Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism

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I think there are cases where a post needs moderating, maybe where personal insults are being swapped or bad language and stuff like that.
However, if it's just a fairly extreme view I don't really have a problem with that so long as the language is polite. I mean, even if someone wrote he believed women should stay in the kitchen and cook, it may upset loads of people but it's an opinion at the end of the day.


Wurm is not a liberal. Wurn is a angry anti-government individual who probably at one time in his life has some injustice done to him by the government. Or else his wife ran off with the local Republican canidate.

He is correct in one way though...... He should not be called a thief unless we have all the facts in. The forum is a public place to express opinions, not to post untrue things about individual posters. Names should not be used in this forum either.

Things to remember at the (American) polling place before pulling the lever or rather, utilizing the touch-screen ;)
>Things to remember on election day
>
>>Iraq
>> Abu Ghraib
>> Guantanamo
>> Unwarranted Phone Taps
>> Unprecedented Powers
>> Unmatched Incompetence
>> Unparalleled Corruption
>> Governor Bob Taft
>> Representative Tom Delay
>> Representative Roy Blunt
>> Representative Ken Calvert
>> Representative John Dolittle
>> Representative Tom Feeney
>> Representative Katherine Harris
>> Representative Jerry Lewis
>> Representative Gary Miller
>> Representative Marilyn Musgrave
>> Representative Richard Pombo
>> Representative Rick Renzi
>> Representative John Sweeney
>> Representative Charles Taylor
>> Representative Curt Weldon
>> Representative J.D. Hayworth
>> Representative Don Sherwood
>> Representative Bob Ney
>> Representative Duke Cunningham
>> Representative Tom Reynolds
>> Representative Chris Cannon
>> Jeff Gannon
>> Representative Mark Foley
>> Representative Dennis Hastert
>> Senator George Allen
>> Senator Bill Frist
>> Senator Conrad Burns
>> Senator Rick Santorum
>> David Safavian
>> The Vice Presidential Energy Task Force
>> Three bucks a gallon
>> Record oil company profits
>> Anwar Pipeline
>> Anbar Province
>> Adelphia
>> Merck
>> Halliburton
>> Arthur Anderson
>> Qwest
>> Tyco
>> WorldCom
>> Global Crossing
>> Global Warming
>> Global Boiling
>> Exxon
>> Enron
>> Abramoff
>> Adam Kidan
>> Timothy Flanigan
>> Ralph Reed
>> Rita
>> Katrina
>> Fema
>> Terri Schiavo
>> Condi
>> Harriet Miers
>> The Supreme Court
>> Diebold
>> John Bolton
>> Florida, 2000
>> Ohio, 2004
>> North Korea
>> Iran
>> Darfur
>> Stem Cell Research
>> Scooter Libby
>> Valerie Plame
>> Golden Parachutes
>> Shrunken Pensions
>> Bernie Kerik
>> Eminent Domain
>> Social Security
>> Habeas Corpus
>> Ahmad Chalabi
>> The Baghdad Museum
>> Tora Bora
>> Taliban Resurgence
>> Iraqi Insurgents
>> General Eric Shinseki
>> General Anthony Zinni
>> Mission Accomplished
>> Illegal Immigration
>>
>> Intelligent Design
>> Kenneth Tomlinson
>> Claude Allen
>> Swift Boat Hit Squads
>> Ari Fleischer
>> Scott McClellan
>> Tony Snow
>> Ann Coulter
>> Expiration of Assault Weapons Ban
>> John Ashcroft
>> Alberto Gonzales
>> George Tenet
>> Paul Bremer
>> Paul Wolfowitz
>> Richard Perle
>> Kissinger Redux
>> Duck Cheney
>> Donald Henry Rumsfeld
>> Turd Blossom
>>
>> ...and finally, the
>> Uniter-Decider-Reader of
>> Camus, Shakespeare and "My Pet
>> Goat," who describes the party
>> that successfully prosecuted
>> two world wars as people who
>> cut and run.

David that entire list is cancelled out when you think of the pussified wussies that the Dems continue to parade in front of the American voter.

Al Gore? Jeez.

John Kerry.....get serious.

Despite the hatred that Bush has stirred up.....the Dems will lose AGAIN if they don't stop promoting some of these losers.

