Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism

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really? why have you hidden it under a bushel all this time? :D
A good question! ;)

Is that going to get you guys anywhere, though? By that I mean, Wurm is kind of eaten up by his hatred which, in turn, has the effect of making the lukewarm Bush supporters go on to defend Bush - just to wind one or two people up.
It seems fairly clear Bush has had his fingers burned and so has the whole Administration. I think Bush now knows the whole policy in Iraq was a mistake and so I imagine we'll be seeing Hilary in office.
As for personal hate, life is too short for that. I believe you're not gonna convert people to your way of thinking by hatred which is kind of a destructive emotion.

really? why have you hidden it under a bushel all this time? :D


i hate Bush too...i hate the man on a personal level, i hate the politician and the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan and the arrogance and ignorance of his adminstratorship.

One of these days, someone is going to play a practical joke on Wurm and play the part of an active Bushite online with a pic of Junior for his (or her) avatar. It would be Wurm's alter ego - an exact opposite. Even better - if someone actually pretends to be Junior himself and enters the soapbox. :D

It’s funny, Wurm and I both don’t care for bush, but for reasons on the opposite end of the spectrum. For example, Campaign Finance Reform is outrageous (I’m sure Wurm likes it). The Bush Medicare bills are equally outrageous (but again Wurm I’m sure you like the big spending laws). ICANN is going to be an international body, again outrageous. I don’t like that he is letting congressman William Jefferson democrat Louisiana off the hook for getting over 90k in kickbacks… all because congress doesn’t want the police to be able to search their office even with a warrant. I don’t however fault Bush for trying to make us more secure by going to war with Afghanistan or even Iraq.

Our expression of dislike of bush is different of course, as different as a conservative and liberal. For example this is my first post on the topic, and from the looks of it Wurm you are crying about this all the time. I am controlled and not emotional about my dislike, but then again I come from a working family and have had to work very hard for what I have today. Wurm’s blind diehard passion typically goes along with youth or adults “fortunate” enough to have had parents who handed things/life to them. In other words, experts in theory, rookies in practice.

Now onto the issue at hand.


"Under the terrifying terms of the radical new Military Commissions Act, Bush can declare anyone--including you--an "unlawful enemy combatant," a term that doesn't exist in U.S. or international law. All he has to do is sign a piece of paper claiming that you "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States." The law's language is brilliantly vague, allowing the president to imprison--for the rest of his or her life--anyone, including a U.S. citizen, from someone who makes a contribution to a group he disapproves of to a journalist who criticizes the government.”


Wurm you seem to take great offense with the above notion. And frankly to the dull or uninitiated conspiracy types, it sounds very scary. And yes I will concede, in the wrong hands (bill clinton for example) this has the potential to be very dangerous. Keep in mind none of the Bush administration members are mysteriously dying in plane crashes or committing suicide before they go to trial to testify against him… those were the Clinton staffers.


Getting back to the term at issue. “unlawful combatant” is a term that exists in US law, it is from 1942 when the supreme court ruled on Ex Parete Quirin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Parte_Quirin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Parte_Quirin)). I believe the actually phrase in its entirety was introduced by the house in March of 2005 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1076.IH: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1076.IH)). Its funny the article uses a phrase it got from a law and then says it doesn’t exist in law… funny right? Silly liberals... you guys will say anything.


Maybe you would prefer the bush administration call the enemy “super bad meanies”? Seriously, if your side is taking issue with the actual words then you’re a fool and need to get a girlfriend/boyfriend (whatever your preference). You have way to much time on your hands. If you take issue with the powers given to the president you should take issue with congress, and the MANY democrats that voted to give bush these powers alongside their republican counterparts. The Bush administration was given the above powers by congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant)).


