is classified. But to suggest that Bush knew that attacks were coming is insane.

Liberals make no sense. They do not want the government doing all they can to protect citizens, but they scream it is the administrations fault when attacks occur. They believe we can sit down and have a latte with anti-western culture terrorists and discuss our differences. They believe America is at the root of the world's problems and they hate the American way of life. In the meantime they are enjoying the fruits of American way of life...... Free speech and good incomes. They want America to be what they want it to be... However, the American process is that America chose Bush. And with the recent Democratic backlash at Kerry within his own party, America is speaking again.
Liberals assume that Americans are stupid. That we need them to show us the way.

They believe it is wrong that suspected terrorists are imprisoned, but they want anti-abortion protestors jailed.

But......dealing with this thread...here in the midwest, I have not heard one individual make the statement that Bush knew of, was behind, or could have prevented 9-11.

Let me guess: wolfux' latest post is:

1. some lame attempt to blame the polling methodology, or

2. another name-calling session, based on his incisive and way intelligent "psychoanalysis" that he learned from taking a Psych 101 class from Phoenix U's mail-order program, or

3. maybe just an outright: "it ain't true and you can't make me say it is! Nyeh Nyeh!"?

:rolleyes:

Let me guess: wolfux' latest post is:

1. some lame attempt to blame the polling methodology, orto respond,,,, I have not blamed the polling methodology.. I am pointing out that this poll does not say that millions of Americans think Bush was behind the 9-11 attacks. You have suggested this in the past. The poll does not even deal with "who was behind the attacks" but was dealing with the information the government has about the attacks. Big difference.

2. another name-calling session, based on his incisive and way intelligent "psychoanalysis" that he learned from taking a Psych 101 class from Phoenix U's mail-order program, or Interesting that you should bring up the university of Phoenix. Just last night we were discussing all the spam we get from this university. No, I have not taken the Psych 101 course there. I have taken the Pysch 101 course at Cornell in upstate NY. It was actually the first college credit I have. Those were good days.....

3. maybe just an outright: "it ain't true and you can't make me say it is! Nyeh Nyeh!"? I believe the poll. At least in the format the pollsters used. But the poll does not make the statement you want t make concerning Bush. You need to be able to connect the dots and not make irrational statements with data t that does not make the statements you claim.