This is my only gripe.
Wurm, as entertaining as your posts are on occasions, you spoil things by calling for other posters' views to be censored.
While most people probably back your right to state you believe Bush was behind 9/11 (which is a fairly radical view), you then seem to deny your opponents the same rights.
This kind of disqualifies you from being a "liberal". Here is where we part company if you believe in censorship - which is at odds with democratic values and a free society.
Posts should only be "moderated" in extreme cases not because you happen not to agree with something. ;)Well you're wrong again, Carrera. Racist tripe like that spewed from thebluetrain and cdpatten should not be tolerated here IMO. Insulting someone's heritage in the way that cdpatten did or engaging in race-baiting like thebluetrain did is unacceptable - at least to me. I would say that type of stuff is a far cry different from anyone that has given evidence or raised legitimate questions about BushCo's complicity in 9-11.

Once again, you're trying to connect two topics that are simply not congruent.

If you remember correctly, I was not the only one to point out bluetrain's redneck musings for the garbage that they were.

You are also apparently not aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical".

Well you're wrong again, Carrera. Racist tripe like that spewed from thebluetrain and cdpatten should not be tolerated here. I would say that type of stuff is a far cry different from anyone that has given evidence or raised questions about BushCo's complicity in 9-11.

You may not not be aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical". There are not millions of Americans who think the government had something to do with 9-11. I have not talked with anyone who thinks that. That concept is reserved for those who are heavily medicated.
The odds of pulling something like that off is immense. The logistics of it would require the silence of hundreds of people. In Washington , there is no such thing as a secret.
The internet has gave the "crazy idea people" a forum , and allows them to feel their views are mainstream.

Well you're wrong again, Carrera. Racist tripe like that spewed from thebluetrain and cdpatten should not be tolerated here. I would say that type of stuff is a far cry different from anyone that has given evidence or raised questions about BushCo's complicity in 9-11.

You may not not be aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical".
Millions?

Bullshit.

You need more medication.

In my opinion. :o

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You are also apparently not aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical".
That is a rather high estimate although I, myself, would not put it beneath this admin. to look the other way so that they could realize their project for a new american century PNAC Militarily imperialistic tendencies (getting poor folk to die on the battlefield so you can fill your oil-buisiness buddies coffer's w/ new oil contracts & no-bid reconstruction contracts under the guise of making the world a better place:mad: First he was against "nation-building" & now he has spent $380,000,000,000, 'off-budget" (read-"not paid for") FOR nation-building. Which is it :confused:
Here is a list of the signatories to the PNAC:
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
Regardless of its aims, these signatories should raise eyebrows.

David that entire list is cancelled out when you think of the pussified wussies that the Dems continue to parade in front of the American voter.

Al Gore? Jeez.

John Kerry.....get serious.

Despite the hatred that Bush has stirred up.....the Dems will lose AGAIN if they don't stop promoting some of these losers.
Criminal or incompetent actions should not be rewarded. Do you agree :confused:

Millions?

Bullshit.

You need more medication.

In my opinion. :o

It is probably in the millions.

Don't believe anything you read in the mainstream media, see on TV or hear on the radio. Try to get your "news" from alternative sources.

It is probably in the millions.

Don't believe anything you read in the mainstream media, see on TV or hear on the radio. Try to get your "news" from alternative sources.


I would agree with your statement about the media and add the internet also.

I would agree with your statement about the media and add the internet also.
The difference being that in the MSM everyone is suckling from the same teat, and on the internet differing viewpoints can be found.

The problem is in the way that we "learn". When we are exposed to new or different info, we compare it to all the other info (or misinformation as the case may be) stored in our heads. Then if the new data is consistent with what we already "know", we believe it. If not, then we conclude it must not be true. It can be very difficult for people to change their minds about something, particularly if it threatens their sense of security. Add to that, there are lots of people out there who would rather believe a lie as long as it is a comforting lie, rather than have to think.

The difference being that in the MSM everyone is suckling from the same teat, and on the internet differing viewpoints can be found.

The problem is in the way that we "learn". When we are exposed to new or different info, we compare it to all the other info (or misinformation as the case may be) stored in our heads. Then if the new data is consistent with what we already "know", we believe it. If not, then we conclude it must not be true. It can be very difficult for people to change their minds about something, particularly if it threatens their sense of security. Add to that, there are lots of people out there who would rather believe a lie as long as it is a comforting lie, rather than have to think.


Also consider that everything you hear or see or read is not necessarily a complete lie or the complete truth.