Now let’s talk about these “horrible” powers bush has. But first let me bring up another historical figure (aside from your friend Hitler). You may have (maybe you haven’t) heard of one the greatest US presidents, his name was Abraham Lincoln and he is the REPUBLICAN who ended slavery in the United States. He did this by taking the nation to war against itself, because he recognized that the enemy was coming from within (in this case much of the south). As a tool to win the war he suspended Habeas Corpus in 1861. I know, I know you, you don’t know what that is, but its very important and a corner stone of the US legal system. (read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus))


That is quite a drastic measure to take against all Americans wasn’t it? Did it last forever? No. Was it necessary to win a war? Yes. I know I’m glad with the results, no more slavery, are you? I know my Muslim friends are going to be happy when people don’t look at them and say terrorist, but they also recognize that before this happens we need to stop the terrorists! It’s amazing you are having trouble with this notion. I actually think you do get it, and your just scarred we might lose. So I’m sorry that you don’t have the testicular fortitude to fight, but history will show us that the isolationist approach and just appeasing doesn’t always work (RE: World War II, North Korea, etc. etc.).


Now onto your silly theories about republicans stealing elections. Do some research. Gore wanted to throw out 1000s of servicemen and women votes during the 2000 Florida fight (he went to court to try). Why? Because the military is historically republican and it would hurt his chances. After the election the Sunshine law was in effect and after full recounts by liberal papers Bush still won. Yikes! With the next election any doubt or confusion about the population putting him in office ended when bush was clearly RE-ELECTED.

As for fraud. Democrats (not republicans) across the country have been caught using deceased people in various counties as voters in almost every major election during the past 12 years. This is not just my opinion, this is fact. Do a quick google search and you will see it… even the NY Times has reported on it. Stopping fraudulent voters is a republican agenda not democratic one. The republicans are the ones who want picture IDs to stop multiple votes, illegal aliens from voting, or deceased voters voting. The democrats are the ones who are against stopping the fraud. We can speculate why the minority wants to get in fraudulent votes, but I think we both know the answer.


Republicans aren’t stealing the elections, you people are (fortunately) just the minority. That is why your “evil” Fox News Channel ratings crush the other two networks combined. The majority of people in the country don’t agree with you. They agree with me. And they should, who wants to be wrong or on the wrong side of history? Not me, that’s why I disagree with you.


Maybe your friends agree with you, but you just don’t have enough to matter. You need to let it go. All your anger and hatred doesn't matter 1 cent, and at the end of the day you are just hurting yourself mentally and physically. In the scope of things you are a nobody and always will be, so just enjoy life, have fun, and every couple of years vote for whoever seems most like stallin. Seriously though, maybe bill was correct and you should look into prozac, or just get laid once and a while. You seem like a really angry guy.


As for me, I'm off to go to the gym... I plan on enjoying my day here in cold boston, ma.


-C

PS
I hear the Bush administration is confident they are going to win next month. Step off ledge Wurm.. don't do it man. don't jump!!!

CD....LOL, Dont wate your time being a member of the cycling forums underground resistance. The opposition army is led by Limerikman. Eventually Vice president Wurm will drive you over the edge and Lim will threaten to blow you up. Put on your raincoat because right now your being surrounded by the left wing circle jerk. Thebluetrain is stll cleaning himself up after the last blast by Lims army of rainbow shirt wearing socialists.

CD....LOL, Dont wate your time being a member of the cycling forums underground resistance. Why do we torment ourselves Bill? :)
Is it the same enjoyable frustration of solving a puzzle?

Or do we entertain ourselves by seeing what the nutcake(s) will copy & paste next from the conspiracy theory blogs? :)

Oh well....anyway I did my absentee ballott last night just to make sure my vote will be in process before November. (translation for the conspiracy theorist - Felt_Rider just mailed his ballott which is good for at least 100 GOP votes and a reduction of at least 100 Democratic votes)

Why do we torment ourselves Bill? :)
Is it the same enjoyable frustration of solving a puzzle?

Or do we entertain ourselves by seeing what the nutcake(s) will copy & paste next from the conspiracy theory blogs? :)

Oh well....anyway I did my absentee ballott last night just to make sure my vote will be in process before November. (translation for the conspiracy theorist - Felt_Rider just mailed his ballott which is good for at least 100 GOP votes and a reduction of at least 100 Democratic votes) Thank god for the internet conspiracy websites... they keep guys like Wurm off the streeets and in their mother's basement where they belong.

If he truly believes that the evil Republicans are going to suspend the Costitution and take over the streets in a military way, would'nt he be afraid he would be subject to their evil because of his internet postings?

Maybe he considers himself a Patriot......

Wurm ..... big Brother is watching you ..... yeah.... Right now.....

One thing I noticed is that Boogers seems to have been missing for a while. he was Wurm's number one commander in chief.

If you look at the hours of Wurms posts , it looks like he never sleeps. Either that or he has a team of basement dwelling loosers with the same email doing cut and paste articles from left wing websites. The team is instructed to never answer a direct question , and when confused just go on a rant about Dick Cheney and Haliburton. The reality is that He is more likely to be a trust fund baby that rather than live up to the shadow that his daddy cast, he chooses to be a communist nut job that spends too many hours dominating the soapbox of a cycling forum........Hey no circle jerk yet maybe I cann take off my raincoat

Hmmm, but Wurm cycles so he does. We know that much. Wurm may very well be running a one man campaign but in between he appears to ride his bike diligently. :)

If you look at the hours of Wurms posts , it looks like he never sleeps. Either that or he has a team of basement dwelling loosers with the same email doing cut and paste articles from left wing websites. The team is instructed to never answer a direct question , and when confused just go on a rant about Dick Cheney and Haliburton. The reality is that He is more likely to be a trust fund baby that rather than live up to the shadow that his daddy cast, he chooses to be a communist nut job that spends too many hours dominating the soapbox of a cycling forum........Hey no circle jerk yet maybe I cann take off my raincoat

You said
I think Bush now knows the whole policy in Iraq was a mistake and so I imagine we'll be seeing Hilary in office.

Bush's policy in Iraq was/is not a mistake. The "war" is the vehicle by which he and his handlers take your/my money out of the US treasury and funnel it into the corporations that make them all obcenely rich(er).

You said
I think Bush now knows the whole policy in Iraq was a mistake and so I imagine we'll be seeing Hilary in office.

Bush's policy in Iraq was/is not a mistake. The "war" is the vehicle by which he and his handlers take your/my money out of the US treasury and funnel it into the corporations that make them all obcenely rich(er)...............Said the moonbat

Phil Bredesen for president 2008!

Phil Bredesen for president 2008!"Preceded by Bill Boner as Mayor of Nashville,TE".
That must have been a "hard" act to follow.
:D

"Preceded by Bill Boner as Mayor of Nashville,TE".
That must have been a "hard" act to follow.
:D


He won't run in 2008, but I think he would be a good candidate.He will undoubtedly be re-elected governor over his republican rival.

CD....LOL, Dont wate your time being a member of the cycling forums underground resistance. The opposition army is led by Limerikman. Eventually Vice president Wurm will drive you over the edge and Lim will threaten to blow you up. Put on your raincoat because right now your being surrounded by the left wing circle jerk. Thebluetrain is stll cleaning himself up after the last blast by Lims army of rainbow shirt wearing socialists.LOL, classic. :D

It’s funny, Wurm and I both don’t care for bush,...For example, Campaign Finance Reform is outrageous (I’m sure Wurm likes it).

That's right, reform is needed. What's outrageous is continuing to allow the monied interests to corrupt the campaigns and the politicians.

2 words for ya: Abramoff. Delay.

The Bush Medicare bills are equally outrageous (but again Wurm I’m sure you like the big spending laws).

Wrong. Not when the people in need are getting screwed instead of getting truly affordable health care. The Bush/Repig Medicare scheme is a disgusting and shameful blot on the country.

[QUOTE=cdpatten]I don’t like that he is letting congressman William Jefferson democrat Louisiana off the hook for getting over 90k in kickbacks…

Want to talk about kickbacks? How about a few that are slightly more important AND relevant such as: Cheney's from Halliburton, KBR/Halliburton swallowing up billions with nothing to show for it in Iraq, billions missing under Paul Bremer...let's see...

OH yeah...umm...Jack Abramoff. Tom Delay. Bob Ney. Corporate welfare for Big Oil at a time of record profits, not to mention welfare for timber, defense, Big Pharma. Et cetera. And so on.

Gee, I need to rest a minute from typing...

I don’t however fault Bush for trying to make us more secure by going to war with Afghanistan or even Iraq.

Now that would be really funny, if it weren't so tragic for the 100's of thousands that have suffered needlessly - all based on lies & deceit.