I would agree with your statement about the media and add the internet also.I've said the same thing as bulaboy many times here. For instance: the MSM were told not to show the bodies of dead US servicemen coming back from Iraq & A'stan, and they've gone along with it instead of digging for the truth as is their job. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perl...that old crew from the Nixon days learned the lesson from Vietnam: not to show the Merkun public the real results of their warmongering on TV, lest it be halted by the People.

david is also right about the PNAC'ers. Here's their website: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Also consider that everything you hear or see or read is not necessarily a complete lie or the complete truth.
Good point.

Let's be clear: Racism is when you look down on other people or consider other people inferior just because they're dark-skinned or have oriental features e.t.c. That's not something I condone.
Nationalism is another kettle of fish. Myself, I'm not a racist by any means but I am nationalistic in the sense I don't believe in mass, liberal, open-door immigration and believe putting your own people first, working for a decent minimum wage, rather than importing cheap, slave labour and creating a sweatshop economy.
The trouble is, when you oppose all this mass immigration, people accuse you of racism as an easy option.

Well you're wrong again, Carrera. Racist tripe like that spewed from thebluetrain and cdpatten should not be tolerated here IMO. Insulting someone's heritage in the way that cdpatten did or engaging in race-baiting like thebluetrain did is unacceptable - at least to me. I would say that type of stuff is a far cry different from anyone that has given evidence or raised legitimate questions about BushCo's complicity in 9-11.

Once again, you're trying to connect two topics that are simply not congruent.

If you remember correctly, I was not the only one to point out bluetrain's redneck musings for the garbage that they were.

You are also apparently not aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical".

I didn't agree with the way Bluetrain tarnished all Palestinians with the same brush so I agree, in all cases, you have to be careful about over-generalising.
However, what gets up my nose is when certain groups of people or certain ideologies appear to be "open game" and, in such cases, nobody calls for such and such a person to be banned or censored in the media.
Clearly there are some strange double standards going on in society.
Here's an example:
I can't figure out why the BBC, when reporting from Iran, have their presenters dressed in Middle Eastern guise, the female reporters wearing headscarves and flowing dresses. Then, when the BBC reports from the U.S.A., the reporters don't wear a 10 gallon hat! Neither do they wear skull caps when reporting from Telaviv.
Kind of stange.
So, why do reporters have to wear different clothes when reporting from Iran or even about Iran?
Another point is why is it not racism if Ken Livingstone insults, say, Jews or Americans or the Welsh since, to my mind, he's behaving no better than the BNP.
Final point: How come a woman on an airline can't wear a tiny crucifix and loses her job but other airline workers can whatever religious symbols or clothes they desire?


Well you're wrong again, Carrera. Racist tripe like that spewed from thebluetrain and cdpatten should not be tolerated here IMO. Insulting someone's heritage in the way that cdpatten did or engaging in race-baiting like thebluetrain did is unacceptable - at least to me. I would say that type of stuff is a far cry different from anyone that has given evidence or raised legitimate questions about BushCo's complicity in 9-11.

Once again, you're trying to connect two topics that are simply not congruent.

If you remember correctly, I was not the only one to point out bluetrain's redneck musings for the garbage that they were.

You are also apparently not aware, but there are millions of Americans and others around the world who believe the US gov't had much to do with 9-11. That does not qualify in my book as "fairly radical".

The use of the word racism is so over used that it really has stopped being effective today. Nationalism is entirely different, but the two can be tied to each other.
I see nothing wrong with nationalism. I believe in taking care of your own first. But let'd be real about this.... The USA is dependent on immigration. The anti-illegal immigration movement is this country {USA} smacks more of racism then it does of nationalism .
The same people that scream that they want illegal immigration stopped are the same people that line up to purchase the services of illegal immigrants. They want the services, they just don't want to see "dirty Mexicans" providing it. I have seen this so often it makes me want to laugh.

Personally I think the labor unions need to start organizing the legal immigrants.

I can't figure how come Bush rushed out in his pyjamas when America came under attack. If he already knew the attack was going to happen, how come he didn't hide in his bunker before the planes were heading in his direction?
I admit Bush probably exploited 9/11 for his own objectives but the idea he was involved in 9/11 is as crazy a theory as the one about Nero playing the lyre while Rome burned.

There are not millions of Americans who think the government had something to do with 9-11. I have not talked with anyone who thinks that. That concept is reserved for those who are heavily medicated.
The odds of pulling something like that off is immense. The logistics of it would require the silence of hundreds of people. In Washington , there is no such thing as a secret.
The internet has gave the "crazy idea people" a forum , and allows them to feel their views are mainstream.