You should sort out your standards of 'blame'.

... and from the looks of it Wurm you are crying about this all the time.

Exposing the truth about Der Chimpenfuhrer and his partners in crime IS what it IS: exposing the truth.


I am controlled and not emotional about my dislike, but then again I come from a working family and have had to work very hard for what I have today. Wurm’s blind diehard passion typically goes along with youth or adults “fortunate” enough to have had parents who handed things/life to them. In other words, experts in theory, rookies in practice.

In other words, you have not the slightest idea of what you're talking about. When it comes to my background you couldn't be more wrong, but you think your "working-class hero" speech gives you credibility? Nope. Big deal, you gotta work. So does 95% of the rest of the planet. Do you expect someone to pin a medal on ya?

Here...let me go find more straws for you to grasp at. :rolleyes:

Now onto the issue at hand.

Ah finally!! The thick plottens! *drumroll...*





[QUOTE=cdpatten]Wurm you seem to take great offense with the above notion...And yes I will concede, in the wrong hands (bill clinton for example) this has the potential to be very dangerous.

Anyone in their right mind would take great offense at this travesty of long-standing Western law. I would say anyone that does NOT find the MC Act "scary" in anyone's hands IS quite dull - such as yourself.

I fail to see how you can equate Clinton with the well-known and documented crimes committed thus far by Bu$hCo, which are much more heinous than anything Clinton ever did. Not even the hard right attempts to claim Clinton was a war criminal, because he wasn't/isn't. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Bush admin ARE war criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al are as guilty as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Pinochet, etc.

How can anyone with a conscience defend those crimes, or pretend to look the other way?? The truth is you can't.

It's the usual "Blame Clinton" canard that your ilk typically hurls when you have no excuse for the Repigs. *YAWN* You should get over Clinton, it's been 6 years or more.

In the hands of the Bu$hCo fruitcakes the MC Act is a slaughter waiting to happen - and it will happen covertly, secretly, with lies manufactured for public consumption just as has everything else they've done. Bu$hCo has proven what they're capable of many times over, we don't need to see any more. Even staunch conservatives like George Will and Bill Buckley have come out against these thugs.

We've seen how under Bu$hCo, peaceful protesters have been beaten, arrested, and locked up. The right of peaceful protest is a Right under the Constitution, but that hasn't stopped the Neo Cons. There has also been many unexplained or suspicious deaths of various journalists and reporters in Iraq, but only those that were critical of the war or the US conduct in it. But now with the MC Act they can "legally" imprison anyone that "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.", do you think they won't do it? All they have to claim is that some reporter, writer, broadcaster, protester, political enemy, whistleblower, or just anyone they don't like is "hostile" to US interests and they've got their green light to grab people off the street.

Not ONLY that, but you'll get no finding of guilt in a court of law. You'll just disappear.

The MC Act was written by Bu$hCo to try to consolidate their power, instill domestic fear in the US citizenry as well as abroad, and as further cover for their blatant war crimes. Period.

It's too bad you can't face up to that, but choose to allow yourself to be led down the garden path. Seriously, knowing what has already transpired under the Bush regime, how can you be so focking gullible?

Keep in mind none of the Bush administration members are mysteriously dying in plane crashes or committing suicide before they go to trial to testify against him...

How many years and how many 10's of millions of taxpayer's cash were wasted on trying to "get" Clinton, and all they got was a jizz stain on a blue dress. Brilliant!

When it comes to mysterious plane crashes and other skullduggery, I think you might look at the Paul Wellstone crash, the anthrax letters to Senators Daschle and Leahy, the death of David Pearl, among other mysteries...

...and BTW, where's Osama?? Probably surfacing in the next few weeks before the elections, eh? Or maybe he's gone back to that hospital in Dubai - with his CIA escort and American doctor - for more treatment?

Getting back to the term at issue. “unlawful combatant” is a term that exists in US law, it is from 1942 when the supreme court ruled on Ex Parete Quirin ([/font][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Parte_Quirin"]

Yes, let's get back to that, shall we? Using your link above, we see that the 1942 law does not use the term "unlawful enemy combatant" as its primary or encompassing term. In fact, that term is not used at all. That is the term that the author quoted as part of the MC Act that Bu$hCo has written.

It uses "lawful" and "unlawful" combatants:

"…the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants."

...it mentions "enemy combatants":

"...or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents..."

...but not "unlawful enemy combatant". Therefore, you're not so clever as you thought you were. :confused:

Now, leave it to the Bush team of "quaint"-thinking attorneys to convolute that 1942 law to mean any "terrorist" or "combatant" that has not yet been found to be unlawful. You see, THAT'S where the problem lies - Bu$hCo can deem anyone "unlawful" WITHOUT first:

"...subject[ing] to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful."

...or without finding them:

"...to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals."

They do NOT have to extend habeas corpus to anyone under this new "law". This means you get no "trial and punishment by military tribunals", you just get the punishment part - cuz BUSH says so.

Case closed.

Silly liberals... you guys will say anything.

No, some of us will say the truth, something that you're too simple-minded or brainwashed to acknowledge.

Lincoln suspending habeas was illegal and unconstitutional. Period. Many historians and legal scholars STILL comdemn him for that. This is supposed to be a nation of laws, not men. Ever heard that the end doesn't justify the means? Ponder that while you're watching Fux News.

BTW - Lincoln was REPUBLICAN by the label, but he was much more aligned with liberal or progressive policies than what later became known as "Republican" policies. So please, stop masturbating your mind with that.

Fux has more viewers than what, 2 other stations? Means nothing. :rolleyes: Look at Chimpy's poll numbers from nearly every legitmate pollster. His numbers are in the toilet, have been for quite awhile, and the Repigs know it. But of course, you won't hear about that on Fux. DUH!!

You should try to engage what little you have left of your brain before inserting foot in mouth.

Insanity. It's fun to watch but sad nonetheless.

Art, Worm, whatever your name is, you seem to be under the delusion that because YOU say something its true. I’m concerned about you… you really don’t seem stable. On top of that you fill this forum with insults, rants, raves, but don't use credited sources, well actually, any sources for that matter. You are a very angry man Art, you should seek help.

For the sake of discussion let me give you a hypothetical of how you make stuff up. If I were to say "Wurm likes to sodomize sheep during Ramadan" it doesn't make it true. Granted you may fantasize about it, but we can be honest here, you don't even know when Ramadan is. If you happen to be with a farm animal during Ramadan, you just got lucky. You do it enough you will eventually hit the mark.

This is kind of how you debate. Your strategy is to say enough "words" and assume that something is bound to have some truth in it, something is going to stick. The funny part is then you start to believe your rant based on that assumption! You say "who cares" about Fox News beating only 2 networks, but there are only 3 major cable news networks here in the US. So in other words Fox beets all the competition combined. That’s significant.

That aside, the bottom line is this; You don’t use facts. You just tout talking points from BLOGS, and often times show your lack of comprehension by touting them in the wrong context. We are all proud of you for sounding out the words on some blog, but it has no value to the rest us during a debate. So I want ask you with complete sincerity, step out from behind the goat, and back up your rant (or rhetorical questions) below with facts.

I’m talking about FACTS, not opinion quoting some OPED piece in a blog somewhere. Give us links to the source so we can verify your rant. I’m not looking to read something from your bother-father. I want a real source. Back it up man. Because the way it looks to the rest of us is its more likely you are banging Gladice the cow then the CIA is treating Osama in Dubai.

...and BTW, where's Osama?? Probably surfacing in the next few weeks before the elections, eh? Or maybe he's gone back to that hospital in Dubai - with his CIA escort and American doctor - for more treatment?

thebluetrain gets a wrist slap for pasting an article regarding the "condition" in Palastine. Lim calls it racist . So far Wurm hates Republicans, Neo cons, Christians and therefore the constitution as written and 99% of its authors , Fox news and all of the red states. Has Isreal now made Wurms "I hate" list?? Bushs support of Isreal and subsiquent Middle East wars because of its support for Isreal .(according to Bin Laden) Is Wurm the latest Jew hater memeber of the elite left?..............Bush a Nazi?......Didnt the Nazis kind of hate the jews?.. Geeze I am confused